Kurdish resistance against the terrorist Islamic Republic

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Subject: "The Iranian government is strong. But not that strong."
Source: The Kurdistani
Date 02-04-2006


In the mountains with a Kurdish opposition group trying to bring democracy to Iran.


KANDEEL, Iraq—The simple, cinderblock and sod-roof, dwellings of the Party for Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK) don't look much different from those of the surrounding villages in Iraq's Zagros mountains. The plumbing is outdoors and the water comes from mountain streams. Nor do the men and women in the village look much different from those elsewhere in the region—most wear traditional Kurdish clothing, baggy coveralls sashed at the waist, and it's not uncommon to see people with Kalashnikovs slung over their shoulders.


It's only in conversation that the men and women of the PJAK camp, most of whom hail from Iran, begin to distinguish themselves from Iraqi Kurds, who tend to be subsistence farmers with little education. My first night in the PJAK camp, I was treated to a broken-English crash course in the group's ideology—a variant of democratic socialism combined with a call for the Iranian government to adhere to the European Union's convention on human rights.


The group has been exiled to the mountains of northern Iraq during its struggle to bring democracy to Iran, but the members of PJAK remain surprisingly optimistic. They began organizing underground cells and demonstrating in Iran in the mid-1990s, but after facing persecution by the Tehran government in 1999, many members fled and set up a base in Kandeel. In 2004, the group began carrying out small-arms attacks inside Iran against military targets, in response to Iranian aggression against Kurds in the country's western provinces. BBC Persia reported that PJAK killed 120 Iranian police officers during a six-month period in 2005. It is currently one of the largest—if not the largest—Iranian opposition group, claiming 4,000 members in Kandeel and thousands more inside Iran.


PJAK claims that its numbers have risen steadily since its formation, and that its existence is convincing many of Iran's approximately 3.7 million Kurds—about 7 percent of the country's total population—that the theocratic government in Tehran can be challenged both militarily and politically.


"The Iranian government is strong," says Akif Zagros, 28, a former journalist and a founding member of PJAK. "But not that strong."


Since the creation of modern Iran, the Kurdish minority inside the country has endured oppression—as have Kurds in neighboring countries. The Islamic Revolution in 1979 initiated a jihad by the Shiite government against the Sunni Kurds. Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, declared that Kurds were not autonomous and had no reason to seek cultural rights. Such discrimination continues to this day. Kurds in Iran, for instance, are not allowed to receive Kurdish-language education in school—as was the case in Saddam Hussein's Iraq and, until 2004, in Turkey.


In addition to cultural discrimination, Iranian Kurds complain that they do not receive the same services—such as petrol subsidies—as Iranians in other parts of the country, and that the Kurdish provinces, despite being oil-rich, are economically depressed.


Iran's previous president, Mohamed Khatami, attempted to reverse some of this discrimination by including Kurds in the government, authorizing the creation of Kurdish-language chairs at universities, and easing restrictions against Kurdish political activity. But these small steps have been reversed with the election of hardline president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad last year.



PJAK's location in Kandeel is remote—to get to the leadership, one must ride to the end of a two-track road accessible only by 4x4, and then hike for a few hours. But that has not discouraged many young Iranian Kurds from seeking refuge here.


"If I hadn't left Iran, I might have been hanged," says 24-year-old Karwan Agri, a computer engineering student from Markezi in western Iran. Agri says he was part of a PJAK cell at his university, and decided to flee Iran and travel to Kandeel two months ago, after Ahmedinejad's election and a subsequent increase in crackdowns on members of Kurdish political parties. PJAK in particular has received much attention because of its latter-day militancy.


"After Ahmedinejad's election, the situation changed. Freedoms that had existed in Iran before, under Khatami, disappeared. There is now an atmosphere of violence. Eighty percent of university students are opposed to Ahmedinijad's ideology. I know more than 100 students who have left to the mountains since his election."


Zagros says PJAK's armed operations only target the Iranian military and police in response to aggression against Kurds. (To date, there is no evidence that the group ever engages in terrorism against civilians.)


"Defense takes two forms. Some of it is organized here, some of it is organized spontaneously by people in Iranian Kurdistan," he says.


PJAK isn't seeking independence for Iran's Kurdish provinces; rather, the group is calling for an end to the rule by mullahs in Tehran. It is the only Kurdish group in Iran calling openly for the government to reform, although Zagros says his group would negotiate with the mullahs if the latter were willing to end Iran's discrimination against its Kurdish population.


"If the Iranian government accepts our demands, we are ready to talk to them," he says.


In the meantime, the group is focusing on assisting and empowering the Iranian population.


"PJAK supports helping people get off heroin," said Diller, a Kurd from Mariwan, a western Iranian city where PJAK is active. (There are currently an estimated three-to-four million heroin addicts in Iran.) Diller, who is not a member of PJAK, works on the dangerous smuggling route from Iraq to Iran, carrying contraband alcohol across the border because, he says, there is no other employment. "The Iranian government doesn't care about Kurds. They don't supply our cities with the same services they do for the Shiites."


Like the better-known Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Turkey, which advocates for an independent Kurdish homeland, and which has used these mountains as a base since 1991 in a guerrilla war against the Turkish government that has claimed more than 30,000 lives, a major component of PJAK's fight is for women's rights.


"Our aim is to be an alternative to the leadership of Iran, and we organize women toward this aim. The Iranian government deprives women of their freedom," says 26-year-old Golistan Dugan, a female member of the group's leadership council. "Here in the mountains the women are organized."



Dugan left Iran in 1999, in the wake of Kurdish nationalist demonstrations following the arrest of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in Turkey. The protests provoked crackdowns by Tehran.


PJAK members claim 45 percent of their membership is female.


"We want not only to include Kurdish women but also Iranian women," Dugan says.


Women in PJAK receive the same political education and military training that the men do, and "daughter guerillas" have participated in the attacks against Iran that began in 2004.


According to the group's charter, 12 of the 21 members of PJAK's elected legislative council must be women; as well, three of the seven members of the leadership council, selected from the legislative council, are women. The group also has three educational subcommittees—focusing on secular democratic education for youth, democracy, and women.


"We send [the people we train] back to Iran to organize underground among the women, young people and university students," Zagros says.


Many of the group's members say they are inspired by Ocalan, and pictures of him and his wife—as well as those of Vian Jaff, a PKK member who recently se[t] herself on fire in Turkey—adorn the walls of PJAK dwellings. But unlike the PKK, the members of PJAK eschew Kurdish nationalist rhetoric, and would prefer a democratic Iran to the formation of a greater Kurdistan. Ocalan is a controversial figure—during his rule of the PKK he was so intolerant of dissent that he sentenced his first wife to death for disagreeing with his policies—but PJAK points to his Declaration of Democratic Confederalism in Kurdistan, released last year, in which Ocalan professed to switch from an autocratic ideology to a democratic one.


Zagros says the PJAK, which counts membership abroad in the Kurdish diaspora in Europe and Russia—which is a major source of the group's funding—has had contact with other Iranian dissidents, including the Mujahideen e-Khalq (MEK), a communist opposition group whose members inside Iraq continue to languish in U.S. custody at Camp Ashraf near the Iranian border, where they have been since shortly after the invasion.


"There is just talk, a primitive agreement, but in our plan there is a widening agreement," Zagros says, declining to elaborate further.


Both the MEK and the PKK remain on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations, but the Iranian government has accused the U.S. of supporting PJAK. Zagros denies this, saying the group has had no contact with the US military or diplomats.


"Our demand is democracy—we accept and welcome [American] support," Zagros says. "But only in accordance with the interests of Kurdish people."


At a PKK base on the other side of the mountain, Abdul Rahman Chaderchi, a member of the PKK's political council, confirms the PKK's support for PJAK and decries the U.S. government's hypocrisy in supporting autonomy for Iraq's Kurds but not for other groups.


"We want the U.S. to see all Kurds with the same eyes," he says.


Kandeel is essentially under PKK control—as one gets deeper into the mountains, checkpoints manned by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party loyal to Iraqi president Jalal Talabani, give way to PKK outposts. The PUK avoids putting pressure the PKK because of both local sympathies for Kurdish national groups and the fact that it wants to avoid sparking armed conflict. PJAK says they have no relationship with the PUK, and Zagros criticized the autocratic nature of Iraq's Kurdish parties.


"This ideology is opposite to ours," he says.


The PJAK leadership would like to receive the same level of support from the United States that the PUK enjoys, although the specter of an American military intervention in Iran makes some PJAK members uneasy.


"Outside intervention is not good for Iran right now, because the people are not ready for it, and it might be damaging," says Agri, the former computer-engineering student.


Regardless of what happens on the international stage, however, Zagros says that, for now, the group is planning a response to the arrests of Kurds in Iran during Nowruz—the traditional Zoroastrian new year, celebrated by Kurds and Persians on the vernal equinox on March 21.


"The party is allowed to respond to the blood of a martyr," Zagros says.
 
Oct 18, 2002
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I have little use for a marxist, separatist group even if they claim to fight the Islamic Republic in Iran.
 
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deerouz said:
I have little use for a marxist, separatist group even if they claim to fight the Islamic Republic in Iran.
Deerouz jAn,

I guess the famous saying stands: Enemy of my enemy is automatically my friend.......LOOOL
 

Liberator

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More power to our compatriots fighting the Islamic Republic.


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Tehran Faces Growing Kurdish Opposition
April 03, 2006
The Washington Times
James Brandon



MOUNT QANDIL, Iraq -- A little-known organization based in the mountains of Iraq's Kurdish north is emerging as a serious threat to the Iranian government, staging cross-border attacks and claiming tens of thousands of supporters among Iran's 4 million Kurds.

The Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan, better known by the local acronym PEJAK or PJAK, claims to have killed 24 Iranian soldiers in three raids against army bases last month, all staged in retaliation for the killing of 10 Iranian Kurds during a peaceful demonstration in the city of Maku.

Three more soldiers from Iran's elite Republican Guard were killed last week in a gunbattle near the Iraqi border, Iran's official news agency reported.

But the greater threat to the Tehran regime may come from the group's underground effort to promote a sense of identity among Iranian Kurds, who make up 7 percent of that country's population. PEJAK leaders say the effort is spreading quickly among students, intellectuals and businessmen.

"The Iranian government's plan to create a global Islamic state is destroying our people's culture and values," said Akif Zagros, 28, a graduate in Persian literature who was interviewed in a simple stone hut at the group's headquarters. "So we fight back. But our aim is not just to bring freedom to Kurds, but to liberate all the peoples of Iran."

PEJAK units first began targeting the Iranian military in 2004. After attacking, the militants melt back into a supportive society or cross the Iraqi border to join several thousand guerrillas at the group's leafy main camp a few miles from the Iranian border.

"Because the Iranian government oppresses people and prevents demonstrations, we needed a way to defend ourselves," said Mr. Zagros, one of four men and three women who make up the group's leadership council.

"The Iranian government has provoked the people of Iranian Kurdistan to defend themselves," Mr. Zagros continued. "But at the same time, the government is quite weak in these regions, and so our people can respond if they are attacked."

Unlike most other rebel groups in the Middle East, PEJAK is secular and Western-oriented. When the group's members talk, their Kurdish is peppered with such Western words as "freedom," "human rights" and "ecology."

Iran has denounced it as a terrorist group and accused the United States of funding it. But at PEJAK's camp, there is no obvious evidence of American equipment or money. The only weapons on show are AK-47 assault rifles and grenades, and the funding is clearly limited.

Each recruit has a single pair of khaki fatigues, and even its leaders subsist on simple meals of bread, cheese and fresh vegetables at communal outdoor tables.

The group's leaders say that they have had no contact with the United States, but that they would be willing to work with Europe or America against the Tehran government.

"We demand democratic change in Iran," Mr. Zagros said. "And if the U.S. government wants to help us, we are happy to accept their support.

"The U.S. talks about bringing democracy to the region," he added. "But for 200 years, the Kurds have struggled against dictatorship and oppression and in defense of our human rights. And so far the West has not helped us. Why?"

PEJAK's ideology combines the Kurds' traditionally low-key Islam and pagan-influenced culture with the movement's political opposition to the dogmatic Islamic government in Tehran.

Nearly half the group's members are women, attracted by its promotion of sexual equality. Female volunteers receive the same training as the men, wear the same clothes, and greet visitors with a steady eye and firm handshake.

"Here in our camp, the women learn to be strong so that when they go back to Iran, they can teach women and, in fact, all people about our struggle for democracy and human rights," said Gulistan Dugan, 36, a psychology graduate from the University of Tehran and a member of the leadership council.

"The daughters of our movement take part in all our operations, including military ones."
 
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I am sorry, but if this well known separatist-marxist-terrorist organization is your " proud compatriot", then you are not a patriotic Iranian. I somehow remember that you also posted affectionately about the separatist Al-Ahwaz movement in Khuzestan? So is your way of "Liberating" iran by dividing it into a thousand pieces?

Some patriotism.
 
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The same guy defended and hailed his Baluchi brothers for killing 22 people in Zahedan a while back and taking 7 hostages.

The group that later claimed responsiblity for the act called itself "Jund Allah" and released the video of the hostages to Al Arabiyah. Reminds you of those Wahabbi and Salafi ways in Iraq!

His Baluchi Brothers:-ohno:
 
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Dont blame Kurds for not wanting to be independent when they are being exaggerated against. AN, akhoond and their supporters including the ones on this site are the ones responsible for the country getting divided. Why should the kurds be a rich oil part of the land and yet be so poor? Lets not be a racist here. And if you are not willing to go live under IR dont expect other people in the country especially ones being discriminated against, doing it.
 
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Lord jan,

I am not commenting on Kurds and their aspirations, but find it ironic that a poster who happens to consider himself the flag bearer of "iranism" on this site and condemns a majority of Iranian population as traitors to the mother nation, then starts applauding separatists for their actions to tear apart our country. At least the separatist Kurds/Arabs/Baluches do not beat their chest for Iranism nor do they claim a passion for Iran.

Dear Libby, are you a naive young men who is just too passionate against the Islamic Republic that he does not recognize friend from foe, or is this passion for Iran all just a smokescreen?
 

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lordofmordor said:
Dont blame Kurds for not wanting to be independent when they are being exaggerated against. AN, akhoond and their supporters including the ones on this site are the ones responsible for the country getting divided. Why should the kurds be a rich oil part of the land and yet be so poor? Lets not be a racist here. And if you are not willing to go live under IR dont expect other people in the country especially ones being discriminated against, doing it.
Kurds get the same treatment as any other minority so it's not correct to say they have been the only people discriminated against.

The problems with kurds is they think they are very special people and their shit is made of gold and that they are better than rest of Iranians...I know this, because I am half kurdish and know a little about kurdish mentality.
 

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deerouz said:
I am sorry, but if this well known separatist-marxist-terrorist organization is your " proud compatriot", then you are not a patriotic Iranian. I somehow remember that you also posted affectionately about the separatist Al-Ahwaz movement in Khuzestan? So is your way of "Liberating" iran by dividing it into a thousand pieces?

Some patriotism.

Aghaye Deerouz,

Please read the article before coming and condemning your fellow Iranians fighting for the freedom our nation, and secondly don't make false statements of me supposedly "posting affectionately" about a filthy group like Al-Ahwaz! Please bring some substance to your allegations that i've posted in support of a filthy SEPERATIST group like that of "Al-Ahwaz" - over my dead body will you find a post by me praising that group! So I cannot conclude anything but the same old "character assasination" tactics of the past being the reason for you accusing me of this outrageous act.

In regards to the article and PJAK, it seems I need to point some things out for you since you seemingly haven't bothered to read the article which disapproves of allt he accusations you've brought forth against this group ("well known separatist-marxist-terrorist organization")

Who are PJAK:

It's only in conversation that the men and women of the PJAK camp, most of whom hail from Iran, begin to distinguish themselves from Iraqi Kurds, who tend to be subsistence farmers with little education. My first night in the PJAK camp, I was treated to a broken-English crash course in the group's ideology—a variant of democratic socialism combined with a call for the Iranian government to adhere to the European Union's convention on human rights.


The group has been exiled to the mountains of northern Iraq during its struggle to bring democracy to Iran, but the members of PJAK remain surprisingly optimistic. They began organizing underground cells and demonstrating in Iran in the mid-1990s, but after facing persecution by the Tehran government in 1999, many members fled and set up a base in Kandeel. In 2004, the group began carrying out small-arms attacks inside Iran against military targets, in response to Iranian aggression against Kurds in the country's western provinces. BBC Persia reported that PJAK killed 120 Iranian police officers during a six-month period in 2005. It is currently one of the largest—if not the largest—Iranian opposition group, claiming 4,000 members in Kandeel and thousands more inside Iran.


PJAK claims that its numbers have risen steadily since its formation, and that its existence is convincing many of Iran's approximately 3.7 million Kurds—about 7 percent of the country's total population—that the theocratic government in Tehran can be challenged both militarily and politically.


From what corner do you bring out allegations of terrorism?

Zagros says PJAK's armed operations only target the Iranian military and police in response to aggression against Kurds. (To date, there is no evidence that the group ever engages in terrorism against civilians.)

"Defense takes two forms. Some of it is organized here, some of it is organized spontaneously by people in Iranian Kurdistan," he says.

And who passed on the papers to you saying this group is a seperatist one because there is nothing in the article indicating that they are; in fact the CONTRARY is explicitly mentioned:

PJAK isn't seeking independence for Iran's Kurdish provinces; rather, the group is calling for an end to the rule by mullahs in Tehran.


P.S. When Iran is being labeled part of the ARAB world you tell me you won't lift a finger or even object, then you have the audacity to come here and accuse me of praising a seperatist arab group (al-ahwaz)!? Who is the "arab-appeaser" ?

Refresher:
http://forums.iransportspress.com/showthread.php?t=13180&highlight=al-ahwaz




Ba Sepaas
 
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Kurds are not the only group that think they are better than others. Every other groups thinks so. What makes persians think just because they are majority they should rule over the kurds. I am a persian but one got to be fair. You have to make these people feel like they are equal if you want to them to not want to separate. Also, you cant have governments like IR and expect other groups to want to live under these backward dumb ignorant rat thugs.
 

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lordofmordor said:
Kurds are not the only group that think they are better than others. Every other groups thinks so. What makes persians think just because they are majority they should rule over the kurds. I am a persian but one got to be fair. You have to make these people feel like they are equal if you want to them to not want to separate. Also, you cant have governments like IR and expect other groups to want to live under these backward dumb ignorant rat thugs.
Well said LoM-jaan. I've never felt superiority over say an Iranian Kurd/Azeri etc but I have seen signs of this in the older generation. I love my kurdish brethren/sisters as much as I love my azeri ones. What we, the new generation, need to realize, and I think many of us have, is that we are all IRANIANS regardless of what PROVINCE ("sub-group") we come from.
All of us are equals and should have equal opportunities under our future democratic government. If we can accept the fact that we are IRANIANS and equals, we can then proceed to build better ties with other IRANIAN peoples' like Tajiks etc. The sad thing is that previous generations have acted as if Kurds etc are NOT Iranians which is completely FALSE and has lead to some feeling ostracized. We are ONE BLOOD and ONE PEOPLE. We might come from different parts/regions (Kurdistan/Azerbaijan/Gilan/Baloochestan) of our motherland (Iran) but we should never forget that we are brothers and sisters from the same country. Iranian does not mean just "Persian"! Iranian means all Iranians from whichever province they come from (be they Kurd, Balooch, Azari, Gilaki, Lor etc).



Ba Sepaas
 

Fatso

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azaad2004 said:
Kurds get the same treatment as any other minority so it's not correct to say they have been the only people discriminated against.

The problems with kurds is they think they are very special people and their shit is made of gold and that they are better than rest of Iranians...I know this, because I am half kurdish and know a little about kurdish mentality.
I agree, I'm also part Kurdish, and it's annoying how so many people take advantage of any news regarding them to advance their own goals.
Also we have very little to complain about, at least in terms of the middle east. At least we can still speak the language, and we're not discriminated against just for being Kurdish like the Kurds in Iraq or Turkey.
Also alot of these Seperatist Kurdish groups are no better than animals. Some of the things they did to innocent 17 and 18 year old khedmat vazife soldiers is absolutely frightening.
 
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lordofmordor said:
Kurds are not the only group that think they are better than others. Every other groups thinks so. What makes persians think just because they are majority they should rule over the kurds. I am a persian but one got to be fair. You have to make these people feel like they are equal if you want to them to not want to separate. Also, you cant have governments like IR and expect other groups to want to live under these backward dumb ignorant rat thugs.
arent turks the majority?
 
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Liberator said:
Aghaye Deerouz,

Please read the article before coming and condemning your fellow Iranians fighting for the freedom our nation, and secondly don't make false statements of me supposedly "posting affectionately" about a filthy group like Al-Ahwaz!
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From what corner do you bring out allegations of terrorism? And who passed on the papers to you saying this group is a seperatist one because there is nothing in the article indicating that they are; in fact the CONTRARY is explicitly mentioned:
Dear Liby,
If I have mistaken the Al-Ahwaz group with the Baluch group, I offer my apologies. In my eyes there is no difference between an Arab separatist group or a Baluchi separatist group. As for the PJAK group when one looks beyond the claims of that article and actually look into their background, many worrying signs are there. Why is a group that in your view fights for democratic Iran, chooses the flag of independent Kurdestan as its flag? A group that has nothing but praise for the jailed terrorist leader of PKK, Abdullah Ocalan (just check their web site) , and according to your own article has started to join forces with MKO and PKK, cannot be different than those terrorist groups. The path toward liberation of Iran will not pass through ethnic unrests.

Perhaps one reason for my doubts about them is that "Mar-Gazideh Az risemoon Siah-o Sefid Mitarsad". The Iranian government did not start a "Shia Jihad" against kurds as the article alleges, the kurds started it. And pretty much with the same slogans. You probably have not been born back then when Ghassemlou and Ezzedin Hosseini where giving interviews in Tehran, assuring Iranians that their groups have no separatist intentions in mind, while in Mahabad and Baneh and Sardasht their militia were looting the army barracks and massacring soldiers, cleaning out the weapons even tanks and heavy artillary. That was a mere two weeks after the victory of the 1979 revolution. There was no revolutionary guard, no ethnic oppresion and no war against them yet. God bless the soul of the martyred hero General Gharaney who at least managed to save Sanandaj from their attack.

I am not blaming the Kurds for being totally frustrated at the current situation under IRI and wanting a way out, even at the cost of integrating Iran. I even do hope they get their own independent country in north Iraq which theyr richly deserve. But I don't want to be a party to disintegration of Iran either. And if that disintegration is being championed by a communist, terrorist-aligned group with suspecious claims and contacts, I feel obliged to expose it.

As for my reluctance to get involved against the Civilization-4 game (!) I thought the whole point was ridiculous. But if you have something in between the two extremes of paranoia against a computer game but closing eye on the threat of separatists, I am all ears.
 

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Dear Liby,
If I have mistaken the Al-Ahwaz group with the Baluch group, I offer my apologies. In my eyes there is no difference between an Arab separatist group or a Baluchi separatist group. As for the PJAK group when one looks beyond the claims of that article and actually look into their background, many worrying signs are there. Why is a group that in your view fights for democratic Iran, chooses the flag of independent Kurdestan as its flag? A group that has nothing but praise for the jailed terrorist leader of PKK, Abdullah Ocalan (just check their web site) , and according to your own article has started to join forces with MKO and PKK, cannot be different than those terrorist groups. The path toward liberation of Iran will not pass through ethnic unrests.

Perhaps one reason for my doubts about them is that "Mar-Gazideh Az risemoon Siah-o Sefid Mitarsad". The Iranian government did not start a "Shia Jihad" against kurds as the article alleges, the kurds started it. And pretty much with the same slogans. You probably have not been born back then when Ghassemlou and Ezzedin Hosseini where giving interviews in Tehran, assuring Iranians that their groups have no separatist intentions in mind, while in Mahabad and Baneh and Sardasht their militia were looting the army barracks and massacring soldiers, cleaning out the weapons even tanks and heavy artillary. That was a mere two weeks after the victory of the 1979 revolution. There was no revolutionary guard, no ethnic oppresion and no war against them yet. God bless the soul of the martyred hero General Gharaney who at least managed to save Sanandaj from their attack.

I am not blaming the Kurds for being totally frustrated at the current situation under IRI and wanting a way out, even at the cost of integrating Iran. I even do hope they get their own independent country in north Iraq which theyr richly deserve. But I don't want to be a party to disintegration of Iran either. And if that disintegration is being championed by a communist, terrorist-aligned group with suspecious claims and contacts, I feel obliged to expose it.

As for my reluctance to get involved against the Civilization-4 game (!) I thought the whole point was ridiculous. But if you have something in between the two extremes of paranoia against a computer game but closing eye on the threat of separatists, I am all ears.

Aghaye Deerouz,

I don't know which group you've confused yourself with. The news article I posted on the balooch issue did not have any mentioning of any seperatist groups but only mentioned the oppressed people of that province having ambushed and killed officials of the Islamic Republic. Unfortunately I have no compassion for any official working for this filthy government and hence I welcomed the news. I'm glad the scum working for the Islamic Republic were treated to something Iranians have to endure every day. You should also know better than coming with statements trying to claim i'm a supporter of the dis-integration of Iran.

As for the PJAK group when one looks beyond the claims of that article and actually look into their background, many worrying signs are there. Why is a group that in your view fights for democratic Iran, chooses the flag of independent Kurdestan as its flag?
Every province has their own flag, this applies to other countries as well. And since the people of that province are especially oppressed under the Islamic Republic I can see how they try to reassert some patriotic feeling by chosing their provincial flag; is it wrong to try and make a comparision with the english flag and the british flag?? I would much rather have this group fly the Iranian national flag (shir-o-khorshid) but I can understand how they do feel ostracized/oppressed, but as long as their political stance is that they do not seek seperation from their motherland but supports its unity and for democracy to be established I support them.


A group that has nothing but praise for the jailed terrorist leader of PKK, Abdullah Ocalan
The article answers this concern (I had the same concern when I read it at first):

Ocalan is a controversial figure—during his rule of the PKK he was so intolerant of dissent that he sentenced his first wife to death for disagreeing with his policies—but PJAK points to his Declaration of Democratic Confederalism in Kurdistan, released last year, in which Ocalan professed to switch from an autocratic ideology to a democratic one.
You say:

according to your own article has started to join forces with MKO and PKK
There is nothing in the article saying that the groups you have mentioned have joined forces; the article does mention that there is a primitive agreement with the MKO and that the PKK supports this group. Now as long as PJAK stays to its goals of a united Iran there shouldn't be too many complications in my belief. Also as far as I know the PKK is more active in Turkey and Iraq and its support base in Iran is minimal since the overwhelming majority of Iranian kurds do not seek seperation from their motherland.

The Iranian government did not start a "Shia Jihad" against kurds as the article alleges, the kurds started it.
How do you explain the Islamic Republic sending helicopter gunships and its troops into Iranian kurdistan and killing thousands in the early years of the revolution. Iranian kurds did not want this filthy government and there are pictures of them arresting islamists affiliated with Khomeini in Iranian kurdistan. If i'm not wrong this is what the article is referring to. The pictures of this massacre have been posted on here before as well.

You probably have not been born back then when Ghassemlou and Ezzedin Hosseini where giving interviews in Tehran, assuring Iranians that their groups have no separatist intentions in mind, while in Mahabad and Baneh and Sardasht their militia were looting the army barracks and massacring soldiers, cleaning out the weapons even tanks and heavy artillary. That was a mere two weeks after the victory of the 1979 revolution. There was no revolutionary guard, no ethnic oppresion and no war against them yet.
The two individuals that you've listed were not members of PJAK but members of the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan lets not try to confuse PJAK with other groups. On the other hand if you could start a different topic on your allegations it would be nice to know more since I have no information of what you've stated and i've in fact always seen Dr Ghassemlou in a positive light, who as you say yourself never advocated for the seperation of Iran.


But I don't want to be a party to disintegration of Iran either. And if that disintegration is being championed by a communist, terrorist-aligned group with suspecious claims and contacts, I feel obliged to expose it.
And neither do I approve of the disintegration of Iran. You however wrote a very heavy statement in regards to PJAK; you accused them of being a:

well known separatist-marxist-terrorist organization
!

Nowhere in their agenda does it say they seek the seperation of Iranian kurdistan but I brought to your attention that the exact opposite was explicitly stated by them. They are not marxist either and I brought this to your attention as well and lastly I consider you accusation that they are a terrorist origanization to be false as well. The party makes it clear that it's working towards the end of the rule of mullah's and wants to see democracy established in Iran, and for the right of Iranian kurds to be recognized (equality of all Iranians).


BTW your dismissal of the call for action when Iran was being labelled part of the arab world as simply "a game" (which will be played my hundreds of thousands of people) that is not worth you time to correct really doesn't work in your favour at all. It doesn't really seem to bother you that Iran is depicted as part of the arab world and when people are being educated into believing so as well you don't seem to mind either. We've discussed it and I brought it to your attention because it proved a point of mine.



Ba Sepaas
 
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Every province has their own flag.
Really? Please do post the flags of various Iranian provinces.

My friend, I think you are very naive about the intention of these ethnic separatist groups. They all claim they want nothing but just their rightful place in a federation, but will do just the opposite when opportunity arises. Look at the history, especially the 1940-45 and 1979 period.
 
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