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[Zob Ahan]

Leadership skills only apply when the other people want to be led, not when they fancy themselves as leaders. Some of you guys have a complete misread of what Alinezhad and Esmaeilion represent. These people are backed by dangerous entities like Bernard Levy who has fomented separatist wars everywhere. That Iran International network has proven itself to be not just against IR but against Iran itself. What they have in mind for Iran is not freedom but forced Balkanization. The Levy association alone is enough to dismiss Alinezhad as viable opposition for anyone with common sense. Although she's also an unserious, histrionic imbecile and allergic to uttering the phrase "mellate iran".

The mistake Pahlavi made was in joining these losers in the first place. They have zero following inside Iran and are an astroturf opposition engineered from outside. He should have simply negotiated with them then pointed out that it can't work because they don't believe in national sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iran, which is the bare minimum for any true opposition. At least he did the right thing and pulled out after these losers with no domestic following acted like they have some kind of popular mandate and rejected everyone suggested by him.

I ignored too many red flags from these jerkoffs in the beginning but that's over now. They should have been thrown out after Berlin when they hijacked a popular gathering, took advantage of people's trust and refused to release the names of the speakers, only to platform a separatist clown like Boochani and a couple of freaks, one of whom turned out to be a porn actor!!

Stuns like that exposed and brought Esmaeilion to the current point where he can't pull even 300 people anywhere. Good riddance, idiot.

No revolution needs a gang of leaders. Compared to all other choices combined, Pahlavi has the overwhelming support of Iranians inside the country and has been adamant about a free and fair referendum to choose the next system. That's more than enough reason to rally behind him.

It had to be done. The usual suspects started this "etelaf" campaign and pounded the internet and London based Farsi channels with their BS demands. MA was actually the pioneer saying "hameh az ma mikhaand ke yek etelaafi bokonim" even naming names and then the others parroted that BS for months. RP expedited exposing them by accepting. Now the next spark in Iran will attract more people due to the accepted leadership.

 

[IranFTW]

Well first of all, I am a bit confused. RP didn't pull out. Till 2 weeks ago he was still in coalition. In fact others pull out first which shows your statement is not correct.

He did leave first. His message referring to the coalition as a "setback" and saying he will continue to explore other ways was interpreted by all sides as him leaving. He also unfollowed the participants on social media.

Secondly, even if everything that you say is correct, you agree that he did a huge mistake which is unacceptable for me.

His mistake was briefly joining a bunch of astroturf opposition figures connected to anti-Iranian scum like Levy. Their mistake is being astroturf opposition connected to anti-Iranian scum like Levy. It's worse than a mistake, it's a horrible character flaw.

Third, RP message doesn't match with people who surround him. The supporters of "Saltanat" want a king to go to Iran and rule the nation which is quite different with his views and people like me.

I doubt you know the people who surround him. You're referring to his supporters. They are a large number and have the right to take part in the referendum. If Iranians choose monarchy, there's nothing democratic about forcing them to live under another system that they don't want.

Fourth, he got only 400k approval during the stupid campaign "vekalat", that doesn't look that great in terms of support that you are alluding to.

I won't go into the fact that access to that petition was filtered in Iran, or that plenty of evidence was posted showing the live hacking that causes its numbers to go down in real time. I saw it firsthand before the evidence was even circulated. But If his numbers are that low then what are you worried about? This should mean they're too small to make an impact in the referendum or to hijack the revolution. Good news for you!

To be honest, I haven't seen anything negative coming from him, and RP looks like a bright man but I feel dishonesty in his approach. He can simply clear this out but he is staying quiet which doesn't help.

Huh?... Pahlavi is the one who insisted on transparency in the coalition. Hamed Esmal even cited Pahlavi's reports to people as a "problem", which shows the idiot doesn't believe in honesty and doesn't even understand how democracy works!

"Dishonest" is what Hamed Esmal pulled in Berlin and betrayed the trust of 100,000 people. "Dishonest" is him suddenly posing as a "barandaz" when he was loyal to the regime until the day his family was killed and didn't even utter a peep during or after the mass murders of Aban 2019! Plenty of people have lost their families at the hands of this regime (directly, not accidentally), but they didn't need their families killed to finally turn against IR.

This federalist, tribalist horse shit being peddled by the Alinezhad/ Esmal/Mohtadi gang is only supported by leftist expats and has practically no following inside Iran.

 

[HalaMadrid]

I won't go into the fact that access to that petition was filtered in Iran, or that plenty of evidence was posted showing the live hacking that causes its numbers to go down in real time. I saw it firsthand before the evidence was even circulated. But If his numbers are that low then what are you worried about? This should mean they're too small to make an impact in the referendum or to hijack the revolution. Good news for you!

A lot of stuff are filtered in Iran and almost everyone has VPN.

However, trust me, there was ZERO live hacking man, i mean come on! what was happening (and I explained at the time as well) it happens TO ALL websites that are displaying live results, I am not sure how technical you are, I try to explain it in simple terms, however if you are interested I am more than happy to expand on it.
When someone votes for something online, you can not write that immediately to the database or else the amount of your Input/output traffic is going to explode, I am not talking about your home project, imagine millions of connections at the same time. Anyway, so what you do is you cache , when someone loads the site, you first load the number you seen before (so you dont make a call to the DB) then after X amount of seconds, you make a call and read the cache. On all those "videos" if you waited 20-30 seconds, you would see the number is EXACTLY the same! I am not sure this website was using the "EXACT" method, but they would be doing something very similar.

As for RP and rest of his friends, honestly I am not going to comment, I am out of loop and dont know enough or follow as close as 2-3 months ago. Just wanted to prevent spread of mis-information.
Cheers,

 

[footy]

Father open champagne at his murdered son by the regime

 

[footy]

Father open champagne at his murdered son by the regime

Is that a true story or made up ?

Umm u need a lesson in c-rared iranian movie scenarios.

I think it may be an inside job.

 

[footy]

Obviously RP loyal fans would not like to minimize him to just a role in obtaining Irans freedom, but you know better it would be what makes sense not what they want.

His hands were tied but he's operating at a bigger faster role now. Def a concern for enemy .

Well first of all, I am a bit confused.

RP message doesn't match with people who surround him. The supporters of "Saltanat" want a king to go to Iran and rule the nation which is quite different with his views and people like me.

To be honest, I haven't seen anything negative coming from him, and RP looks like a bright man but I feel dishonesty in his approach. He can simply clear this out but he is staying quiet which doesn't help.

 

[IranFTW]

Good news for anti-monarchists is that their saint Hamed Chossmalion has finally dropped all pretense and is now proudly showing his hand as a separatist. If IR had hired this POS and tasked him directly with sabotaging the opposition, he couldn't have done a more obvious job than he has the last 7 months.

The regime's tactic from day one was to paint the revolution as a movement of degenerates and separatists not against the regime but against Iran itself. This clown's MO from day one was to help that narrative from outside, from platforming separatists and porn stars(!) in Berlin to arranging today's anti-IRGC rally where you can find every flag except Iran's!

What an absolute jakesh this guy turned out to be.

https://twitter.com/statuses/1652312477445550082

 

[Zob Ahan]

Who's who in the separatist world all in London today

https://twitter.com/statuses/1652334196600209411

 

[rahim]

 

[IEI]

Good news for anti-monarchists is that their saint Hamed Chossmalion has finally dropped all pretense and is now proudly showing his hand as a separatist. If IR had hired this POS and tasked him directly with sabotaging the opposition, he couldn't have done a more obvious job than he has the last 7 months.

The regime's tactic from day one was to paint the revolution as a movement of degenerates and separatists not against the regime but against Iran itself. This clown's MO from day one was to help that narrative from outside, from platforming separatists and porn stars(!) in Berlin to arranging today's anti-IRGC rally where you can find every flag except Iran's!

What an absolute jakesh this guy turned out to be.

https://twitter.com/statuses/1652312477445550082

Problem is that you don't understand that anti monarchist has zero meaning when the regime is still in power. Well that is why 44 years has gone and nothing has happened. If people of Iran pick monarchy, I will be 100 percent behind it but till then, this is going nowhere. Unity is required but unfortunately things are going back to Iranian way one of the most unsuccessful people in the world as a society.

 

[khodam]

Good news for anti-monarchists is that their saint Hamed Chossmalion has finally dropped all pretense and is now proudly showing his hand as a separatist. If IR had hired this POS and tasked him directly with sabotaging the opposition, he couldn't have done a more obvious job than he has the last 7 months.

The regime's tactic from day one was to paint the revolution as a movement of degenerates and separatists not against the regime but against Iran itself. This clown's MO from day one was to help that narrative from outside, from platforming separatists and porn stars(!) in Berlin to arranging today's anti-IRGC rally where you can find every flag except Iran's!

What an absolute jakesh this guy turned out to be.

https://twitter.com/statuses/1652312477445550082

Can you tell us what exactly you mean by separatist and how is HE a separatist? That label is being thrown around way too easily by monarchists, and it seems they call everyone a separatist!! Why and how are all these people separatists?

 

[IranFTW]

Can you tell us what exactly you mean by separatist and how is HE a separatist? That label is being thrown around way too easily by monarchists, and it seems they call everyone a separatist!! Why and how are all these people separatists?

You're asking this on the very day this POS organized a rally where Kurdish flags were all over the place and Iran flags were nowhere to be seen! He wouldn't even allow it onstage at the Berlin rally!

This clown avoids the flag of Iran the way vampires avoid the cross! He won't even utter the words "mellate Iran"! It takes willful self-deception to believe this guy is not a separatist or at the very least fine with separatism.

If you guys don't mind this crap, don't be cute and coy about it. Just come out and say it. This "technically not separatist" nonsense isn't going to cut it.

 

[IranFTW]

Problem is that you don't understand that anti monarchist has zero meaning when the regime is still in power. Well that is why 44 years has gone and nothing has happened. If people of Iran pick monarchy, I will be 100 percent behind it but till then, this is going nowhere. Unity is required but unfortunately things are going back to Iranian way one of the most unsuccessful people in the world as a society.

Problem is you don't understand that anti-monarchy is a political position and has meaning no matter who's in power. The Iranian left has made it painfully clear they don't even want a referendum if monarchy is among the choices. They know they can't win against it, and in some ways they even prefer IR because the regime's disastrous foreign policy is pretty much identical to what we'd have if a Marxist government was in power. The same braindead alliances with Venezuela, China and North Korea, and the same sacrifice of Iran's national interests at the altar of Palestine. Case in point, that stooge Esmalioon. Before his family was killed in the plane accident, he spent more time babbling about Palestine and swooning over Arafat than he did talking about the plight of Iranians! He didn't even utter a peep during the Aban slaughter four years ago.

Unity is only meaningful when each side brings a certain following to the table. The federalist, tribalist, republic nonsense being pushed by the Alinezhad/Esmal crew has practically no following inside Iran. It's astroturfed by Iran International and well-known fund-receiving accounts on social media, and its base is limited to left-leaning expats, most of whom have no intention of ever going back. If they want Iran to be their preferred system, they need to go back and risk their lives the way people inside the country have been doing. Forcing people in a country you don't even live in to submit to your desired system is not democracy.

 

[rahim]

Do we really need to stretch the truth?
There were Iranian national flags present and very visible in the video posted

 

[khodam]

You're asking this on the very day this POS organized a rally where Kurdish flags were all over the place and Iran flags were nowhere to be seen! He wouldn't even allow it onstage at the Berlin rally!

This clown avoids the flag of Iran the way vampires avoid the cross! He won't even utter the words "mellate Iran"! It takes willful self-deception to believe this guy is not a separatist or at the very least fine with separatism.

If you guys don't mind this crap, don't be cute and coy about it. Just come out and say it. This "technically not separatist" nonsense isn't going to cut it.

Like what @rahim said, why do you need to stretch the truth? Yes, that clip was of a section of the crowd that were Kurds waving Kurdistan flags but there were Iranian flags all over from other clips and pictures. Again, how does this make HE a separatist?

And what do you want to do with those Kurds waiving Kurdish flags? Do you want them as part of the future Iran? Don't they have a right to express their opinion? Or if you come to power, will you round them up and put them in jail because they are traitors? The fact is that Kurds (and Turks and Balouchs, etc) have every reason not to trust a central government. For decades, both IR and Pahlavis went full force at cultural genocide when it came to those minorities. If you want their trust, you have to earn it, not demand it. To call them traitors and refusing to work with them does nothing to reassure them from their rightful and equitable place in a future Iran.

 

[khodam]

If they want Iran to be their preferred system, they need to go back and risk their lives the way people inside the country have been doing.

That's rich, super rich!! Sorry I got distracted by the masses of LA monarchists rushing back to Iran to fight in the streets

Unity is only meaningful when each side brings a certain following to the table.

So when it was "Vekalat" time, unity was everything, and we should've put our differences aside and join the cause to get rid of IR. Now unity is meaningless ...

The reality is that monarchists have not been able to work with anyone. Republicans, federalists, nationalists, leftists, reformists, they are all traitors. If you are a monarchist, we'll work with you, if not then you are a separatist and traitor. Really good strategy!!

And finally, you are misreading RP's name recognition as support. Name recognition is valuable and can lead to support, but RP is wasting it. The support he has is so far not one he has earned, it's thanks to IR and the nostalgia people feel for the good old times. If he and his supporters continue to be divisive, even that name recognition will evaporate.

 

[footy]

No labeling each other please. Everyone has an opinion and should be respected.
I also have the same feeling.
I think RP was dishonest and he wants to be the opposition leader, he wants the support from these guys and wants to go back and become the king.
There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion but he and his team, suggested otherwise during coalition.
And lack of leadership is shown, he hasn't had any comments about this in the last two weeks.
You can be a supporter of one person but criticism is what democracy is all about.
RP has the opprotunity to come out and discuss about this instead of playing cat and mouse game.

Respectfully you're looking over a few things. He said this is a bus and more are welcome to join. Others in that committee block other candidates.

His allies presented plans for various committees and shared it. HE used lack of regards for his ' ideas' on the very same issue as excuse to move on.

It's beyond RP to start bashing these people. He simply moved on. There's a difference. This wasn't a place to start pouring negative vibes. Silence was the method of disapproval.

Idea of him becoming king is just absurd to me. Anyone feeling that is just not practical to me personally.

Us incl RP want a system that works. If RP dies in afew short years then we're at the same issues and challenged again. Times have changed, most still think of shahs and his powers, ain't gonna happen.

 

[oghabealborz]

This whole sovereignty thing is a red herring. You can't have both sovereignty and democracy as preconditions. What happens if in a democratic Iran, Kurds wanted to be independent? What takes precedence, sovereignty or democratic values?



Kurds and Turks and Balouchs have been brutally discriminated against all throughout Pahlavi regime and IR - you can't ask them to submit to such precondition when they have no trust in or historical allegiance to the central government. You need to win back their trust and ensure sovereignty that way.

Which end of the trumpet you are blowing?

For any citizen of any country of the world "sovereignty " is a red line .
Regardless of their political views and preferences.

 

[khodam]

Which end of the trumpet you are blowing?

For any citizen of any country of the world "sovereignty " is a red line .
Regardless of their political views and preferences.

We all want sovereignty, but the question is how you would ensure it in a country as diverse as Iran.

How would the Kurds feel sovereign in a country where their kids are not allowed to learn their mother's language at school? You can't just ignore decades of discrimination in the name of sovereignty. The way to ensure sovereignty is to make sure all minorities feel secure, wanted, and equal. Otherwise you have to hold the country together by force, which is effectively what the last two regimes have done. And given the historical context, a promise for better times won't suffice, we all need to work for it.

These people felt Iranian enough to take part in a demonstration about Iran, whether they brought Kurdish flags or not. That is something to build on, not to further alienate them by calling them traitors. If we truly consider them Iranian, we should care about their legitimate grievances.

 

[footy]

The reality is that monarchists have not been able to work with anyone.

can you name a few parties? It's RP & supporters who tried to Bring likes ofNajafi and Taheri on board which was denied by some on that committee.

RP had extended a hand to anyone other than mujahed as far as I know.

like to hear name of ur candidate who got dissed