Iran unveils unusually colored blue submarine

May 9, 2004
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#61
LOOOL at this thread :) It was suppose to be funny :)

خیلی برام جالبه که اینجا اکثر بچه ها مهندس هستن وفوق مهندسی داران یا حتا دکترا . خیلی ها از شریف و حتا دانشگاه های بسیار معتبر تر در دنیا . خیلی از آقایون مهندس مقاله نوشتن واسه مجلهای علمی و ... حتا بضی از ان ها پتنت هم داران و سالهای سال است که در معتبرترین کمپانیهای ایران و اروپا وامریکا و کانادا کار میکنن. حالا این جماعت نمیاد اینجا بلف بزنه و ادعا بکنه که مهندسین ایرانی بالاترین در دنیا هستن و ما این هستیم و ان هستیم و این کارو میکنیم تو ایران و این کارو کردیم تو ایران و ... اما یک بچه طلبه جلقی که نمیدونه مهندس رو با چه س مینویسن میاد اینجا لاف مهندسین ایرانی رو میزنه . اخه تخمم تو حلق ان ناموست که رو نداری . اینجا ١٠٠ تا استاد و مهندس ایرانی نشستن و هیچی نمیگن حالا توی عمله .آمدی و حرف از مهندسی میزنی . بگذریم که عمر آدمی کوتاه است واسه چو چول بازی با این ابله ها ، حالا ننه و خواهر اونا یک چیزی
جناب
اولا این تخمی رو که میخواهی دهن این و اون بگذاری نگهدار برای اونی که تخم و بالا تخم سهمیه ایشان است
والا اگر بخواهید تخم ناقابلتان را دهن این و اون بگذارید انوقت ان بیچاره مجبور می شود برود و تخم کس دیگری را بخورد
دوم از ان شما این ترید را برای خنده گذاشتید ؟
نه بابا
پس چرا تو فوروم ریلاکسیشن یا ترید جوک پست نکردید و امدی تو فوروم سیاسی زدی ؟
سوم
معتبرترین کمپانی ها و همه مهندس هستند و نمی دانم دکتر و پرفسور یعنی چه ؟
تو خیلی ناشیانه امدی و از رنگ زیر دریایی که چند تا بچه امریکایی احمق کامنت های مضحک در مورد ان نوشته اند خرده گرفته ای
در صورتی که اگر یه جو عقل تو کلت بود می دانستی که این موضوع مهمی نیست و می توان در عرض نیم ساعت ان را تغییر داد
و اگر فسفوری است برای نشان دادن ان است
چهارم
تو چرا این همه خودت رو ناراحت می کنی اخه مگر کمپانی زیر دریایی سازی داشتی الان نونت سنگ شده ؟
ایران هواپیمای ارکیو امریکایی را نشوند و صحیح و سالم در دست گرفت تو امدی و چرت و پرت نوشتی و از غصه اروغ می زدی الان هم انقدر ناراحت شدی و جر خوردی که امدی
موضوع را شخصی کردی و تخمت رو می خواهی بگذاری دهن این و اون
خلاصه از ما نصیحت تخمت رو به این و اون نده مواظب باش چون بعد کمبود تخم باعث میشه اونی که تخم جنابعالی را لازم داره بره و تخم این و اون رو بخوره
از ما گفتن از تو نشنیدن

بله جانم
 

shahinc

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May 8, 2005
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#63

خلاصه از ما نصیحت تخمت رو به این و اون نده مواظب باش چون بعد کمبود تخم باعث میشه اونی که تخم جنابعالی را لازم داره بره و تخم این و اون رو بخوره
از ما گفتن از تو نشنیدن

بله جانم

ای کاش این نصیحت را به بابا خدا بیا مورزت میکردی که اینطوری ننت قبال گردنه نصف مردهای قم نمیشد . حالا هم نگران سهم آینده خواهرت نباش . سهم ان دوشیزه نازنین اینجا محفوظ است . ما هر چی داریم تخم و بالای تخم . طلبه که نیستیم که توخممون را کشیده باشن . زن و دختر و خواهر و مادر جنرال پارسیان و تمام ارتش حزب مهر هم بخورن بنده به شما، اسماعیل عزیزم ، شوفر جون تضمین میکنم که خواهر شما در آینده هیچ وقت گشنه و تشنه نمیمونه . صحرای کربلا هم که باشه ، خودم میشم عباس الم ,
دار وبا الم استکبار جهانی نیازهای این خواهر مسلمان رو جواب گو میشم
 

shahinc

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#64
حالا شما بیا اینجا جلوی مهندسین و اساتید ایرانی ، کمی لاف برتری مهندسین ایرانی رو بزن
 

IEI

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#65
جناب
من نگفتم که ایران شده سویس
یکی امده و ترید زده که این زیر دریایی اله است و بله است
ما گفتیم هرچه باشه از توپ پلاستکی و واجبی فرد اعلا و افتابه پلاستیکی بهتره
همین و بس
والا ایران کجا امریکا و روسیه و کشورهای غربی کجا حالا حالا ما باید بدویم تا به گرد انها برسیم
البته خود همین دویدن باز خوب است
بهتر از ان است که بشینیم و دست روی دست بگذاریم تا لقمه نانی از دست ارباب بیافتد و گیر ما بیاید


متشکرم
According to your threads, you are really happy with the current situation and generally really proud of the individuals that are trying to push the boundaries of science in Iran.

I have a suggestion for you:
You seem to be a very wealthy man (according to you), driving a Ferrari and easily buy antiques,
why don't you write a 50,000 cheque to some Professor or university department in Sharif University ? That money can pay for 2-3 students in the field of nano-technology to do research for 4 years.
Do this, and we in the ISP community will respect your ideology ... otherwise you are not anything more than a hypocrite ...
 

Zob Ahan

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Feb 4, 2005
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#66
I would have them paint it yellow and then sing along:
[video=youtube_share;WbmFTK4t3JU]http://youtu.be/WbmFTK4t3JU[/video]
 

Agha Shojaa

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Nov 8, 2002
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#67
Now go and be proud that your charpayeh arj has been replaced by a piece of shit submarine. Reedam beh hezbeh mehr va esmaeil azarakhsh va oon dayousi keh claim kard keh esmaeil azarakhsheh.

I cried over this...simply heartbreaking. I wish I had the heart to post the pictures to show the extent of this incident.


۳۴ دختر دبستانی در شهرستان پیرانشهر طعمه آتش شدند. به گزارش کردپرس از پیرانشهر، این آتش سوزی در ساعت حدود ۳۰/ ۸ صبح امروز چهارشنبه ۱۵ آذرماه در پی نشت نفت از بخاری مدرسه و منفجر شدن آن رخ داد که متاسفانه باعث شد تا ۳۴ تن از دانش آموزان کلاس چهارم مدرسه دخترانه انقلاب اسلامی شین آباد بشدت دچار آتش سوزی شوند. پس از وقوع آتش سوزی، تمامی دانش آموزان توسط همکاران مدرسه و اهالی شین آباد در اسرع وقت به ارژانس بیمارستان امام خمینی پیرانشهر اعزام شدند. به گفته یک منبع بیمارستانی حال ۱۲ نفر از دانش آموزان وخیم گزارش شده است که با توجه به اطلاع رسانی فوری و درخواست کمک از پایگاههای امداد و نجات شهرستانهای جنوبی استان آذربایجانغربی از جمله اشنویه – نقده- سردشت- مهاباد کار اعزام آنان به یبمارستانهای استان انجام گرفته و تمامی کادر پزشکی و اورژانسهای بیماستانهای استان بحالت آماده باش در آمده اند. تمامی دانش آموزان در مقطع چهارم ابتدایی مشغول به تحصیل بودند. مدرسه ابتدایی دخترانه شین آباد دارای بافت قدیمی بوده که هنوز در آن برای گرم نگه داشتن کلاسهای آموزشی از بخاریهای با سوخت نفت استفاده میشود.
 
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Behrooz_C

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#68
دختر بچه صبح بفرستی بره مدرسه، ظهر 50 درصد سوخته شو تحویل بگیری، شب 20:30 از ساخت زیردریایی و ضریح متحرک خبر پخش کنه واست
یک عده گوساله هم بیان اینجا به به و چه چه کنن برات. چه قدر زور داره؟
...
 
May 9, 2004
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#69

ای کاش این نصیحت را به بابا خدا بیا مورزت میکردی که اینطوری ننت قبال گردنه نصف مردهای قم نمیشد . حالا هم نگران سهم آینده خواهرت نباش . سهم ان دوشیزه نازنین اینجا محفوظ است . ما هر چی داریم تخم و بالای تخم . طلبه که نیستیم که توخممون را کشیده باشن . زن و دختر و خواهر و مادر جنرال پارسیان و تمام ارتش حزب مهر هم بخورن بنده به شما، اسماعیل عزیزم ، شوفر جون تضمین میکنم که خواهر شما در آینده هیچ وقت گشنه و تشنه نمیمونه . صحرای کربلا هم که باشه ، خودم میشم عباس الم ,
دار وبا الم استکبار جهانی نیازهای این خواهر مسلمان رو جواب گو میشم
کیف میکنم وقتی میبینم یکی مثل تو رو اینجوری حالش رو میگیرم تا این اندازه ک*نش سوخته که مجبور بشه دهنش کف بیاره و فحاشی کنه
:10:
هی تخم و نمی انم خواهر و ماردرت و ارتش و حزب نکن
اومدی یه ترید زدی ریدی و بعد از دو سه روز خبر اومد که همانهایی که این زیر دریایی رو ساختند هواپیمای اربابت رو هم اوردن پایین درست مثل پارسال
از این حالگیری تر نمیشد بخدا
حالا بیا بگو تخمم و ک*رم و نمی دونم ک*نم
هیچ چیزی رو عوض نخواهد کرد
 
May 9, 2004
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#70
According to your threads, you are really happy with the current situation and generally really proud of the individuals that are trying to push the boundaries of science in Iran.
...
نگاه کن دوست عزیز
من هیچ جا و هیچوقت نگفتم طرفدار رژیم هستم باز برای صدمین بار میگم من بلانسنت جنابعالی ر*دم تو اول و اخر رژیم
شما مشکلتون اینه که ایران و ایرانی و دانشمندان ایرانی و خاک ایران و سیاست و علم و دانش و ادبیات و تاریخ و فرهنگ و مردم کوچه و بازار و همه و همه را در رژیم ادغام می کنی و انوقت اگر مثلا یک فیلم یک پژوهش یک کتاب یک هواپیما یک ناو یا هر چیز دیگری در ایران ساخته شد که افتخار اور باشه چون هرچی در ایران است رو مربوط به رژیم می دونی برات ناگواره
شاید شما نه ولی چند نفر رو شخصا می شناسم که از دوستهای نزدیک هم هستند حتی برد تیم ملی ایران انها را نارحت میکنه
چون به نظر انها این به رژیم کمک میکنه که تبلیغ کنه
المپیک همین سال غصه می خوردند چرا ایران این همه طلا گرفته !!!ا
باور میکنید ؟
خوب شمال و بقیه هم تقریبا یک چنین افکاری رو دارید
اگر من امدم گفتم دمشون گرم دارو ساختند دمشون گرم ناو ساختند دمشون گرم انقدر پیشرفت کرده اند که هواپیما امریکایی رو می نشونند
ناراحت می شوید
دوست دارید بیایم و عکس خانه های ویران در ایران رو بزنم
همانطور که گفتم مشکل شما این است که همه چیز را به رژیم ربط می دهید
درست مثل اینکه در زمان فلان سلطان که خیام معادلات ریاضی را حل می کرد یکی ناراحت بشود که چرا خیام در کشور ما وجود داره تا سلطان تبلیغ کنه که بله مملکت رو ساخته ام
یا اقای اکس از پرفسور حسابی ناراحت بشه چون در زمان شاه بوده و جناب اقای اکس از شاه خوشش نمی امده
من از پیشرفت ایرانیها خوشنود می شوم
رژیم رفت رژیم کمونیست بیاد باز خوشنود می شوم
رفت سکولار امد شاه امد گدا امد باز خوشحال می شوم
ربطی به رژیم و اخوند و شاه و فکل و کراوات ندارد به دانشمندان ایرانی افتخار میکنم شما همه چیز را می خواهید از یک زاویه ببینید
مملکت خراب بشود تا بگویید بله اخوند بد است
مملکت اباد شود ناراحت می شوید چون از نظر شما ابادی مملکت و پیشرفت مردم و دانشمندان ایرانی یعنی تبلیغ برای اخوند
من در این نکته با شما مخالفم

I have a suggestion for you:
You seem to be a very wealthy man (according to you), driving a Ferrari and easily buy antiques,
why don't you write a 50,000 cheque to some Professor or university department in Sharif University ? That money can pay for 2-3 students in the field of nano-technology to do research for 4 years.
Do this, and we in the ISP community will respect your ideology ... otherwise you are not anything more than a hypocrite ...
جناب
اولا من اگر بخواهم کار خیری بکنم دوست ندارم پز بدهم وکسی را با خبر کنم
دوم از ان همین رژیم پست فطرت انقدر از املاک من و اجداد من خورده که برای هفت پشتش بس است
من اگر فردا این رژیم برگردد هر رژیمی بیاید روی کار
بجز یک رژیم نوکر صفت که برخی از اشخاص اینجا همان بوی نوکری غرب را میدهند و احساس بردگی در برابر غربی ها میکنند را قبول دارم
هر رژیمی
حداقل انوقت شاید بتوانم به سرزمینم برگردم
من از این گروه هایی که برخی از تفاله های انها در این سایت و ان سایت پست میکنند بیشتر از رژیم اخوندی متنفرم
اینها نوکر صفت هستند
احساس حقارت میکنند
اگر کسی گفت ایرانی ساخته برایشان قابل قبول نیست
کره شمالی ساخته چون عقل کره شمالی ها بهتر از ایرانی ها وهست و ایرانی ها عقل وخرد ندارند
ایرانی هیچ چیزی نمی تواند بسازد ایرانی احمق است ایرانی باید تابع غربی ها باشد
اگر دانشمند ایرانی کاری کرد دروغ است
اینها بلف می زنند چون ممکن نیست ایرانی عقل و هوش ساختن داشته باشد
اینگونه افراد را باید به زباله دان انداخت چون نه تنها حقیر هستند بلکه باعث می شوند ایرانی خود را تحقیر کند و همیشه احساس بردگی گند
ایرانی که نیمی از جهان شناخته شده زیر سم اسبانش بوده
ایرانی که ابن سیناها و زکریاها و فارابی ها و خیام ها را در دامن خود پرورانده
اینگونه افراد که فکر میکنند ایرانی نمی تواند کاری کند و اگر ماهواره فرستاد کره ای بوده اگر هواپیما را نشاند خود هواپیما خراب بوده اگر زیر دریایی ساخت می خندند
اینها را باید به زباله دان انداخت
زیرا نه تنها خود حقیر هستند بلکه ایرانی را تحقیر می کنند
هزاران بار هواپیماهای امریکایی در صومال و پاکستان وافغانستان عملیات انجام داد
تا ایران یکی از انها را بوسیله بازوی قدرتمند دانشمندان ایرانی پایین اورد امدند و گفتند بنزین تمام کرده خراب شده
اخه مگر هواپیمای ارباب را می توان نشاند
ان هم ایرانی بنشاند ؟ ممکن نیست
بله از نظر اینها ممکن نیست اربابشان هواپیما بسازد و ایرانی انرا تسخیر کند
اخه اربابی گفتند نوکری گفتند
خلاص نمی شود
اگر کسی گفت می شود مزدور است خائن است باید فحشش داد
من ایندسته افراد را تحقیر میکنم زیرا اینها خودشان دانسته یا ندانسته خود را تحقیر میکنند


بله جانم

 

Behrooz_C

Elite Member
Dec 10, 2005
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#71
هیچکی مثل خودت از کونسوزی رنج نمیبره، وقتی میبینی دیگران اینجا به قول خودت از پیشرفت ایرانیها ناراحت میشن. هزار بار اینو تکرار کردی

ای کونت میسوزه، ای میسوزه


:p
 

shahinc

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May 8, 2005
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#72
کیف میکنم وقتی میبینم یکی مثل تو رو اینجوری حالش رو میگیرم تا این اندازه ک*نش سوخته که مجبور بشه دهنش کف بیاره و فحاشی کنه
:10:
هی تخم و نمی انم خواهر و ماردرت و ارتش و حزب نکن
اومدی یه ترید زدی ریدی و بعد از دو سه روز خبر اومد که همانهایی که این زیر دریایی رو ساختند هواپیمای اربابت رو هم اوردن پایین درست مثل پارسال
از این حالگیری تر نمیشد بخدا
حالا بیا بگو تخمم و ک*رم و نمی دونم ک*نم
هیچ چیزی رو عوض نخواهد کرد

LOOOOOL , Haji khili giji​

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عزیزم تو حماقت و کس خلی و احمق بودنت فقط مارو میخندونه و اگه ٤ تا هم بهت میندازم واسه خنده هاست دلقک جون ، تو خیلی کوچولو تر از این حرفا هستی
تو که بطور کلی توی دنیای هپروت زندگی میکنی ، اینم روش .
ارباب ، فکر کردی اینجا کویت است که ما ارباب داشته باشیم . ون تو هستی که واسه یک لقمه نون ، دآری نوکری عرب ها رو میکنی . اره عزیزم، تو تو همون علم هپروت باش دلقک جون
 
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Ignore the term "Arabian Gulf" used by the author and read the content and note the references. I doubt any of these authors or experts being on the payroll of IR.

http://www.understandingwar.org/reference/fact-sheet-irans-submarine-force


FACT SHEET: IRAN'S SUBMARINE FORCE
Jun 21, 2012 - Christopher Harmer


The Iranian military has acquired a large, capable, and growing submarine force. Industrial developments in Iran in the last month have increased the readiness and lethality of the Iranian submarine force. This fact sheet provides a brief analysis of the Iranian submarine fleet and its potential future capabilities.

Tactical Advantage of Submarines in the Arabian Gulf

Submarines are a significant measure of naval combat power. Because submarines are difficult to detect and track, unlike surface ships or aircraft, they have a strategic advantage that distinguishes elite naval powers. In the confined and shallow waters of the Arabian Gulf, the ability to deploy submarines effectively threatens surface vessels that are channeled into narrow Sea Lines of Communication (the technical term for shipping lanes) by depth, underwater obstacles, oil and gas wells, and territorial boundaries. Because these Lines of Communication force commercial and military vessels to travel defined and predictable routes with minimal deviation, submarines can easily ambush surface traffic in the Arabian Gulf, especially in the Strait of Hormuz where a Traffic Separation Scheme clearly delineates a shipping lane that ships must comply with.1

In contrast to the US Navy, which uses nuclear submarines, the Iranian Navy uses diesel electric submarines. While diesel submarines have limited range, they are virtually undetectable unless they are moving. Diesel electric submarines lying in wait to execute an ambush have a tactical advantage against the ships they target and ships that target them.2 Advantageous positions from which a submarine might attack channeled surface vessels are abundant within the boundaries of Iran’s territorial waters, which mean they are capable of executing a first strike from a protected position.

Iran not only possesses a strategically significant submarine capability, but it has also demonstrated the ability to fashion its own submarine technology and execute substantive repairs to the Soviet Kilo class submarines within its fleet, which are approaching twenty years of service with Iran.3 The ability of Iran to accomplish complex overhauls of its Soviet era submarines through the Iran Shipbuilding & Offshore Industries Complex (ISOICO) in Bandar Abbas will significantly extend the lifespan of these large submarines.4



Strait of Hormuz showing confined shipping lanes (Wikimedia Commons)

Why Iran’s Submarine Force Matters

Taken as a whole, Iran’s military has a limited ability to project power against the Arab states of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), located on the western and southern edges of the Arabian Gulf. In particular, the Iranian Air Force is limited in size and quality and is primarily comprised of U.S. aircraft purchased in the 1970s, including F-4, F-5, and F-14 models, as well as a few older models of the Russian MIG-29.5 While these aircraft can still fly, they are old, require a lot of maintenance, and are not capable of sustained combat operations.

In contrast, the GCC states—Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates—have equipped their militaries with modern fighter aircraft, including F-15, F-16, and F-18 models, as well as modern European aircraft including the Eurofighter Typhoon.6

Because of this regional disadvantage, Iran’s best military option against the GCC exists at sea. None of the GCC states have submarines, leaving Iran as the only regional power with a submarine force.7 Iran’s submarine force, equipped with torpedoes, cruise missiles, and mines, represents a significant threat to the free flow of commercial shipping through the Strait of Hormuz. Commercial vessels traveling through the Strait of Hormuz are a strategic target, as oil exports through the Strait are the financial lifeline for the GCC. In this sense, commercial shipping vessels are better targets for Iran than GCC or U.S. warships. More importantly, the ability to threaten all surface traffic through the Strait provides Iran the ability to build an effective blockade. Iranian leaders have publicly stated that they are prepared to close the Strait of Hormuz to deny GCC states oil revenues. In December 2011, Ahmad Alam Al-Hoda, a member of the Iranian Assembly of Experts, said, “Do not doubt that Iran has the capability to blockade the UAE and Saudi tankers departing for Europe via the Strait of Hormuz.”8

Recent Industrial Base Developments

Iran’s submarine capability also signifies the degree of sophistication of their military industrial base. Iran can manufacture a wide array of ships, ranging in size from small patrol boats to long range destroyers. Submarines are more difficult to manufacture and repair than surface ships, and recent developments confirm that Iran possesses this capability. The Iranian industrial base is producing small submarines at a rate of four to five per year, and in May 2012 completed the complex overhaul of the Kilo class submarine “Tareq.” This is the first time Iran has completed a complex overhaul of a large submarine, and it is a precursor to producing large submarines.9 This new capability to produce and repair large submarines reflects a military industrial base that is growing in power and has not been weakened by ongoing sanctions.

Iranian Submarine Force Types, Numbers, and Capabilities

Iran has acquired a fleet of approximately twenty-four submarines, ranging in size from the 4,000-ton displacement Kilo class submarines to the 150-ton displacement Ghadir class mini submarines.




Iranian Kilo Class Submarine (Wikimedia Commons)

Kilo Class Submarines (three in service)10

Russian design and manufacture
4,000-ton displacement
Entered service in Iranian Navy in 1992
Capable of short-range deployments near Iranian ports in the Arabian Gulf and Arabian Sea, as well as long distance deployments to Gulf of Oman, Red Sea, or Indian Ocean
Capable of firing large torpedoes and surface-to-surface missiles, and laying mines
Relatively easy to detect and track due to large size and acoustic signature
Can only be stationed at deep water ports due to size and support requirements

Qaeem Class Submarines (in development)11

Iranian design and manufacture (influenced by Russian Amur 950 class)
1,000-ton displacement
Will enter service in 2013
Capable of short-range deployments near Iranian ports in the Arabian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, as well as long-distance deployments to Gulf of Oman, Red Sea, or Indian Ocean
Capable of firing large torpedoes, surface-to-surface missiles, and laying mines
This class will be largest submarine Iran has built

Fateh Class Submarine (one in service)12

Iranian design and manufacture
600-ton displacement
Entered service in 2011
Single prototype to validate Iranian ability to design and manufacture larger submarines than Nahang class
Increase in size over Nahang class indicates ongoing advancements in Iranian military-industrial capabilities
Capable of firing large torpedoes, surface-to-surface missiles, and laying mines

Nahang Class Submarine (one in service)13

Iranian design and manufacture
400-ton displacement
Entered service in 2006
Single prototype to validate Iranian ability to design and manufacture larger submarines than Ghadir class
Increase in size over Ghadir class indicates advancements in Iranian military-industrial capabilities
Capable of firing large torpedoes, surface-to-surface missiles, and laying mines


Iranian Ghadir Class Submarine (Wikimedia Commons)

Ghadir Class Submarines (approximately nineteen in service)14

Iranian design and manufacture
Derivative of North Korean Yugo and Sango class submarines
150-ton displacement
Entered service in 2007
Optimized for short range Arabian Gulf operations
50-day at sea endurance
Capable of firing the same large torpedoes and mines as the Kilo, just fewer of them
Due to small size and acoustic signature, relatively difficult to detect and track
Due to large numbers, can be widely proliferated on the entire Iranian coast


Russian “Shkval” Torpedo, Basis For Iranian “Hoot” Torpedo

Iranian Submarine Weapons15

533-millimeter torpedoes based on Russian/Chinese designs
Short-range surface-to-surface missiles including the Thaqeb
The Hoot supercavitating torpedo, based on Russian Shkval
The EM-50 series of maritime mines, based on Chinese designs
All of these weapons are a threat to both commercial and military vessels

Conclusion

Iran has a large, capable, and growing submarine fleet that constitutes a credible threat to military and commercial shipping in the Arabian Gulf. The recently demonstrated ability of the Iranian military industrial complex to repair large submarines and manufacture small submarines at the rate of several per year indicates that sanctions are not restricting Iran’s ability to produce a full spectrum of ships and weapons. The ability of the Iranian arms industry to obtain, reverse engineer, and manufacture submarine weapons of Russian / Chinese origin means the Iranian submarine fleet will be well equipped with effective weapons that will not be restricted by embargoes or sanctions.




NOTES

1 Walter Posch and Sasha Albrecht, “Sabre Rattling in the Persian Gulf,” German Institute for International and Security Affairs, April 2012.
2 Scott Charney, “The Undersea World of Ali Khamenei,” Foreign Policy in Focus, April 9, 2012.
3 Walter Hickey, “Iran Is Far More Capable Of Stealth Naval Warfare Than Most Ever Imagined”, Business Insider Military and Defense, May 31, 2012.
4 “Iran Finishes Overhaul on Tareq (Kilo SSK),” May 29, 2012, Open Source Imagery & Geospatial Intelligence, http://osgeoint.blogspot.com/2012/05/iran-finishes-overhaul-on-tareq-kil...
5 Anthony Cordesman, “The Conventional Military,” The United States Institute of Peace Iran Primer, June 12, 2012.
6 Rex Wingerter, “Iran: Outgunned In The Gulf,” Eurasia Review News and Analysis, February 18, 2012.
7 Scott Charney, “The Undersea World of Ali Khamenei,” Foreign Policy in Focus, April 9, 2012.
8 “Senior Iranian Officials: Close Straits, Attack U.S. and Gulf Targets,” The Middle East Media Research Institute, February 01 2012.
9 Walter Hickey, “Iran Is Far More Capable Of Stealth Naval Warfare Than Most Ever Imagined,” Business Insider Military and Defense, May 31, 2012.
10 “Iran’s Naval Forces,” Office of Naval Intelligence, Fall 2009.
11 “Iran Building New 1,000 ton Subs,” Seapower International, November 2008.
12 “Iran To Unveil New Submarine,” FARS News, October 05, 2011, http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9007130034.
13 “Nahang Class Submarine,” Globalsecurity.org, June 12, 2012, http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/nahang.htm.
14 “Ghadir Class Submarine,” Globalsecurity.org, June 12, 2012, http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ghadir.htm.
15 “Submarine Forces (Iran),” Jane’s Underwater Warfare Systems, September 05, 2011.
 

R.BAGGIO

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I wonder what could be accomplished if all the brain power and time dedicated to these useless threads goes into something useful.

I think we could have rebuilt the pyramids by now
 
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I feel sorry for ISP, I really do.
When I joined this board I found it very useful with high level of knowledge concerning almost any thing which matters to a world citizen particularly if he/she was an Iranian. But sadly I have been an eye witness to gradual deterioration of quality discussions and entire board I might say.

Example can be this thread, it has good subject to talk about and I honestly could contribute to the subject matter but I decided to refrain from doing so just because a troll, a useless member full of inferiority complex like this asinine Q8ty mashin shoor who possess nothing in life to proud of except his personal belongings wants to just take down his/her tonBan and just shit on the entire thread like he/she has always been doing. This ablah e bisavAd e oghdehei keh az har bacheh talabeh monharef porroo tareh has the audacity (read green light from forum gods) to have 20 useless and hate mongering posts in this thread alone yeki az yeki gohtar.

Why would any one participate in the discussion ? Why do even bother to have a moderator.
 

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Ignore the term "Arabian Gulf" used by the author and read the content and note the references. I doubt any of these authors or experts being on the payroll of IR.
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Interesting read but what is your point? It appears that the US is not going to fire the first shot. The policy seems to be a slow strangulation of Iran on all fronts. Given this strategy, it is very difficult for Iran to start a war because they can't find buyers for their oil or can't get insurance or can't find shippers. In others words, US is not going to make it easy for them. If and when the war comes, all this hardware will have a very short lifetime. Yes, they can fire a few salvos, even sink a ship or two but what next? They still have to come up for air, they still have to be docked, fueled and serviced, all with their backs against the wall.
 

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Interesting read but what is your point? It appears that the US is not going to fire the first shot. The policy seems to be a slow strangulation of Iran on all fronts. Given this strategy, it is very difficult for Iran to start a war because they can't find buyers for their oil or can't get insurance or can't find shippers. In others words, US is not going to make it easy for them. If and when the war comes, all this hardware will have a very short lifetime. Yes, they can fire a few salvos, even sink a ship or two but what next? They still have to come up for air, they still have to be docked, fueled and serviced, all with their backs against the wall.

The issue of Iran's military force and defense doctrine has been discussed ad nauseam on this board. As I have said before, the problem with Iranians in general and many members on this board in particular is that they want to compare Iran and everything Iranian with US and everything American. Why this is so and based on what is beyond me! Even Western European nations and even the other members of G8 don't have the audacity to compare themselves to the US. Yet, Iranians constantly want to compare their backward country which at best is a third world nation (if not a 4th-world) with United States of America somehow ignoring that Iran is only a fraction of the size of the US, with fraction of economic, military, political, cultural, and material resources. So every time there is any "positive" news coming out of Iran people are quick at jumping and comparing it to that of US. And this is not just limited to the opponent of the regime who are ridiculously biased but also seen among some of the supporters of the regime as well.

Most Iranians have this extremely narrow view of the world with extremely egocentric view of themselves that makes them think that the world revolves around them as individuals and around their country, Iran, in general. In real life however, that is not the case.

On the specific issue of Iranian submarines for example, many members on this board tend to compare Iran's navy and submarine force to that of US only and thus concluding that it is not as strong or sophisticated and thus concluding that it is useless. They do this while completely ignoring the fact that there are 6 other nations/states that share a coastline with Iran in the Persian Gulf all of whom want to lay claim one way or the other to Iranian territory and interests in the region.

Yes, Iran has absolutely no chance of defeating US in an all out military conflict because even if by some miracle Iran can defeat the US in a conventional military front US can turn Iran inside out with nuclear attack 100 times over. Symmetrical warfare was the military doctrine of the former Soviet Union which was trying to match every US technology bit by bit. But the defense doctrine of Iran against US is asymmetrical and not with the goal of defeating US but rather making any military conflict costly enough for the US so that it would avoid starting a physical conflict to begin with. And in fact that is what we are seeing play out at this time. The reason the US does not appear to be willing to "fire the first shot" as you put it is because in cost and benefit analysis it is less costly and more beneficial for them to avoid a military conflict with Iran at this time. Otherwise, you can bet Iran would have had the same fate as Afghanistan and Iraq at this time. To that end the Iranian military has done its duty fully and better than expected compared to any other country with similar resources. Now if the regime or country fails on the economic or political front then that is the fault and problem of the politicians and the economists but the military has done its job of preventing the adversary from attempting a direct physical conflict.

The defense doctrine of IR with regards to its immediate neighbors however is projection of superior power both in terms of military equipment and numbers. Thus, against its neighbors in the Persian Gulf it is building submarines which none of them have. Against its neighbors on dry land it is building drones, choppers, jets and missiles while maintaining a large number of combat ready foot soldiers. And against its more distant neighbors it is maintaing proxy forces and overwhelming missile power. Yes, compared to the US military Iran's military may not stand a chance but at least it will prevent another would be Saddam from daring to attack Iran in any foreseeable future.
 
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The issue of Iran's military force and defense doctrine has been discussed ad nauseam on this board. As I have said before, the problem with Iranians in general and many members on this board in particular is that they want to compare Iran and everything Iranian with US and everything American. Why this is so and based on what is beyond me! Even Western European nations and even the other members of G8 don't have the audacity to compare themselves to the US. Yet, Iranians constantly want to compare their backward country which at best is a third world nation (if not a 4th-world) with United States of America somehow ignoring that Iran is only a fraction of the size of the US, with fraction of economic, military, political, cultural, and material resources. So every time there is any "positive" news coming out of Iran people are quick at jumping and comparing it to that of US. And this is not just limited to the opponent of the regime who are ridiculously biased but also seen among some of the supporters of the regime as well.

Most Iranians have this extremely narrow view of the world with extremely egocentric view of themselves that makes them think that the world revolves around them as individuals and around their country, Iran, in general. In real life however, that is not the case.

On the specific issue of Iranian submarines for example, many members on this board tend to compare Iran's navy and submarine force to that of US only and thus concluding that it is not as strong or sophisticated and thus concluding that it is useless. They do this while completely ignoring the fact that there are 6 other nations/states that share a coastline with Iran in the Persian Gulf all of whom want to lay claim one way or the other to Iranian territory and interests in the region.

Yes, Iran has absolutely no chance of defeating US in an all out military conflict because even if by some miracle Iran can defeat the US in a conventional military front US can turn Iran inside out with nuclear attack 100 times over. Symmetrical warfare was the military doctrine of the former Soviet Union which was trying to match every US technology bit by bit. But the defense doctrine of Iran against US is asymmetrical and not with the goal of defeating US but rather making any military conflict costly enough for the US so that it would avoid starting a physical conflict to begin with. And in fact that is what we are seeing play out at this time. The reason the US does not appear to be willing to "fire the first shot" as you put it is because in cost and benefit analysis it is less costly and more beneficial for them to avoid a military conflict with Iran at this time. Otherwise, you can bet Iran would have had the same fate as Afghanistan and Iraq at this time. To that end the Iranian military has done its duty fully and better than expected compared to any other country with similar resources. Now if the regime or country fails on the economic or political front then that is the fault and problem of the politicians and the economists but the military has done its job of preventing the adversary from attempting a direct physical conflict.

The defense doctrine of IR with regards to its immediate neighbors however is projection of superior power both in terms of military equipment and numbers. Thus, against its neighbors in the Persian Gulf it is building submarines which none of them have. Against its neighbors on dry land it is building drones, choppers, jets and missiles while maintaining a large number of combat ready foot soldiers. And against its more distant neighbors it is maintaing proxy forces and overwhelming missile power. Yes, compared to the US military Iran's military may not stand a chance but at least it will prevent another would be Saddam from daring to attack Iran in any foreseeable future.
I think the point of argument to me is this ....
We all know that Iran is behind in terms of technology and industry for so many years and we all know that militarise in world always show their final product of many years of research not the prototype.
Did USA show the stealth fighter prototype, or did they show it when they knew it is at least 80% functional ...
The point is that they build a submarine that is honestly ridiculous in any standard you want to think of ... certainly not ready for any combat or functionality ... and they show it off to the world ...
and the people like GP praise the design and call anyone with a little of bit of brain a traitor ...
I don't think this is the comparison between this submarine and the top of the line nuclear submarine, but what this picture shows is that this is a horrible small ugly looking machine ...
 

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نگاه کن دوست عزیز
من هیچ جا و هیچوقت نگفتم طرفدار رژیم هستم باز برای صدمین بار میگم من بلانسنت جنابعالی ر*دم تو اول و اخر رژیم
شما مشکلتون اینه که ایران و ایرانی و دانشمندان ایرانی و خاک ایران و سیاست و علم و دانش و ادبیات و تاریخ و فرهنگ و مردم کوچه و بازار و همه و همه را در رژیم ادغام می کنی و انوقت اگر مثلا یک فیلم یک پژوهش یک کتاب یک هواپیما یک ناو یا هر چیز دیگری در ایران ساخته شد که افتخار اور باشه چون هرچی در ایران است رو مربوط به رژیم می دونی برات ناگواره
شاید شما نه ولی چند نفر رو شخصا می شناسم که از دوستهای نزدیک هم هستند حتی برد تیم ملی ایران انها را نارحت میکنه
چون به نظر انها این به رژیم کمک میکنه که تبلیغ کنه
المپیک همین سال غصه می خوردند چرا ایران این همه طلا گرفته !!!ا
باور میکنید ؟
خوب شمال و بقیه هم تقریبا یک چنین افکاری رو دارید
اگر من امدم گفتم دمشون گرم دارو ساختند دمشون گرم ناو ساختند دمشون گرم انقدر پیشرفت کرده اند که هواپیما امریکایی رو می نشونند
ناراحت می شوید
دوست دارید بیایم و عکس خانه های ویران در ایران رو بزنم
همانطور که گفتم مشکل شما این است که همه چیز را به رژیم ربط می دهید
درست مثل اینکه در زمان فلان سلطان که خیام معادلات ریاضی را حل می کرد یکی ناراحت بشود که چرا خیام در کشور ما وجود داره تا سلطان تبلیغ کنه که بله مملکت رو ساخته ام
یا اقای اکس از پرفسور حسابی ناراحت بشه چون در زمان شاه بوده و جناب اقای اکس از شاه خوشش نمی امده
من از پیشرفت ایرانیها خوشنود می شوم
رژیم رفت رژیم کمونیست بیاد باز خوشنود می شوم
رفت سکولار امد شاه امد گدا امد باز خوشحال می شوم
ربطی به رژیم و اخوند و شاه و فکل و کراوات ندارد به دانشمندان ایرانی افتخار میکنم شما همه چیز را می خواهید از یک زاویه ببینید
مملکت خراب بشود تا بگویید بله اخوند بد است
مملکت اباد شود ناراحت می شوید چون از نظر شما ابادی مملکت و پیشرفت مردم و دانشمندان ایرانی یعنی تبلیغ برای اخوند
من در این نکته با شما مخالفم


جناب
اولا من اگر بخواهم کار خیری بکنم دوست ندارم پز بدهم وکسی را با خبر کنم
دوم از ان همین رژیم پست فطرت انقدر از املاک من و اجداد من خورده که برای هفت پشتش بس است
من اگر فردا این رژیم برگردد هر رژیمی بیاید روی کار
بجز یک رژیم نوکر صفت که برخی از اشخاص اینجا همان بوی نوکری غرب را میدهند و احساس بردگی در برابر غربی ها میکنند را قبول دارم
هر رژیمی
حداقل انوقت شاید بتوانم به سرزمینم برگردم
من از این گروه هایی که برخی از تفاله های انها در این سایت و ان سایت پست میکنند بیشتر از رژیم اخوندی متنفرم
اینها نوکر صفت هستند
احساس حقارت میکنند
اگر کسی گفت ایرانی ساخته برایشان قابل قبول نیست
کره شمالی ساخته چون عقل کره شمالی ها بهتر از ایرانی ها وهست و ایرانی ها عقل وخرد ندارند
ایرانی هیچ چیزی نمی تواند بسازد ایرانی احمق است ایرانی باید تابع غربی ها باشد
اگر دانشمند ایرانی کاری کرد دروغ است
اینها بلف می زنند چون ممکن نیست ایرانی عقل و هوش ساختن داشته باشد
اینگونه افراد را باید به زباله دان انداخت چون نه تنها حقیر هستند بلکه باعث می شوند ایرانی خود را تحقیر کند و همیشه احساس بردگی گند
ایرانی که نیمی از جهان شناخته شده زیر سم اسبانش بوده
ایرانی که ابن سیناها و زکریاها و فارابی ها و خیام ها را در دامن خود پرورانده
اینگونه افراد که فکر میکنند ایرانی نمی تواند کاری کند و اگر ماهواره فرستاد کره ای بوده اگر هواپیما را نشاند خود هواپیما خراب بوده اگر زیر دریایی ساخت می خندند
اینها را باید به زباله دان انداخت
زیرا نه تنها خود حقیر هستند بلکه ایرانی را تحقیر می کنند
هزاران بار هواپیماهای امریکایی در صومال و پاکستان وافغانستان عملیات انجام داد
تا ایران یکی از انها را بوسیله بازوی قدرتمند دانشمندان ایرانی پایین اورد امدند و گفتند بنزین تمام کرده خراب شده
اخه مگر هواپیمای ارباب را می توان نشاند
ان هم ایرانی بنشاند ؟ ممکن نیست
بله از نظر اینها ممکن نیست اربابشان هواپیما بسازد و ایرانی انرا تسخیر کند
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بله جانم

This is the last time, I even try to answer because I feel you are a person who has eaten a cassette player and wants to repeat himself ...
We as Iranians had great scientist once upon a time but our last 300 years of history is nothing but failure ...
We are not stupid people, in fact I believe all the races have the same amount of intelligence ...

If a fat person wants to lose weight, at first, he needs to realize that he is fat ... and then find a solution that means to get diet. If he doesn't realize that he is fat, and think he is fitter than the rest of the world, he will never change his life style.

The bottom line is that if we want to be independent from the rest of the world, we have to understand that we have short comings ... and the biggest one: "we thing we are much more important than what we really are" ...
As a country, we don't have slight contribution to science and technology. The guys who leave the country are not contributing to Iran. We have a horrible regime and very small contribution that comes from individuals that work hard but the system doesn't allow them to improve.
So people like you, want to magnify these achievements and make us bigger than what we are.

So stage [1] we are a third world country with not any achievement in science and technology
[2] If we want to become powerful, and don't rely to the rest of the world, we have to change our government and start from scratch ...

This submarine is an example. It is nothing more than shameful, horrible design, horrible color and no use ... now if you say this is fantastic, then of course we are not going to go for better ... (like a fat person that thinks he is fit)

You are the type of the person that if you were the general of an army (and the name goes with you), you go to the head of the military and say,
your honour, we build air planes, submarines and this and that ... and convince him that the military accomplished a lot ...
When the war starts and all your BS fails, you will be the first one to escape ....

I am sure you are going to set the cassette player from beginning and talk about BS like Iranian think they can't do anything themselves and they want to rely on others ...but man, you have to first be realistic and say we suck and then go try to resolve the issue.