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Feb 22, 2005
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That is one issue that has not come up before, how to deal with the rights of individuals who would post a video on youtube and whose responsilbity that would be. In the US, it is a private company and it has nothing to do with government (regardless if a group helps behind the scene secretly). In the muslim countries where almost all, except perhaps 1, is dictatorship, government controls everything. It was just before time that the 2 clash.

Behrroz jAn,

It is the intention that I criticize.

I had no problem with mohammad cartoons and i supported the reprint as well. Muslims in western Europe are really being nuisance, they are going as far as trying to change legal code of the land to their liking, so once in while a warning to them is favored and constructive.

But we don't have that problem here in U.S (yet) and IMV these 2 guys behind the movie have gone through this task and expense just for one purpose, "make them look bad". That is not constructive, it is evil.

When we were in high school there were few people who would get mad and agitated if we said certain word because they claimed they hated it. There was a guy who hated "Tomato" we used to bunch up on him and shout Tomato, Tomato, Tomato and he would chase us and trow rocks on us. A child play.
 
Feb 22, 2005
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The same way that Iranian SOB hezbolahis and Akhoonds and their SOB supporters dont represent the will of the Iranian people, it will be ignorant to think the actions of the few represent the will of all the people of Libya or Egypt.

The SOB Islamic fundamentalist will use any excuse and situation to poor into the street to strengthen their leaders, or make opportunity for themselves, or take their frustration or angers out, or are dumb sheep just following without using their brain. We all help we could eradicate these disease, virus, but that would create other problems.
 
Feb 22, 2005
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Baba, these guys dont even believe in democracy here in the US and only want right for a small group of people, the well-to-do. A democracy is where a government is elected by people and sets rules that is good for the country and not for a very few.

As one of your heros during the tour of Abu Gharib prison said; Democracy is messy. One has to be naive to expect full fledged democracy in a country that has not practiced it ever, in a matter of a year or two.
I know you prefer to see Hosni Mubarak as President for life. I know you like the type of Iraq foreign policy of course you do not approve of Egypt's and Libya's achievements.
 
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has any one seen the video? Can you pm me the link or share it? I am curious to see how bad it was. Honestly, violence is not the answer to any insult no matter how bad it is. A civil society should follow the available civilized solutions. this is bad for all moslems. Even prophet himself did not resort to violence against those who insulted him.
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mashdi

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims

Innocence of Muslims

Innocence of Muslims, previously called Desert Warriors and Innocence of Bin Laden, is a 2012 anti-Muslim film about Muhammad. The trailers for the film, after they were dubbed into Arabic, were cited during the attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions on September 11, 2012. One of these attacks was the storming of the United States Embassy in Cairo, Egypt. The other attacks were in Benghazi, Libya and were primarily directed at the United States consulate, which suffered at least four deaths of U.S. diplomatic personnel, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

Production

The independent film was produced and directed by a person first identified in casting calls as "Alan Roberts", and then in media reports "Sam Bacile", initially described as a 56-year-old (52 years old according to the Wall Street Journal) real estate developer from Israel who spoke by phone with the Associated Press. Israeli authorities found no evidence that he is an Israeli citizen, and there is no evidence of a Sam Bacile around 50 years old living in California or having a real estate license or participating in Hollywood filmmaking. Though "Bacile" claimed the film had been made for $5 million from more than 100 Jewish donors, Hollywood Reporter described the film's appearance as unprofessional, bringing this claim into doubt. The film's self-identified consultant, Steve Klein, reportedly told Bacile: "You're going to be the next Theo van Gogh." Klein later told journalist Jeffrey Goldberg that Bacile is not a real person and is not Israeli or Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is a pseudonym for about fifteen Copts and Evangelical Christians from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, and Egypt. Goldberg questions the reliability of Klein. According to a man who identified himself to the Wall Street Journal as Bacile, the film was produced to call attention to what he called the "hypocrisies" of Islam.

Personnel

On September 12, 2012, Time reported that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a Coptic Christian in Los Angeles, admitted being the manager for the film's production, but denied being Sam Bacile.The Associated Press interviewed Nakoula at his home after finding evidence connecting Nakoula to Bacile, including sharing a phone number and Nakoula previously using aliases such as Nicola Bacily.In 2010, Nakoula pled no contest to bank fraud, and was ordered to pay nearly $800,000 in restitution, was sentenced to 21 months in prison and is forbidden from using the Internet for five years. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula was released from prison June 2011. According to Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams, Nakoula opened bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers, and deposited checks from those accounts so Nakoula would withdraw money at ATM machines.

The cast and crew have publicly stated that they were deceived about the purpose and content of the film. In a statement obtained by CNN, the film's 80 cast and crew members disavowed the film, they said: "The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose." It further explained, "We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred." Cindy Lee Garcia, who played the mother of Muhammad's bride-to-be, said the script for a movie called Desert Warriors, about life in Egypt 2,000 years ago, and that the character "Muhammad" was referred to as "Mister George" on set. According to Garcia, "Bacile" claimed to be an Israeli real estate mogul. Later, however, he told her he was Egyptian, and she heard him speaking in Arabic with other men on set. Garcia was stunned to find out that the film was actually an anti-Muslim agitprop piece, and that "it makes me sick" that she was involved in a film that caused people to die. She is considering legal action against "Bacile."

The overdubbing permitted the film's director to deceive the cast into taking part in the movie under the pretense that it was about the life of a generic Egyptian from 2,000 years ago. Sarah Abdurrahman, a producer for WNYC's On the Media program stated that all of the religious references were overdubbed.

Screening, promotion and reactions

A screenshot from the video, in which Muhammad is portrayed as speaking to a donkey which he calls "the first Muslim animal" before kissing the poorly-veiled woman pixelized at right, was broadcast on the Egyptian TV station Al-Nas

On June 23 the movie was screened once under the name, "Innocence of Bin Laden," to an audience of under 10 at The Vine Theater, which rents space for private screenings, on Hollywood Boulevard. According to one attendee, "The acting was of the worst caliber," and "had no inkling that that movie was anti-Islamic and did not recall the movie referencing the prophet Mohammad," but he did not see the whole film.

The film has been promoted by Terry Jones. Media reporting of Jones' burning of Qurans previously led to deadly riots around the world. Jones said on 11 September 2012 that he planned to show a 13-minute trailer that night at his church the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida. "It is an American production, not designed to attack Muslims but to show the destructive ideology of Islam," he said in a statement. "The movie further reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad."

In July 2012, a 14-minute excerpt from the English-language film was posted on YouTube. By September the movie had been dubbed into Arabic and was brought to the attention of the Arabic-speaking world by Coptic blogger Morris Sadek whose Egyptian citizenship had been revoked for promoting calls for an attack on Egypt. Muslim leaders criticized the film's depiction of Muhammad.The Daily Telegraph reported that it portrayed Muhammad as an advocate of pedophilia and a homosexual, and also showed him having sex.

According to a Cairo newspaper, the film was denounced by the leader of an Egyptian political party, also the US Embassy in Cairo issued a statement condemning what it called "continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims," an apparent reference to the video.During the same day a two-minute excerpt dubbed in Arabic was broadcast by Sheikh Khaled[28] on Al-Nas, an Egyptian television station. In the excerpt, the actor playing Muhammad called a donkey "the first Muslim animal". Time attributed the scene, depicting Muhammad having a homoerotic, one-sided conversation with a donkey.

U.S. Libyan diplomatic mission attacks

Main article: 2012 U.S. diplomatic missions attacks

The Arabic version of the film was cited as the alleged reason for several September 11 attacks on U.S. embassies in the Arab world, although reports have arisen that purport to indicate that the attacks were Al Quaeda planned and carried out under the cover of locally incited riots.The embassies in Cairo and Benghazi were both attacked, with the Benghazi attack reported to have resulted in the death of ambassador Christopher Stevens. Including three other American diplomats .There is presently some confusion whether Stevens was killed in the Tuesday attack or in a separate rocket attack on his motorcade as it fled the city early Wednesday morning.

Afghanistan decided to censor YouTube; president Hamid Karzai said the makers of the film committed a "devilish act". Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi urged the United States government on Tuesday to prosecute the 'madmen' behind the video." The Iranian Foreign Ministry condemned the film as "an insult to sacred Muslim figures" while criticizing the response of the United States government.

Several news services have reported that Bacile has gone into hiding fearing that current actions could be used as an excuse to harm him, and that he continues to defend the film.Saying he was sorry for the death of Stevens, Bacile blamed the consulate's security system.

The day following the attacks, YouTube announced that it had "temporarily restricted access" to the video in Egypt and Libya.
 
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The idiot, right-wing Judeo-Christian elements keep insulting Islam and everything Muslim, and the idiots on the other side take the bait every fu@king time. Muslims should retaliate by making a mockumentary about Jesus, Moses, and all the other imaginary historical characters. Speaking of a ba$tard, unknown father, ... Never mind!
 

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#51
The idiot, right-wing Judeo-Christian elements keep insulting Islam and everything Muslim, and the idiots on the other side take the bait every fu@king time. Muslims should retaliate by making a mockumentary about Jesus, Moses, and all the other imaginary historical characters. Speaking of a ba$tard, unknown father, ... Never mind!
Yes, but the point is making a movie about Jesus being a bastard or Moses being whatever is not much of a retaliation because no one this side is crazy enough to care. It will be a mute point to make.

No one would have heard of this film or seen it if these people hadn't acted the way they did. Much like Satanic Versus of the Danish Cartoons. No one would have heard of them if these backward idiots hadn't reacted the way they did. But all they do is prove that those who mock Islam for being savage are exactly right.
 

mashdi

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Yes, but the point is making a movie about Jesus being a bastard or Moses being whatever is not much of a retaliation because no one this side is crazy enough to care.
You are obviously not exposed to Evangelical Christian freaks in USA's Christian Belt.not to mention the freaking basiji Mormons that this Romney clown fakes to represent.i suggest that you watch Jesus Camp documentary.it will do you a lot of good.
 

Flint

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And look at AP attempting to change the subject to save the administration from further embarrassment. If you didn't know better you would think they have just found the killer. What does law enforcement got to do with a movie......in America?

A U.S. law enforcement official says a man named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is behind the anti-Muslim film being blamed for mob attacks in Egypt, Libya and Yemen.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81158.html#ixzz26NMqzmUe


The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81158.html#ixzz26NNbPlns

Ongoing investigation? How about investigating who killed your ambassador?
 

masoudA

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هر چه فریاد دارید سر آمریکا بزنید!!


Some of you seem to have taken his Farman to heart!!
Go check who (besides the Italians) is taking Libyan oil these days......
I bet you Exxon-Mobile got screwed royaly.....and the poor Ambassador was trying to fix things.

Flint -
They are treating him as a criminal.......and interestingly enough not a word is being uttered in the liberal media about freedom of speech!!! I think the Funniest part about this movie (to us Eyranians) would be that most of us would agree with just about everything in the movie!!!
 
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Ardesheer

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The idiot, right-wing Judeo-Christian elements keep insulting Islam and everything Muslim, and the idiots on the other side take the bait every fu@king time. Muslims should retaliate by making a mockumentary about Jesus, Moses, and all the other imaginary historical characters. Speaking of a ba$tard, unknown father, ... Never mind!
Muslim's problem is that they also believe in that BS too. In other words, they also believe in virgin Mary, Jesus and Moses stories. The main difference is that Muslims don't believe in freedom of expression.
 

Behrooz_C

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You are obviously not exposed to Evangelical Christian freaks in USA's Christian Belt.not to mention the freaking basiji Mormons that this Romney clown fakes to represent.i suggest that you watch Jesus Camp documentary.it will do you a lot of good.
Yes I am aware of them but none of those groups are as savage of these people who storm embassies and cut throats in the street.
 

mashdi

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Yes I am aware of them but none of those groups are as savage of these people who storm embassies and cut throats in the street.
Nah.you are too naiive.the Christian Right in USA were the driving force behind George Bush's fake war on terror that killed many thousands and is still killing.
 

shahinc

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Muslims should retaliate by making a mockumentary about Jesus, Moses, and all the other imaginary historical characters.
Speaking of a ba$tard, unknown father, ... Never mind!
Do comical and tasteless movies like this really need a "retaliation" ??
Should they really bring out this much emotion and effort out of the people ??

Sometimes it is just good to shake head at someone's stupidity and just move on and spent the time on more productive and urgent matters at hand.
 

shahinc

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Nah.you are too naiive.the Christian Right in USA were the driving force behind George Bush's fake war on terror that killed many thousands and is still killing.
Interesting !!
So what was their reason for this Christian Right in USA for the war ??
Was it a hatred toward Islam and Islamic teachings ??
 

mashdi

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Interesting !!
So what was their reason for this Christian Right in USA for the war ??
Was it a hatred toward Islam and Islamic teachings ??
I don't know. you tell me.but be careful trying to figure out religious nuts.they live in a different planet and they have faith that are always right within their domain.