Learning from history ...

spanx

Bench Warmer
Dec 19, 2005
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#1
These people seem like they've all been put under a spell and been brainwashed, I was not alive during these times but watching this was a big wake up call.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1N4b7Ev7zA&feature=related"]YouTube - ‫انقلاب ایران Ùˆ رÙ￾راندوم مردم ایران‬‎[/ame]
 

The_Referee

National Team Player
Mar 26, 2005
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#2
I do not blame them for voting for IRI then. They did not know what is to come and they did.
Please bear in mind, even if IRI and its constitution had been respected, we would not have had this suppressive measures. The problem is not really what law is there and if majority can vote for one thing or the other. The problem is any law is not respected and freedom of expression of majority, let alone minority is not respected.

Here is the part of the constitution about rights of people and see how many parts of it have been violated by IRI, even when people conform to Islam (those in red have been so clearly and indisputably violated):

[SIZE=+1]Article 19[/SIZE]
All people of Iran, whatever the ethnic group or tribe to which they belong, enjoy equal rights; and color, race, language, and the like, do not bestow any privilege.
[SIZE=+1]Article 20[/SIZE]
All citizens of the country, both men and women, equally enjoy the protection of the law and enjoy all human, political, economic, social, and cultural rights, in conformity with Islamic criteria.
[SIZE=+1]Article 21[/SIZE]
The government must ensure the rights of women in all respects, in conformity with Islamic criteria, and accomplish the following goals:

  • 1.create a favorable environment for the growth of woman's personality and the restoration of her rights, both the material and intellectual;
    2.the protection of mothers, particularly during pregnancy and childbearing, and the protection of children without guardians;
    3.establishing competent courts to protect and preserve the family;
    4.the provision of special insurance for widows, and aged women and women without support;
    5.the awarding of guardianship of children to worthy mothers, in order to protect the interests of the children, in the absence of a legal guardian.
[SIZE=+1]Article 22[/SIZE] The dignity, life, property, rights, residence, and occupation of the individual are inviolate, except in cases sanctioned by law.

[SIZE=+1]Article 23[/SIZE]
The investigation of individuals' beliefs is forbidden, and no one may be molested or taken to task simply for holding a certain belief.

[SIZE=+1]Article 24[/SIZE]
Publications and the press have freedom of expression except when it is detrimental to the fundamental principles of Islam or the rights of the public. The details of this exception will be specified by law.

[SIZE=+1]Article 25[/SIZE]
The inspection of letters and the failure to deliver them, the recording and disclosure of telephone conversations, the disclosure of telegraphic and telex communications, censorship, or the willful failure to transmit them, eavesdropping, and all forms of covert investigation are forbidden, except as provided by law.

[SIZE=+1]Article 26[/SIZE]
The formation of parties, societies, political or professional associations, as well as religious societies, whether Islamic or pertaining to one of the recognized religious minorities, is permitted provided they do not violate the principles of independence, freedom, national unity, the criteria of Islam, or the basis of the Islamic republic. No one may be prevented from participating in the aforementioned groups, or be compelled to participate in them.

[SIZE=+1]Article 27[/SIZE]
Public gatherings and marches may be freely held, provided arms are not carried and that they are not detrimental to the fundamental principles of Islam.

[SIZE=+1]Article 28[/SIZE]
Everyone has the right to choose any occupation he wishes, if it is not contrary to Islam and the public interests, and does not infringe the rights of others. The government has the duty, with due consideration of the need of society for different kinds of work, to provide every citizen with the opportunity to work, and to create equal conditions for obtaining it.


[SIZE=+1]Article 29[/SIZE]
To benefit from social security with respect to retirement, unemployment, old age, disability, absence of a guardian, and benefits relating to being stranded, accidents, health services, and medical care and treatment, provided through Insurance or other means, is accepted as a universal right. The government must provide the foregoing services and financial support for every individual citizen by drawing, in accordance with the law, on the national revenues and funds obtained through public contributions.

[SIZE=+1]Article 30[/SIZE]
The government must provide all citizens with free-education up to secondary school, and must expand free higher education to the extent required by the country for attaining self-sufficiency.

[SIZE=+1]Article 31[/SIZE]
It is the right of every Iranian individual and family to possess housing commensurate with his nods. The government must maker land available for the implementation of this article, according priority to those whose need is greatest, in particular the rural population and the workers.

[SIZE=+1]Article 33[/SIZE]
No one can be banished from his place of residence, prevented from residing in the place of his choice, or compelled to reside in a given locality, except in cases provided by law.

[SIZE=+1]Article 34[/SIZE]
It is the indisputable right of every citizen to seek justice by recourse to competent courts. All citizens have right of access to such courts, and no one can be barred from courts to which he has a legal right of recourse.

[SIZE=+1]Article 35[/SIZE]
Both parties to a lawsuit have the right in all courts of law to select an attorney, and if they are unable to do so, arrangements must be made to provide them with legal counsel.

[SIZE=+1]Article 36[/SIZE]
The passing and execution of a sentence must be only by a competent court and in accordance with law.

[SIZE=+1]Article 37[/SIZE]
Innocence is to be presumed, and no one is to be held guilty of a charge unless his or her guilt has been established by a competent court.

[SIZE=+1]Article 38[/SIZE]
All forms of torture for the purpose of extracting confession or acquiring information are forbidden. Compulsion of individuals to testify, confess, or take an oath is not permissible; and any testimony, confession, or oath obtained under duress is devoid of value and credence. Violation of this article is liable to punishment in accordance with the law.

[SIZE=+1]Article 39[/SIZE]
All affronts to the dignity and repute of persons arrested, detained, imprisoned, or banished in accordance with the law, whatever form they may take, are forbidden and liable to punishment.

[SIZE=+1]Article 40[/SIZE]
No one is entitled to exercise his rights in a way injurious to others or detrimental to public interests.


[SIZE=+1]Article 41[/SIZE]
Iranian citizenship is the indisputable right of every Iranian, and the government cannot withdraw citizenship from any Iranian unless he himself requests it or acquires the citizenship of another country.

[SIZE=+1]Article 42[/SIZE]
Foreign nationals may acquire Iranian citizenship within the framework of the laws. Citizenship may be withdrawn from such persons if another State accepts them as its citizens or if they request it.
 
Oct 20, 2003
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#4
" ... in conformity with Islamic criteria"

Basically, all bets are off!

:confused:
That was not something new, similar language was in the old constitution originally passed after Enghelab Mashruteh in 1906. Here is excerpt from Wikipedia:
Article 1 and 2 of the laws, established Islam as the official religion of Iran, and specified that all laws of the nation must be approved by a committee of Shi'a clerics. Later, these two articles were mainly ignored by the Pahlavis, which sometimes resulted in anger and uprising of clerics and religious masses
He is the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Constitution_of_1906#Role_of_clerics
 

mowj

National Team Player
May 14, 2005
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#5
The IR constitution is a spagetti web that each string you pick up is attached to Vali Vaghih and his aparatus.

If Majlis is inactive on assault on people, if Khebregan is in coma, if Judiciary is salting people's wound is all because of Guardian council hand picked them to behave as they do not. Get a plundered salary and step all over people to protect the militarist religous fascist plunders.

Khatami and Mousavi tried to bring rule of law but the very same system by the very same law blocked them.
This law do not allow any decent human being to do anyhting for the benefit of people in conflict with the Vali Vaghih.

This constitution has a few good article but not under Vali Vaghih aparatus.
Vali Vaghih and its entire aparatus must go. Last 4 years 300 billion dollars were at stake and we see the how the law tries to protect the plunders of that revenue.
 
Jun 7, 2004
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#6
Why not also observe the positive. Right at the beginning: now that is a very, very wise women, more so than all the men in that video put together. How can you vote for just a name?

Her words are that much more impressive if one puts it in perspective. At the time the nation was consumed with emotions and people could not think straight.

As for the Islamic Republic constitution it is a pathetic work. I am sure any number of American University students could do better. It is an incredibly contradictory document that will bring harm to anyone who follows it. Now other human works are also inconsistent and contradictory but this one is just pathetic.
 
Feb 11, 2009
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#7
you can have the world's best constitution
but as long as you do not possess a balance of power
created largely due to a freely elected legislative, a legitimate executive and a secular independent judiciary, your constitution will not be taken seriously.


long live free secular and independent iran
cleanse from this current hearsay