Historians, researchers back Iranian president’s view on Holocaust

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http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=12/25/2005&Cat=2&Num=9

Historians, researchers back Iranian president’s view on Holocaust


Following the statement by President Mahmud Ahmadinejad, who on December 14 called the Holocaust a myth, the Mehr News Agency contacted a number of leading independent historians and scholars from different parts of the world to ask them their views on the idea. Following are some e-mails from historians and researchers sent to MNA:

Dr. Robert Faurisson has told me that you wish to learn of the extent of endorsement, by his colleagues, of the recent remarks of Iran's President Ahmadinejad on the subject of the Jewish "Holocaust". I base my comments here on the reports on these remarks that I have read in the Western press. In 1976 I published a book entitled "The Hoax of the Twentieth Century", in which I argued:

1. The alleged slaughter of millions of Jews by the Germans, during World War II, did not happen.

2. The extermination allegation is properly termed a hoax, that is to say, a deliberately contrived falsehood. It was not at its source an honest misunderstanding or accidental falsehood.

3. The hoax had a Zionist provenance and motivation. That is, while some of the original obscure stories did not come from Zionist sources, the elevation to allegations repeated by the American and other governments, and major institutions, was due to Zionist circles within those countries, who acted with Zionist motivations.

I continue to maintain those three theses, which have become core features of what is called "Holocaust" revisionism. Apart from some nuances of wording, the three theses were repeated by President Ahmadinejad. Therefore, there can be no question that I endorse his remarks in those respects. In the years since the publication of my book in 1976, there were two developments that I did not expect:

4. Western countries undertook a massive repression of revisionism. In some cases, particularly in Europe, legally formulated persecution has sent revisionists to prison, in blatant contradiction of the sermons we have given the rest of the world on "human rights" and "freedom". In other cases, revisionists have been ruined professionally with the cooperation of government bodies.

5. The cognizance of the "Holocaust" in the West was transformed into a loud, never-ending series of ceremonies that can only be interpreted as religious in nature.

President Ahmadinejad's remarks also included the last two observations, so of course I also endorse the remarks in those respects. I congratulate him on becoming the first head of state to speak out clearly on these issues, and regret only that it was not a Western head of state.

His political remarks receive no comment on my side. By "political remarks" I mean those that deal with questions of what ought to happen now.

Sincerely, Arthur R. Butz

Associate Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science

Northwestern University

Evanston, Illinois 60208 USA

I wish to assure you that French and international revisionist scholars, in particular those who actively contribute to the website AAARGH (http://aaargh.com.mx) do support entirely the Iranian President Ahmedinejad. They found his speeches remarkably accurate, his ideas very sound, and his proposals (transfer of Israel's Jews somewhere else) very rational and just. We find a great solace in the courageous behavior of the highest Iranian authorities.

Serge Thion

former social scientist, kicked out of his job for revisionism.

Mr. Ahmadinejad helped us a lot. The “Holocaust” never happened. It’s the biggest lie of history. The logical reflections of Mr. Ahmadinejad will push many people to the side of the “revisionists” because the transition of the state of Israel to Germany is in secrecy already underway. The Germans must fight the false story of the Holocaust in order to keep their country.

Many historians contradict the official version of history but they are silenced by force. Many of them are in jail for telling the truth… The English translation of the text “Sylvia Stolz Schutzschrift engl” is not yet completed, but it may be of interest for you.

The text “Toynbee about Israel” is of utmost importance. Toynbee said already in 1963 what Mr. Ahmadinejad is saying in 2005. My view is formulated in the text “Jewish Question -– DK-Process”.

Please keep in touch with me.

Greetings

Horst Mahler

I believe that all historical questions should be open to discussion and debate. The “Holocaust” has become a religion. Those who express any doubts are treated like heretics. This is intellectually dishonest and wrong.

Paul Fromm

Director

Canadian Association for Free Expression

Thanks… Yes, I definitely appreciated his remarks, and, as a concerned American, I am deeply sorry and ashamed for my nation's behavior toward the whole world, and especially toward Iran. At this point in time, I regard Iran and Venezuela as the last bastions of authentic democracy in the world. Democracy in America has devolved into corporate fascism, and we are all in danger because of it. Please check my remarks on the website iamthewitness.com.

Best wishes to you, as well as the Iranian president. May we all have the courage to continue to speak the truth under any circumstances.

Best wishes,

John Kaminski

Yes, I want to support President Ahmadinejad. But you did not indicate what kind of support you are seeking from me.

Sindi

I totally support Mr. Ahmadinejad's views on the alleged "Holocaust" of the Jews being a legend or a myth.

Faurisson

I have a lot of respect for Iran, its people and its leaders. I have been in Iran in 1973 or 1974, in the shah's days, and was enchanted by the beauty of the land and noble character of the people.

As for your questions, I wrote a piece about it called Vampire Killers. There you will find a full answer to your questions. My regards to you and to Iran!

Shamir

Jaffa

I do not know what Mr. Ahmadinejad's views are. We are a Polish-American committee. I have personally experienced WWII in Warsaw, Poland. Certainly, the experiences of the Jews under the German occupation have now been propagandized. And, certainly, they have suffered as most people in those times and places. The experience of the Jews (the Holocaust) has been just one part of the overall tragedy of WWII. I believe that Poles suffered the greatest losses. Until now, Poles do not have control of their own country. For more info, please go to www.papurec.org.

Regards,
Dana I. Alvi
 
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You can always find some psychos that agree with you. How can one say that Holocust did not happen but Islam did happen where one happend 14 centuries ago is too crazy to even argue.
 

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I wont even read this bull shit. On my visit to germany and austria I personally visited two concentration camps and saw what took place there. Germans themselves had photos of the jews and those human burning ovens are still there. Plus the gas chamber and the pools where they filled with boiling water. and all the videos and documents and live witnesses that are still alive today. It pisses me off so much with someone with the low level of intellect such as AN makes such commnets and makes Iran look bad in front of the whole world. I hope him and his dar o daste are sent to one of those camps and tortured so this bastard will know what it feels like.
 

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I have been to Auschwitz and Krakov in Poland and I have seen the camp with my two eyes.. you could still feel and smell everything.. sick indeed!!
 

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Ostad Pooya and Bijan jans, many say the holocaust happened but the number of jews who were killed were actually a lot less than it says in the history books. Like afew hundred jews who were killed were intentionally hyped up to millions...or something like that?! I don't know!
 

OSTAD POOYA

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Dear sly you should put your biases away man. Afew hundred hyped to millions???? dude how do you think man. what kind of nonesense you been reading. Do you know how many holocuast survivors there is. Do you know how many camps were out there. Its people with your ideology that change history in time. Why do you think there are even those today to dare to say that arabs came to persia peacefully? whend you try to make something smaller than what it is in time it can start taking effect little by little.
 

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to be honest.. for me whether it actually happened or not is not the point here.. the point is as a president of a country who is in the middle of a f*cked up situation as far as foreign relations is concerned.. the last thing you'd want him to do is stir up more controversy.. if we say our opinion it's different to a presidnet of a country..

however i do find it very wrong that it is against the law in many europeans countries to express any opinion against the widely accepted view.. it's like if they said anybody who disputes religion will be prisoned.. you'd think it was a bit f*cked up.. wouldn't you?! (like how we say iran is messed up right now!) .. so how cum making this illegal suddenly isn't against freedom of speech?!
 

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abouzar said:
so how cum making this illegal suddenly isn't against freedom of speech?![/quote]

Is it illegal to make a comment against it ??!!!

I don't think it is illegal, It is only pure stupid to make a comment on something that has been widely documented ( pictures, videos, journals, report and .....) and proven ;)

But if you are right and it is illegal, then it is definitely against freedom of speech.
 

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Sly said:
Ostad Pooya and Bijan jans, many say the holocaust happened but the number of jews who were killed were actually a lot less than it says in the history books. Like afew hundred jews who were killed were intentionally hyped up to millions...or something like that?! I don't know!
few hundrard? Come on man, would the Germans build big concentration camps such as Auschwitz all over eastern europe to kill few hundard jews in the middle of a war? Not all the people in those camps were jews there were alot of Gypsies and other POWs and Eastern europeans, polictical prisioners, mentaly ill people but to say that there were only few hundred is rediculous.

If AN was in Nazi Germany at the time he would be one of the first to the death camp because of his retarded face and brick wall IQ.
 
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nobody can claim they are anti zionists as much as i am but please people...


get your fucking head out of your assholes...few hundred...

its like saying during iran-iraq war there were three iranian casulties and two injured...

honestly, the kind of fucking shit you come across in this forum sometimes amazes you.

Any type of historian who backs a comment by a LOW-LIFE, SCUMBAG, VERMIN, APE such as AN must be either on three hits of acid or been kicked out of the university for rape and trying to re establish himself.

kaka reincarnations of parham or sooski or what ???


fucking redicilous. Today, i think for the first time in my life, i am truly embarrassed to belong to the same race as these shiite FUCK UPS.

its a fucking shame.:gun:
 

Sly

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LOL, some of you guys do like to just jump on anybody without even properly read their text, don't you?!!! Instead of just closing your eyes and throw out just what ever it is from your dirty mouths, take another look in people's text before replying! When did I ever say I'm stating that?? I clearly said MANY PEOPLE say! That means that's their explanation!!! I never said I agreed with them!

kia2 jan: Well, I don't know man.....this is what they claim! As you very well say there were a lot of gypsies, political prisoners, mentally ill people, etc. there too. So their claim here is that if you count the number of jews that were among them, it wouldn't be the big number as they say in the history books!

BTW, Ostad Pooya jan, LOL, I don't know about the arabs but I rather think it's because of people like you that Iran is in the situation it's in now. :) Instead of just getting over excited over the smallest word that is against our opinion, we should learn to listen what people has to say more often! ;)

BTW, I totally agree with Abouzar!
 

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Sly said:
When did I ever say I'm stating that?? I clearly said MANY PEOPLE say! That means that's their explanation!!! I never said I agreed with them!
With all due respect Sly Jan,

and this is just my opinion after reading your post:
by repeating their claims you wanted to show some evidence to what AN and Kaka has posted.
If you did not agree with those opinions and thought there were biased, and wrong, then you wouldn't have mentioned them.
Anyway, I could be wrong but this is a feeling that I get as an unbiased person who read your post.
 

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Many Persians have the unfortunate habit of giving credence to people in their own circle, even if unwarranted, and deny "other" people any credit, even if deserved-clearly an unfair and unbecoming practice.

According to some, there are many of these myths including the extent of suffering of Chinese and Koreans in WW II, the genocide of Armenians, policy of extermination of Native Americans, or the same for religious minorities in Islamic Republic of Iran and many more.

However, it would be a lot more mature and responsible for this generation to accept the mistakes and wrong-doings of past generations, extend a sincere apology and work hard to mend the fences, not to mention broken hearts and distraught souls.

Regardless of faith in a Divine power and a higher purpose for life, we all realize the transitory nature of life on earth and the fact that in final analysis, a good memory and well-remembered name is all we can leave behind. As varied as our perceptions of it may be, truth is one and it will always prevail!
 

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shahinc said:
With all due respect Sly Jan,

and this is just my opinion after reading your post:
by repeating their claims you wanted to show some evidence to what AN and Kaka has posted.
If you did not agree with those opinions and thought there were biased, and wrong, then you wouldn't have mentioned them.
Anyway, I could be wrong but this is a feeling that I get as an unbiased person who read your post.
shahinc jan, I never said I agreed with them but I never said I think they are biased and wrong either! We are all discussing here which makes you learn different things from eachother!

What I said is what I have heard from afew people that I have talked to about the holocaust! I thought to bring it up here to discuss it! The reason I repeat it is because I want to see what "civilized" people with different opinion would say about it!

I mean we have all studied and read books about all the things that happened! But after all, as much as I can't find proof in what the other people said to me, I can't really find a concrete evidence from the things that have been said in this post, which points that the number of jews who were killed were really that many, either! (I mean big concentration camps, gas chambers, etc. don't really prove that the number of jews that were killed were millions)!

That's why I thought to discuss it here and see what people with different opinion have to say in a reasonable and logical way!

I hate Ahmadinejad and his whole stupidity but instead of just blindly attacking an opinion like his, only because he's Ahmadinejad and has beard, I'd rather see the logic in everything instead! But if I ever knew some people are narrow minded and could attack me for being "bi taraf", let alone discuss another opinion than their own, I would have never brought it up! :rolleyes:
 

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Sly said:
(I mean big concentration camps, gas chambers, etc. don't really prove that the number of jews that were killed were millions)!
Sly jan, there are more proof than that and I guess people were surprised by your comments ( educated person in west) since these events have been documented so well. ( as I mentioned before there are books, reports, films and ...)

I don't want to give you some random internet link, but as soon as I get some free time in next couple of weeks ( I have read couple in farsi when I was younger but do not remeber the name of the books right now), I will go to university library and will find a book on this subject and will let you know about it.
 

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Sly jan, there are more proof than that and I guess people were surprised by your comments ( educated person in west) since these events have been documented so well. ( as I mentioned before there are books, reports, films and ...)
shahinc jan, well great! because what I was after, was just this kind of discussion! and I don't know why people couldn't tolerate it as "educated persons in west" as they are! ;)

However, I have already read books and stories and even seen many documentaries and films about the holocaust! It's not like I'm born yesterday! ;) But who wrote/made the books and films?? Seing from the other side's perspective, all the books and documents, etc. come from the people who, (according to the other side), intentionally hyped up the number of killed jews! :rolleyes: Do you know what I mean?

I mean it's somehow only words against words here!
 
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shahinc

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Sly said:
However, I have already read books and stories and even seen many documentaries and films about the holocaust! It's not like I'm born yesterday! ;) But who wrote/made the books and films?? Seing from the other side's perspective, all the books and documents, etc. come from the people who, (according to the other side), intentionally hyped up the number of killed jews! :rolleyes: Do you know what I mean?

I mean it's somehow only words against words here!
You can not say that. There are authentic papers written by the guards on those camps which describes the events. Anyway, I guess this is the matter of who we want to belive and how we feel about the matter.
 

Sly

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shahinc said:
You can not say that. There are authentic papers written by the guards on those camps which describes the events.
Ok, I've never seen or read those kind of papers. Do the guards clearly say the jews that were killed were millions? Is the number written as well? In that case... hmmmm...

But on the other hand, to make a big conspircy here (;)), even those guards could have gotten paied for writing what they did!

It's very interesting though...but as you say, I guess it's only what you wanna believe, cause there aren't really 100% proof of anything! :rolleyes: