Iran-Syria

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Haala man ye chizi migam bisavaad. Man migam injaa search function vojood daare. Kheyli raahate. Be jaaye inhame koso shere birabt goftan o jafang sare ham kardan, Boro hamoon thread ro biaar bekesh baalaa. Hamoonjaa dobaare baa mantegh kheshtaketo mikesham roo saret, hamoonjaa ham behet neshoon midam ke bivojood haai eyne to be har amale palidi dast mizanan age betoonan shekast too bahs ro ye joori baa cheap shot o doroogh o hile o makr ye joori jobran konan. Vali bebin bisavaad, man injaa hastam, boro oon thread ro biaar, behem oon ghesmati ke beghole to goftam goore babaye kordaa ke shimi roo sareshoon zadan ro quote kon. Boro peydaash kon quote kon.

Dar vaaghe midoonam ke nemitooni, chon man ghashang yaadame chi goftam o chi nagoftam, vali to injaa ghasdet faghat ine in bahs ro az raahe dorost o manteghi biroon bekeshi, bebarish be biraahe o koso shero ...be har haal hamoon raahi ke shomaa haa bisavaadaa toosh khebre hastid o mohaarat daarid. Aadame bisharaf o naa paak shaakho dom nadaare, makhsoosan irooni jamaa'at faghat baayad doro varesho negaah kone, mibine poran.

Man vaaghean montazeram, boro hamoon threadi ke injaa daari dar moredesh doroogh miparooni chon midooni mardom nemiran donbaalesh ro biaar, dobaare toosh bahs mikonim. Injaa ham ke khob mesle baghiye bisavaadaa harfi vaase goftan nadaari o faghat koso sheraaye ghadimi ro balghoor mikoni. Mitooni beshini. Sefr.

 

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Man gofte boodam, injaa az hich mozakhrafe bi paaye o birabti nemigzaram, esme post konandash harchi mikhaad baashe, pesar khaaleye harki ham mikhaad baashe. Taa injaash dahane ye seritoon baste shode, faghat dige vaasatoon smiley o koso shero harfaaye birabt o bahs ro be haashiye keshidan moondeh. Haalaa man tak take bahaane haa o mozakhrafaati ro ke az rooye bisavaadio naa paakiye mahz be khorde in mardom midid ro, miaam baa mantegh o dalil kenaar mizanam. Mikhaam oonaai ke saal haa koso shere birabt goftan o enghad zire baghaleshoon hendoone gozaashtin o taghdir o tamjideshoon kardid ke baad kardan o vaaghean fekr mikonan pokhi boodan ro ham oon baadeshoon ro bekhaaboonam va khaabide mishe, taa vaghti ke yeki az shomaa haa bisavaadaa natoonin daste raasto chapetoono az ham tashkhis bedin o zerraaye kessaaye digaro injaa balghoor konid bedoone inke oon mokhaaye koochiketoono be kaar bendaazin, hamishe nokar o sharmandeye vaagheyat va mantegh khaahid bood.

Man mibinam US, NATO, Saudis use the most savage al qaida terrorists like "Jabahat al Nusra" be in ghasd ke taghriban aakharin noghte haaye in mantagharo ke hanooz toosh kami sharaf, ensaaniat, sekularism vojood daare ro khafe kone. Too in site, abzaare kaare hamoon US va NATO ye mosht bisavaadan ke mishe beheshoon goft "Jabahaat al Bisavaadeen". In this US led proxy war, there is no real difference between "jabahaat al Nusra" va "Jabahaat al Bisavaadeen". The former is the military arm of reaction and islamic backwardness, the latter is the propaganda arm of the same. Oonaa na dalil haalishoon mishe, na sharaf, na rahm na mantegh, na aazaadi, ....shomaa haa bisavaad haa ham haminid, too cyber world na mantegh haalitoon mishe, na fahmesho daarid, na sharafesho, na sedaaghatesho na mardoonegisho na aslan vojoodesho.

Va inke man cheraa inaaro migam.

Man yaadame vaghti tako took tazaahoraat too sooriye anjaam mishod, ye seri az hamin jamaa'ate bisavaad, miyoomad ashke temsaah vaase mardome sooriye mirikht. Ye dafe rage ensaaniateshoon gol karde bood o migoftan, dame mardome sooriye garm ke daaran vaase Democracy mijangan, bezanan in Asaad khoonkhaar ro az beyn bebaran. Man oon moghe mikhandidam...

Haalaa bade gozashte chand yek saalo chand maah, in moshakhas shode, va man ham injaa be moshakhash shodane in jaryaan komak kardam ke Kheyr. Na tanhaa in salafi-takfiri haai ke az chechni, torkiye, afghanestan, pakestan, torkamanestan, bosni, arabestan, yaman, tunes, libi... alaan daaran alanan baa asle haaye amrikaai ke too torkiye beheshoon tahvil midan baa mardom o dolate sekulare sooriye mijangan, balke hamoon tazaahoraate avaliye ham hattaa ideology o hadafesh "demokracie" bishtar naboode. Hichvaght naboodeh. Hamoon aval ham vaghti miyoomadan too khiaaboon harfeshoon in boode ke Sooriye ziaadi aazaade! Oonaa az hamoon aval ham oomade boodan too khiaaboon ke jeragheye aval ro bezanan, this proxy war of US imposed on Syria has been planned long ago and the aim, at no time has been to bring democracy to Syria but more islam and more destruction but please of the agressive sunni, salafi kind. But their propaganda machinerie is still shamelessly calling their operations an operation to liberate syria and bring them democracy. Inke haalaa hamoonaai ke daaran aslahe azashoon migiran, kheyli roshan o vaazeh migan na democracy mikhaaim, na aazaadi, balke faghat yek ommate khalife, zire solteye shamshire eslaame wahabi o takfiri, in dige mohem nist. Injaaro dige ziaad moo ro az maast nemikeshan ke taa momkene gandesh dar nayaad. vali oomade.

Bale, in Assad be in dalil keshvaresh ro be khaako khoon keshidan chon ye omr khodesh va pedaresh moghaabele ekhvaan ol moslemin jangide, baraaye sonni haa masjed hast, baraa shie haa masjed hast, baraaye yahoodi haa synanog hast, baraaye masihi haa kelisaa hast va baraaye aragh khoresh ham aragh hast. In tamaame gonaahesh in boode.

Haalaa bisavaadaani ke hamin chand maah pish, na, aslan hamin chand rooz pish miyoomadan vaase mardome syria va jangeshoon baraaye demokracy ashke temsaah mirikhtan, Haalaa ke kaamelan vaazeh shode ke in vasat oon Assad e ke liberal boode, va mardomesh ro az har gheshr o mazhabi ke boodan ro too kaaraashoon aazaad gozaashteh, va in tarafi haa, yani US and NATO backed Salafi terrorists boodan ke mikhaan aslan liberalism o secularism ro rishasho bekanan, chon bi maaye o bi vojood hastan, haalaa miaan be jaaye inke began eshtebaah kardim, in vaaghean keaafat kaariye chenin keshvar va chenin mellati ro be in rooz andaakhtan, mian eyne aghaaye Motori migan: Aslan be tokhmam ke too sooriye zano bache o javoone mardom ro mikoshan o baalaa sareshoon se baar takbeer migan chon bichaare haa shie boodan, hattaa sonni boodan (faghat moderate boodan, fahmide boodan ke Assad e alawi baaz baa sonni haaye aadam behtare taa in sonni haaye terrorist), armani boodan, kord boodan, masihi boodan, yahoodi boodan...bale, ishoon mige age manfeate mardome Iran (ke behesh mige MY country lol) raftane Assad baashe, be tokhmame ke oonjaa nasl koshi mishe yaa nemishe. Baraaye in jomleh, ishoon miaad injaa az 5 taa bisavaade dige, "like" ham migire. Haalaa inke in harf taa che had gheyre ensaani, taa che had kasif o palide ro man kaari baahaash nadaaram chon nemikhaam beram too ghesmate ensaanish, mikhaam neshoon ke in sohbat ishoon hattaa az nazare manteghi ham koso sheri bish naboodeh va manfeat, behboodi va behrooziye mardome Iran be Assad hich rabti nadaashte o nadaare va in harf faghat mitoone az dahane yek bisavaade siaasi oonam az noe tamaam ayaaresh biroon biaad.


Khob, tajziye o tahlilesh mikonim bebinim boodan yaa naboodane Assad che rabti mitoone be sarneveshte mellate Iran daashteh baashe. Aslan berim az aval negaah konim bebinim in Assad che kaar karde, ke in "Jabahaat ol Bisavadeen" e irooni too in site, fekr mikonan age bere Iran va mellate Iran vazeshoon automatic behtar mishe.

Javaabesh dar vaagheh kheyli aasoone. Hich kaari nakarde, va bood o naboodesh hich rabti be behboodi o behrooziye mardome iran nadaare. In jamaa ate bisavaad mige Assad chon refighe IRe, age bere, IR zaif mishe o bla bla..

Assad baraaye inke bood o naboodesh be boodo naboode IR rabti daashteh baashe baayad be har haal ye komake bozorgi yaa be eghtesaad, yaa be artesh yaa be niroo haaye sarkoobe IR bokone. Faghat dar in soorate ke aadam mitoone be soorate manteghi bege bale, in Assade khoonkhaar milliard miliard komake maali be IR mikone, sepaahiaashoono talim mide, ke age nade kolle sepaah falaj mishe (!!!)... javaabe tamaame in soaal haa manfiye. Assad, na komake maali be IR mikone (chon khode IR 100 baraabar bishtar pool daare), na niroo be Iran mifreste, na komaki be eghtesaade dolati mikone...hichi. Yani dar vaagheh tamaame in theoriye "jabahaat ol Bisavadeen" too ISP, pashme. Hich zir banaaye manteghi o vaaghei nadaare. In vasat Assad va Sooriye tanhaa noghteye moshtarakeshoon baa IR, hezbollahe lobnaan hast, ke IR be Assad ehtiaaj daare ke betoone az tarighe transit be Hezbollah komake maali o taslihaati bokone. Hamin! Haalaa bebinim age Assad nabaashe chi mishe. Hichi nemishe, IR hichi az dast nemide, hamoon melliyoon haa dollari va aslahe haai ro ke mikhaast be Hezbollah bedaro mizaare too jibesh, mide be Hamas to Felestin. Vasallam naameh tamam.

Vaase IR aab az aab tekoon nemikhore age Assad nabaashe, in haroom zaadeh haaye IR chon ajnabi hastan o eslaame shie ro mohem tar az iran midoonan faghat donbaale ye raahi hastan ke be hezbollahe lobnan ke shie hastan komak konan. Age natoonan, sahme hezbollah ro ham midan be Hamas too felestin va chon sonni hastan be dasteshoon khaahad resid.

In vaagheyate mahze in mantaghast. Assad chon komake asaasi be IR nakarde va fagaht az in nazar ke ham inaa shiie hastan ham oonaa be IR rooye khosh neshoon daade, pas vaaghean bood o naboodesh hich rabti be bood o nabood e IR nadaare. Yani in "jabahaat ol bisavaadeen" too ISP, hattaa in bahaanashoon ham koso shere birabti bish naboode va asaasan fagaht enghadr invar oonvar dar mahaafele bisavaade irooni dahan be dahan shode ke haminjoori bedoone inke inaa hichvaght az khodeshoon porside baashan ke cheraa Assad raftanesh vaase Iran khoobe, baavar kardan o hamin koso shero miaan injaa ham be khorde baghiye midan.

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gofte مرد بودم، اینجا از هیچ mozakhrafe بی paaye O birabti nemigzaram، esme پست konandash harchi mikhaad باشه، پسر khaaleye harki هام mikhaad باشه. Taa injaash dahane یه seritoon چرب shode، فقط تو دیگه vaasatoon لبخند O koso shero harfaaye birabt O bahs RO haashiye keshidan moondeh. تک Haalaa انسان را و bahaane haa O mozakhrafaati RO که از روی bisavaadio NAA paakiye mahz khorde در مردم midid RO، miaam بع بع منطق O dalil kenaar mizanam. Mikhaam oonaai که saal haa koso شعر birabt goftan O enghad زیر baghaleshoon hendoone gozaashtin O تقدیر O tamjideshoon kardid تو باد کاردان O vaaghean fekr mikonan pokhi بودن RO هام اون baadeshoon RO bekhaaboonam و khaabide میشه، taa وقتی که یکی از shomaa haa bisavaadaa natoonin دست raasto chapetoono از ژامبون tashkhis bedin O zerraaye kessaaye digaro اینجا balghoor konid bedoone inke اون mokhaaye koochiketoono kaar bendaazin، همیشه nokar O sharmandeye vaagheyat و منطق khaahid بود.

مرد mibinam ایالات متحده، ناتو، عربستان سعودی با استفاده از وحشی ترین تروریست های القاعده مانند که "Jabahat است Nusra" در ghasd که taghriban aakharin نقطه haaye در hanooz که mantagharo toosh کامی شرف، ensaaniat vojood sekularism daare RO khafe KONE. بیش از حد در سایت، abzaare kaare هامون ایالات متحده و ناتو شما mosht bisavaadan که میشه beheshoon goft "Jabahaat است Bisavaadeen". در این جنگ نیابتی آمریکا به رهبری، هیچ تفاوت واقعی بین "است jabahaat Nusra" و "Jabahaat است Bisavaadeen" وجود دارد. سابق است که بازوی نظامی ارتجاع و عقب ماندگی اسلامی، دومی بازوی تبلیغاتی از همان است. dalil سدیم Oonaa haalishoon میشه، شرف سدیم، سدیم رحم سدیم منطق، سدیم aazaadi، .... haa shomaa bisavaad haa ژامبون haminid، TOO سایبری جهان سدیم منطق haalitoon میشه، سدیم fahmesho daarid، سدیم sharafesho سدیم، سدیم sedaaghatesho mardoonegisho سدیم اصلان vojoodesho است.

و مرد cheraa inke inaaro میگم.

مرد yaadame وقتی tako در زمان tazaahoraat بیش از حد sooriye anjaam mishod، یه سری از همین jamaa'ate bisavaad، miyoomad اشک temsaah vaase mardome sooriye mirikht. یه dafe خشم ensaaniateshoon گل karde بود O migoftan، نوتردام mardome sooriye گرم تو daaran vaase دموکراسی mijangan، bezanan در اسعد khoonkhaar RO از beyn bebaran. اون مرد moghe mikhandidam ...

مرد و ژامبون اینجا Haalaa بده gozashte چند یک saalo چند maah، در moshakhas shode، shodane moshakhash در jaryaan komak کردم که Kheyr. tanhaa سدیم در سلفی تکفیری haai که از chechni، torkiye، افغانستان، پاکستان، ترکمنستان، bosni، arabestan، یمن، آهنگ، لیبی ... alaan daaran alanan بع بع اصل haaye amrikaai که بیش از حد torkiye beheshoon تحویل المیدان بع بع کردن مردم O dolate sekulare sooriye mijangan، balke هامون tazaahoraate avaliye ژامبون hattaa ایدئولوژی O hadafesh "demokracie" bishtar naboode. Hichvaght naboodeh. هامون اول هام وقتی miyoomadan بیش از حد harfeshoon khiaaboon در boode که Sooriye ziaadi aazaade! Oonaa از هامون اول ژامبون oomade بودن بیش از حد khiaaboon که jeragheye اول RO bezanan، این جنگ پروکسی های آمریکایی تحمیل شده بر سوریه برنامه ریزی شده است مدتها پیش و هدف، در هیچ زمان بوده است دموکراسی به سوریه اما بیشتر اسلام و تخریب بیشتر اما لطفا سنی پرخاشگرانه، نوع سلفی. اما machinerie تبلیغات خود را هنوز هم بی شرمانه خواستار عملیات خود را در یک عملیات به آزاد سوریه و آنها دموکراسی به ارمغان بیاورد. تو که hamoonaai Inke haalaa daaran aslahe azashoon migiran، kheyli روشن O vaazeh میگن سدیم mikhaaim دموکراسی، سدیم aazaadi، فقط تو یک balke ommate خلیفه، زیر solteye shamshire eslaame wahabi O تکفیری، در جانب مهم دیگه. Injaaro دیگه ziaad مو رو از maast nemikeshan که taa momkene در gandesh nayaad. ولی oomade.

بیل، در اسد در dalil keshvaresh RO می شود و khaako خون keshidan چون شما OMR khodesh و pedaresh moghaabele ekhvaan OL moslemin jangide، baraaye طلاب haa مسجد هست، baraa shie haa مسجد هست، baraaye yahoodi haa synanog هست، baraaye مسیحی haa kelisaa هست و baraaye aragh خورشت هام aragh هست. در gonaahesh tamaame boode.

Haalaa bisavaadaani تو همین چند maah پیش، سدیم، پتاسیم، اصلان همین چند روز پیش miyoomadan vaase mardome سوریه و jangeshoon baraaye demokracy اشک temsaah mirikhtan، Haalaa که kaamelan vaazeh shode که در اون vasat اسد E که لیبرال boode، و mardomesh RO AZ HAR gheshr O مذهبی تو بودن RO بیش از حد kaaraashoon aazaad gozaashteh، و در طرفی haa، yani ایالات متحده و ناتو مورد حمایت سلفی تروریست بودن تو mikhaan اصلان لیبرالیسم O سکولاریسم RO rishasho bekanan، چون بی maaye و بی vojood hastan، haalaa miaan باشد jaaye inke شروع eshtebaah kardim، در vaaghean کشور و keaafat kaariye chenin chenin mellati RO در روز andaakhtan، میان eyne aghaaye Motori میگن: اصلان tokhmam که بیش از حد بچه zano sooriye O javoone مردم RO mikoshan O baalaa sareshoon SE baar تکبیر میگن چون bichaare haa shie بودن، طلاب بودن hattaa (فقط تو متوسط ​​بودن، fahmide بودن که اسد E علوی baaz بع بع طلاب haaye آدم behtare taa در طلاب haaye تروریستی)، آرمانی بودن، کرد بودن، مسیحی بودن، yahoodi بودن ... عدل، ishoon mige سن manfeate mardome ایران (که بهشت ​​mige کشور من LOL) raftane اسد باشه، باشد tokhmame که oonjaa نسل koshi میشه yaa نمیشه. Baraaye در jomleh، از اینجا ishoon miaad 5 taa bisavaade دیگه "مانند" هم migire. inke Haalaa در چه حرف taa gheyre ensaani، taa چه kasif O palide RO مرد kaari baahaash nadaaram چون nemikhaam beram بیش از حد ghesmate ensaanish، mikhaam نشون تو در sohbat ishoon hattaa از nazare manteghi ژامبون koso sheri bish naboodeh و manfeat، بهبودی و behrooziye mardome ایران اسد هیچ rabti nadaashte O nadaare و فقط تو حرف mitoone از dahane یک bisavaade siaasi oonam از نو tamaam ayaaresh biroon biaad.


Khob، O tajziye tahlilesh mikonim bebinim بودن yaa naboodane اسد چه rabti mitoone sarneveshte mellate ایران daashteh باشه. اصلان بریم از اول negaah konim bebinim در اسد چه kaar karde، که در "Jabahaat Bisavadeen OL" E ایرونی بیش از حد در سایت، fekr mikonan سن bere ایران و mellate ایران vazeshoon اتوماتیک behtar میشه.

Javaabesh vaagheh در kheyli aasoone. هیچ kaari nakarde، و بود و naboodesh هیچ rabti بهبودی O behrooziye mardome ایران nadaare. در در jamaa خوردند چون اسد bisavaad mige refighe خشم، سن bere، IR zaif شه O BLA BLA ..

اسد baraaye inke بود و naboodesh boodo naboode IR rabti daashteh باشه baayad هر haal یه komake بزرگی yaa شود eghtesaad، yaa به ارتش yaa باشد نیرو haaye sarkoobe IR bokone. در فقط تو در تو مدیا آدم mitoone مدیا manteghi bege عدل، در Assade khoonkhaar میلیارد miliard komake maali IR mikone، sepaahiaashoono talim mide، تو که سن ناد kolle سپاه falaj شه (!) ... tamaame javaabe در soaal haa manfiye. اسد، سدیم komake maali IR mikone (چون khode IR 100 baraabar bishtar استخر daare)، سدیم نیرو mifreste ایران، سدیم کمکی eghtesaade دولتی mikone ... هیچ چی. Yani vaagheh در tamaame در theoriye "Bisavadeen jabahaat OL" بیش از حد ISP، pashme. هیچ زیر banaaye manteghi O vaaghei nadaare. در vasat اسد و Sooriye tanhaa noghteye moshtarakeshoon بع بع IR، hezbollahe lobnaan هست، که IR اسد ehtiaaj daare که betoone از tarighe حمل و نقل می شود حزب الله komake maali O taslihaati bokone. همین! Haalaa bebinim سن اسد nabaashe چی میشه. هیچ چی نمیشه، IR هیچ چی از دست nemide، هامون melliyoon haa dollari و aslahe haai RO که mikhaast حزب الله bedaro mizaare بیش از حد jibesh، mide حماس در فلسطین است. تمام Vasallam naameh.

Vaase IR AAB از AAB tekoon nemikhore سن اسد nabaashe، در haroom zaadeh haaye IR چون ajnabi hastan O eslaame shie RO مهم تار AZ در ایران midoonan فقط تو donbaale شما راهی hastan که hezbollahe lobnan که shie hastan komak konan. سن natoonan، sahme حزب الله RO ژامبون المیدان بیش از حماس فلسطین و چون طلاب hastan dasteshoon khaahad resid.

در mahze vaagheyate در mantaghast. اسد چون komake asaasi IR nakarde و fagaht از در نظر تو ژامبون inaa shiie hastan ژامبون oonaa IR روی خوش نشون daade، پاس vaaghean بود و naboodesh هیچ rabti بود نبود O E IR nadaare. Yani "bisavaadeen jabahaat OL" بیش از حد ISP، hattaa در شعر koso bahaanashoon ژامبون birabti bish naboode و asaasan fagaht enghadr invar oonvar در mahaafele bisavaade ایرونی دهن دهن shode که haminjoori بدون inke inaa hichvaght از khodeshoon porside baashan که cheraa اسد raftanesh vaase ایران khoobe ، O baavar کاردان همین koso shero miaan اینجا ژامبون khorde baghiye المیدان.

 

[world2005]

what a clown show

 

[masoudA]

If you are an Iranian under 40 years old - I can't blame you.........but if you are over that age, and you still can't draw parallels between what happened in Iran in 1978....and what is taking place in Egypt, Syria....... then you need to give up even thinking about politics......

 

[deerouz]

Biaa! yani age be in mamlekat hamle konan man baayad kenaare chenin mojoode tookhaali o foroo maayeii eyne in baba vaisaam!

Strange, considering that a couple of years ago on this forum you were justifying Saddam's invasion of Iran. So were exactly are you "standing"?

 

[deerouz]

I have no doubt that the rebellion in Syria is funded by Wahhabis in Qatar and most likely will result in a worse regime there; and I have no doubt that their next target will be Iraq and Lebanon too. However the solution is not to form a "Shia crescent" and position Iran as the main front in the Shia-Sunni war. Instead, a secular government in Iran that can seal its border to the Arab world and does not meddle there will provide a much more secure future for Iran. Let the Islamist world reap what it is sowing and stay out of it. The more IRI stays in power the danger of a Sunni Arab- Shia Iran confrontation will become more imminent.

 

[masoudA]

I have no doubt that the rebellion in Syria is funded by Wahhabis in Qatar and most likely will result in a worse regime there; and I have no doubt that their next target will be Iraq and Lebanon too. However the solution is not to form a "Shia crescent" and position Iran as the main front in the Shia-Sunni war. Instead, a secular government in Iran that can seal its border to the Arab world and does not meddle there will provide a much more secure future for Iran. Let the Islamist world reap what it is sowing and stay out of it. The more IRI stays in power the danger of a Sunni Arab- Shia Iran confrontation will become more imminent.

Deerouz jaan - You raise a good but hopeful perspective…..let me present a dim one!!

The Saudi Dream - a Sunni style Khalif government based in Riaz (like the one under Abbasids). Can you imagine what would happen to Iran under that scenario? The Brits and the American left are helping them get there….. each has it's own reasons....

 

[Iranpaak]

I have no doubt that the rebellion in Syria is funded by Wahhabis in Qatar and most likely will result in a worse regime there; and I have no doubt that their next target will be Iraq and Lebanon too. However the solution is not to form a "Shia crescent" and position Iran as the main front in the Shia-Sunni war. Instead, a secular government in Iran that can seal its border to the Arab world and does not meddle there will provide a much more secure future for Iran. Let the Islamist world reap what it is sowing and stay out of it. The more IRI stays in power the danger of a Sunni Arab- Shia Iran confrontation will become more imminent.

deerouz JAn, not sure if I agree with the bolded part. No one can live peacefully with a sharour neighbor; not matter how peaceable and non-interfering one is. Countries have long tried to influence their neighborhood and region for their security and their national interests. One cannot close his eyes and hope that the events of its neighbors will not spill over into his place. There has been a long and undeniable rivalry between the Iranians and Sunni Arabs in the region that any reasonable politician should seriously consider, bet it a secular or otherwise. Let's assume we had a secular regime Iran, do you really think that the Al Quaida or Salafis (sp) type would leave us (the infidels and worst than infidel bunch) alone after taking over Syria and Iraq?
My point general and is not about Syria or whether Assad should stay or go, my point is no country specially in our region can stay isolationist, and hope that will be respected by others people who are ruthless, lawless and savage.

 

[deerouz]

deerouz JAn, not sure if I agree with the bolded part. No one can live peacefully with a sharour neighbor; not matter how peaceable and non-interfering one is. Countries have long tried to influence their neighborhood and region for their security and their national interests. One cannot close his eyes and hope that the events of its neighbors will not spill over into his place. There has been a long and undeniable rivalry between the Iranians and Sunni Arabs in the region that any reasonable politician should seriously consider, bet it a secular or otherwise. Let's assume we had a secular regime Iran, do you really think that the Al Quaida or Salafis (sp) type would leave us (the infidels and worst than infidel bunch) alone after taking over Syria and Iraq?
My point general and is not about Syria or whether Assad should stay or go, my point is no country specially in our region can stay isolationist, and hope that will be respected by others people who are ruthless, lawless and savage.

IP jan, no doubt, but Iran (with or without IRI) has neither the resources nor the support to engage in such fight. A secular government in Iran with some sort of alliance with western world or secular central Asian states may be the only hope to withstand the assault. With regard to Salafists, they may not want to leave us infidels out of their sight, but their focus will be on securing the Sunni world and we can hope that as long as we don't get involved in intrigues outside our borders, over time they will run out of steam. In the mean time we should prepare ourselves to defend Khuzestan and Baluchestan against their assault, and this is not something the Shia IRI government can achieve anymore. The longer IRI remains in power, the more vulnerable we will become to this danger.

 

[Bi-honar]

Strange, considering that a couple of years ago on this forum you were justifying Saddam's invasion of Iran. So were exactly are you "standing"?

It looks to me that China's argument revolves around the overly simplistic, black or white, secular or non-secular lines. In his line of thinking, secular leaders like Assad, Saddam, Gadhafi are/were good regardless of their actions, and the struggles and aspirations of their people are irrelevant because they're religious. The human factor and the number of civilian casualties in these struggles (at least 50,000 civilians thus far in Syria) are also irrelevant because these great leaders are simply cleansing the world from religious vermin. I don't recall if he alluded to Hitler's extermination of the Jews before, but the extension of that line of thinking normally results in support of characters like Hitler too as the European Jews of the mid 20th century are often viewed in the same light as the ME Muslims of the early 21st century (religious vermin).

The part that really confuses me is how overtly he supports Islamists in Mali battling a democratically elected secular government! I suppose in that particular case, the crusade against Western "imperialism" in his mind, far outweighs the importance of even secularism. That would explain his obvious fear of the collapse of the Iran/Syria/Hezbollah "axis of resistance", despite Hezbollah and the Iranian regime's non-secular natures. He views Iranians and Syrians as a bunch of dumb "bisavad" religious idiots whose struggles are irrelevant in the bigger scheme of providing resistance to Zionism and Imperialism - same as the Iraqis under Saddam or Libyans under Gadhafi. If you've noticed, he doesn't like to talk about Mubarak and Ben Ali despite their secularism, because they were not anti-Western.

 

[deerouz]

Deerouz jaan - You raise a good but hopeful perspective…..let me present a dim one!!

The Saudi Dream - a Sunni style Khalif government based in Riaz (like the one under Abbasids). Can you imagine what would happen to Iran under that scenario? The Brits and the American left are helping them get there….. each has it's own reasons....

Masoud jan, I am not sure if I painted a hopeful picture. Actually I see the situation as extremely dim. An extremist religious government in Iran on the course of a bloody confrontation with a rising rival extremist religious movement next to it - it will end in destruction, bloodshed and even the danger of partitioning of our beloved country. Every minute IRI stays in power the situation becomes worse.

 

[deerouz]

It looks to me that China's argument revolves around the overly simplistic, black or white, secular or non-secular lines. In his line of thinking, secular leaders like Assad, Saddam, Gadhafi are/were good regardless of their actions, and the struggles and aspirations of their people are irrelevant because they're religious. The human factor and the number of civilian casualties in these struggles (at least 50,000 civilians thus far in Syria) are also irrelevant because these great leaders are simply cleansing the world from religious vermin. I don't recall if he alluded to Hitler's extermination of the Jews before, but the extension of that line of thinking normally results in support of characters like Hitler too as the European Jews of the mid 20th century are often viewed in the same light as the ME Muslims of the early 21st century (religious vermin).

The part that really confuses me is how overtly he supports Islamists in Mali battling a democratically elected secular government! I suppose in that particular case, the crusade against Western "imperialism" in his mind, far outweighs the importance of even secularism. That would explain his obvious fear of the collapse of the Iran/Syria/Hezbollah "axis of resistance", despite Hezbollah and the Iranian regime's non-secular natures. He views Iranians and Syrians as a bunch of dumb "bisavad" religious idiots whose struggles are irrelevant in the bigger scheme of providing resistance to Zionism and Imperialism - same as the Iraqis under Saddam or Libyans under Gadhafi. If you've noticed, he doesn't like to talk about Mubarak and Ben Ali despite their secularism, because they were not anti-Western.

BH jan; this guy has a history here. he is your typical 60-70s anti-imperialist Europe-based radical whose world has been shattered over the past three decades - Anti-imperialists have become bloody dictators, religious extremists have become anti-imperialists, former communist Utopias have become successful capitalists etc. So these guys take refuge in conspiracy theory articles from Thierry Meyssan and his ilk to hang on to their warped world view.

 

[Bi-honar]

deerouz JAn, not sure if I agree with the bolded part. No one can live peacefully with a sharour neighbor; not matter how peaceable and non-interfering one is. Countries have long tried to influence their neighborhood and region for their security and their national interests. One cannot close his eyes and hope that the events of its neighbors will not spill over into his place. There has been a long and undeniable rivalry between the Iranians and Sunni Arabs in the region that any reasonable politician should seriously consider, bet it a secular or otherwise. Let's assume we had a secular regime Iran, do you really think that the Al Quaida or Salafis (sp) type would leave us (the infidels and worst than infidel bunch) alone after taking over Syria and Iraq?
My point general and is not about Syria or whether Assad should stay or go, my point is no country specially in our region can stay isolationist, and hope that will be respected by others people who are ruthless, lawless and savage.

I didn't understand your post Safar jaan. Are you saying that Iran should be meddling in Syria's affairs at this point? I totally agree with your point that no country is an island and we can't be completely oblivious to what's going on around us, but I didn't understand whether you meant that should translate into action (overt or covert support) for some of these regimes?

 

[Iranpaak]

I didn't understand your post Safar jaan. Are you saying that Iran should be meddling in Syria's affairs at this point? I totally agree with your point that no country is an island and we can't be completely oblivious to what's going on around us, but I didn't understand whether you meant that should translate into action (overt or covert support) for some of these regimes?

Behru JAn, I am not saying that Iran should be meddling in Syria or any other country's affairs for that matter. My main point was that cannot close our eyes to what goes around us and hope for the best that others will not try to meddle in our affairs. I think you and deerouz agree on this; that was my main point.
There are ways and means that a country can protect its vital national interests and that is were diplomacy comes into play.

 

[Bi-honar]

^^^ Definitely. I'm in full agreement with that, particularly the diplomacy part.

 

[Behrooz_C]

I remember how the Syrian uprising started. It wasn't with violence but it was simple demonstrations in the streets. The demonstrators where brutally massacred by Assad's army. The footages of these is still available online and on youtube.

Yeah, sure now the resistence is dominated by Islamic fascists who want to overthrow Assad. But this should not make us forget the brutality of Assad's regime (a note out of his father's book by the way) which is indefensible. If we condemn one side for being brutal, surely we should condemn the other side too.

Here again we have the choice between bad and worse. Should bad be tolerated because the alternative is worse? Where have we heard this before?! Debate.

 

[#8]

I don’t see the situation as bleak as some of you guys. In Egypt & Tunisia secular forces are pushing Islamist back. The struggle in those two countries are by no means over. In Libya contrary to what most of us thought, outcome wasn't that bad. Islamists there, don’t have the upper hand. There are group of salafis in eastern Libya, including Ben Ghazi who are engaged in hit & run terrorist campaigns in absence of proper security forces & National army.
Syria is a different story. Very easily conflict there can spill-over to neighboring countries like Lebanon, Iraq & Jordan. Even Turkey may not be immune. The daily blood shed is terrible right now but you ain't seen nothing yet. Fall of Asad means biggest ethnic cleansing in the history of the middle -east. That’s the reason Asad & alvite along with other religious minorities will not give up. For them this is more about survival than sharing or giving up the power.

 

[Bi-honar]

^^^ #8 jaan, the "biggest ethnic cleansing in the history of the middle east" would be pretty bleak - unless you meant Assad will not fall? I hope there's a serious push for a negotiated solution soon, otherwise I can't see this ending well for the Syrians, even if the fall of Assad would be a serious blow to the IR and 50,000 less mozdoors on the streets of Tehran (that's allegedly the size of the IRGC task force being trained in Syria to continue exerting Iranian influence if Assad falls).

 

[#8]

^^^ #8 jaan, the "biggest ethnic cleansing in the history of the middle east" would be pretty bleak - unless you meant Assad will not fall? I hope there's a serious push for a negotiated solution soon, otherwise I can't see this ending well for the Syrians, even if the fall of Assad would be a serious blow to the IR and 50,000 less mozdoors on the streets of Tehran (that's allegedly the size of the IRGC task force being trained in Syria to continue exerting Iranian influence if Assad falls).

BH jan, I meant not bleak with respect to Egypt, Tunisia & Libya. I always thought negotiations are the best course of action in Syria. I am with you there. Big blunder by Asad for not going for reform when he had the opportunity & good will of people. Short of NATO's full invasion, I don't think Asad will fall. Also, I am not convinced Fall of Asad facilitate fall of IR. IR will lose great deal of influence & a base there but it won't change things for our people. If some of us think without Asad & Hezoballa in Lebanon, Israel or USA will attack Iran, we are mistaken. It's not gonna happen.

 

[masoudA]

Guys,

Nobody on this site has ever had more fights and ugly exchanges with China than I did – but here I must stand up for him. First of all, I don’t quiet recall the exact quote – but I can’t believe China or anyone defended Sadam’s attack on Iran. Myself have been the victim of taking “words out of context”, have been blamed here for wanting bombs dropped on the Iranian population!!! So please don’t go that route with China or anyone – anytime I see someone claiming a member saying this or that several years ago – the only thing that comes to my mind is “Kam Avordan” of one side. Besides – any one of us could have said something in the past that we changed our minds about.
But as far as this China character (who calls everyone a bisavad), being an old anti Imperialist leftist still fighting a dead war……I kind of agree. However, I do like to digest the whole Imperialist thing a bit. I am sure most of you liberal guys shied away from reading the Indian/American university professor Dinesh D’Souza book or the movie Obama 2016. If you did not – do it now. In it, there was a segment about how 100 years ago all popular uprisings and revolutions were against Colonialism – against countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain, Russia,…….., Later and gradually this war was turned against Imperialism,……..and eventually towards Capitalism – making America the sole bad guy in the world!!!, itself a victim of colonialism!!! Go figure.

Now here is the question – what do you think Imperialism is? Here is a simplistic definition by Wiki: Imperialism, is "the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination."………

Now what is wrong with being against Imperialism? If fighting against Imperialism is fighting against those who start wars to sell arms, or those who sit in Europe and prescribe a theocracy for a whole nation, or two countries who sign a treaty dividing resources of another country……..then why stop fighting real Imperialism, or call it a dead cause?

But most importantly – to me ideologies are dime a dozen, and talk is cheap – I dilike herding and blind support or opposition to anything and anyone. I also think nobody is perfect and all can be wrong on any given day on any given issues…….However, one aspect I truly admire about individuals is being a free spirited (Azadegi) - somebody who lives without regard to what convention dictates or what others expect……You got to give it to him….China has that…..and we need more like him. I do also wish he would stop being so stubborn with his farsiglish, and stop calling others bisavad as if Aflatoon and Oghlidos were his apprentices!!! Lol :wave: