Holocaust Denier Gets Three Years

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VIENNA, Austria - Right-wing British historian David Irving pleaded guilty Monday to denying the Holocaust and was sentenced to three years in prison, even after conceding he wrongly said there were no Nazi gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp.
Irving, handcuffed and wearing a navy blue suit, arrived in court carrying a copy of one of his most controversial books — "Hitler's War," which challenges the extent of the Holocaust.
"I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz," Irving told the court before his sentencing, at which he faced up to 10 years in prison.
He also expressed sorrow "for all the innocent people who died during the Second World War."
But he insisted he never wrote a book about the Holocaust, which he called "just a fragment of my area of interest."
"In no way did I deny the killings of millions of people by the Nazis," testified Irving, who has written nearly 30 books.
The court said Irving had three days to appeal his sentence. His lawyer did not immediately say whether he planned to do so.
Irving, 67, has been in custody since his November arrest on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Nazis' extermination of 6 million Jews. He has contended that most of those who died at concentration camps such as Auschwitz succumbed to diseases such as typhus rather than execution.
The convicted Irving after his guilty plea under the 1992 law, which applies to "whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media."
Irving's trial came amid new — and fierce — debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad has triggered deadly protests worldwide.
Irving's lawyer, Elmar Kresbach, said last month the controversial Third Reich historian was getting up to 300 pieces of fan mail a week from supporters around the world and was writing his memoirs in detention under the working title "Irving's War."
Irving was arrested Nov. 11 in the southern Austrian province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989. He was charged under a federal law that makes it a crime to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust.
Irving had tried to win his provisional release on $24,000 bail, but a Vienna court refused, saying it considered him a flight risk.
Within two weeks of his arrest, he asserted through his lawyer that he had come to acknowledge the existence of Nazi-era gas chambers. Before the trial began, Irving told reporters he now acknowledges that the Nazis systematically slaughtered Jews during World War II.
"History is like a constantly changing tree," he said.
In the past, however, he has claimed that Adolf Hitler knew little if anything about the Holocaust, and he has been quoted as saying there was "not one shred of evidence" the Nazis carried out their "Final Solution" to exterminate the Jewish population on such a massive scale.
Vienna's national court, where the trial is being held, ordered the balcony gallery closed to prevent projectiles from being thrown down at the bench, the newspaper Die Presse reported Sunday.

It quoted officials as saying they were bracing for Irving's supporters to give him the Nazi salute or shout out pro-Hitler slogans during the trial.
In 2000, Irving sued American Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt for libel in a British court but lost. The presiding judge in that case, Charles Gray, wrote that Irving was "an active Holocaust denier ... anti-Semitic and racist."
Irving has had numerous run-ins with the law over the years. In 1992, a judge in Germany fined him the equivalent of $6,000 for publicly insisting the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz were a hoax
 
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If the punishment for lying and bullshitting is three years then all of fucking Israel and Iran should be in fucking jail.

this is crap. i hate this shit about europe.

Moslems and Jews do whatever the fuck they want but once a christian says something he is in jail....

fucking bullshit.
 
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Well, that's just ridiculous. Honestly, this is horrible. Ok, you can't have freedom of speech for a certain group, either it applies to everyone or to no one. Incomplete and corrupted freedom of speech is just as bad as no freedom of speech.

This is prolly one of the most frustrating news items I've seen.
 
Jan 23, 2003
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shawshank said:
Well, that's just ridiculous. Honestly, this is horrible. Ok, you can't have freedom of speech for a certain group, either it applies to everyone or to no one. Incomplete and corrupted freedom of speech is just as bad as no freedom of speech.

This is prolly one of the most frustrating news items I've seen.
Agreed.

This completely justifies the barbaric Moslem reactions to the cartoon fiasco
 

OSTAD POOYA

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Abedzaadeh said:
Agreed.

This completely justifies the barbaric Moslem reactions to the cartoon fiasco
akhe gooz be shaghighe che rabti dareh?

so its justified to burn churches and kill people when someone based on the laws of the land that he is living in is jailed. vaghean keh
I take it you support terrorism and innocent people dying
 
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OSTAD POOYA said:
akhe gooz be shaghighe che rabti dareh?

so its justified to burn churches and kill people when someone based on the laws of the land that he is living in is jailed. vaghean keh
I take it you support terrorism and innocent people dying
Ostad jan, no sense of humor?
 

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Behrooz_C said:
Listen guys, this muppet is no 'historian'. He is a well-known right-wing nazi sympathiser neo nazi. He has a history of anti-semitism. He wasn't some misinformed historian as some news wires have you believe.
really? so hes not a cambridge professor who decided to conduct his own independent research?
 

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His comment was as ridicolous as AN's Holocaust denial.
I just wished AN too was living in Germany to get jailed for 3 yrs for his comment.
 

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averageniceguy said:
really? so hes not a cambridge professor who decided to conduct his own independent research?
He maybe a professor or whatever else, but he is also a righ wing Nazi sympathiser. He admitted to it years ago. It IS possible to be a professor at Oxbridge whatever your political persuasions, you know?
 

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youre missing the point. he may be right wing, left wing or bottom wing. but if he has to say something and can back it up with research, why not hear him?
1) if there is freedom of speech, why not?
2) are worried that hes uncovered something they wanted to keep hidden?
3) dont they want to bring up the subject matter simply because of its sensitivity? if yes, then why be sensitive only selectively? theres a word for that. you know what it is?

personally, i dont deny the holocaust and right wing neo nazi's are the people i'd like to see behind bars the most. but if we close our ears, we run into the danger of becoming like them.
 

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I agree about freedom of speech and that we should be allowed to hear the opinion of everyone no matter how controversial these maybe.

But this chap has now admitted that he was wrong. He also admitted that his 'research' was flawed in so many ways. I have no doubts the holocost took place, but I have no idea how many Jews died in the concentration camps but this guy's argument still is that 6 million is an exaggerated number. I guess no one can ever say for sure.
 

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Behrooz_C said:
Listen guys, this muppet is no 'historian'. He is a well-known right-wing nazi sympathiser neo nazi. He has a history of anti-semitism. He wasn't some misinformed historian as some news wires have you believe.
that's right..the guy has no academic degree what soever...

btw. irving doesn't live in austria...he was a guest in austria and he did something against the law.
 
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Abedzaadeh said:
Agreed.

This completely justifies the barbaric Moslem reactions to the cartoon fiasco
I wrote this out of frustration and did not mean it in that context. I take it back.

More like what I meant is that its difficult to teach Moslems the concept of "freedom of speech" when in Europe someone is jailed for doubting the Holocaust.

I hate to say it but AN was right when he made this point. It seems he was also spot on when he said "Europeans are not free, they are hostages of the Zionists"!
 
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I don't care what arguement you use but three years of jail for an opinion is way too much . I don't care if he is not educated or what not, three years for words is ridiculous.

I remember back when I went to grade 8, we did the brazil unit for the first three months then we spent almost 4 months on Ann Frank, completely focused on the treatment of jews in the second world war. First 3 weeks, I was like "ok, they went through some horrible times, i guess we could take 3 weeks to reflect on this historical occurance" but we just kept on talking and talking every day about it and I was surprised that not even once, in a paragraph somewhere in a book did they mention all the Chinese who were murdured by the Japanese in the second WW. I'm talking about massacares, people beheaded in the thousands. These things matter in the long run you know..