IDM does have a bit of a point though. The English, even if they are patriotic are really divided. Take Carragher, he has stated that coming back was a one-time deal and that he cares more for Liverpool. If you talk to a merseysider and ask "win the league or win the WC", I'm pretty sure it won't be an easy choice.
Nagoftam?
But seriously if a player doesn't care for NT then he should be man enough to reject the invitation to play for NT. Nothing wrong with that. You come out and say I am dedicated to Liverpool/MU/etc. and want to focus on my club rather than NT so thanks but no thanks. Once you doned the NT jersey digeh baghiash zereh moft zadaneh keh motivated naboodam va az in koso shera. Motivated naboodi goh khordi oomadi bazi koni. Gerrard (though the best player in this tournament for England), Rooney, Lampard, Terry, etc they all fucking sucked! No excuse for that.
Besides they cost me a lot in two pools I participated so it is personal too!
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Yeah, you're singing to the choir then because I agree. I thought you were making that point when you were basically saying the opposite for Messi.
Especially in this age where the leagues/CL are playing a much higher level of football. In the WC, teams that have played with each other for a while/have a system are probably better bets than teams with many better players. You get so few of those with the same combination, but Germany, Holland and Spain (I am not sure about Uruguay) have that down.
Especially in this age where the leagues/CL are playing a much higher level of football. In the WC, teams that have played with each other for a while/have a system are probably better bets than teams with many better players. You get so few of those with the same combination, but Germany, Holland and Spain (I am not sure about Uruguay) have that down.
4-3-1-2 to 3-5-2 to 3-5-1-1, you are all over the place to prove your point...
And now you are again to make a dust with your general statements. Go back to the sunject, it is not about Messi is not a great player, it is not about if he did poorly in one or all games, it is not about he can't ever win anything at the national level. It is only about that he did not show leadership in his first world cup, something Maradona did.
And now you are again to make a dust with your general statements. Go back to the sunject, it is not about Messi is not a great player, it is not about if he did poorly in one or all games, it is not about he can't ever win anything at the national level. It is only about that he did not show leadership in his first world cup, something Maradona did.
Here is something for thought -- the top 11 scorers of this Cup are (according to league, so you can think twice before trashing)
1. David Villa (Spain - Valencia / Barcelona)
2. Gonzalo Higuaín (Spain - Real Madrid)
2. Thomas Müller (Germany - Bayern Munich)
2. Róbert Vittek (Turkey - Ankaragücü)
2. Miroslav Klose (Germany - Bayern Munich)
2. Wesley Sneijder (Italy - Internazionale)
7. Luís Fabiano (Spain - Sevilla)
7. Landon Donovan (USA - Los Angeles Galaxy / England - Everton)
7. Luis Suárez (Netherlands - Ajax)
7. Asamoah Gyan (France - Rennes)
7. Diego Forlan (Spain - Atlético Madrid)
Top Scorers Produced By League:
1.Spain's La Liga: 4
2.Germany's Bundesliga: 2
3.Turkey's SuperLig: 1
3.Italy's Serie A: 1
3.Netherlands' Eredivisie: 1
3.France's League 1: 1
7.United States' MLS: .5
7.England's Premier League: .5
This isn't to say that these leagues are as good as what they have produced...but the evidence does reflect something for those leagues which have an attacking flare as opposed to the more defensive or less talented leagues.
1. David Villa (Spain - Valencia / Barcelona)
2. Gonzalo Higuaín (Spain - Real Madrid)
2. Thomas Müller (Germany - Bayern Munich)
2. Róbert Vittek (Turkey - Ankaragücü)
2. Miroslav Klose (Germany - Bayern Munich)
2. Wesley Sneijder (Italy - Internazionale)
7. Luís Fabiano (Spain - Sevilla)
7. Landon Donovan (USA - Los Angeles Galaxy / England - Everton)
7. Luis Suárez (Netherlands - Ajax)
7. Asamoah Gyan (France - Rennes)
7. Diego Forlan (Spain - Atlético Madrid)
Top Scorers Produced By League:
1.Spain's La Liga: 4
2.Germany's Bundesliga: 2
3.Turkey's SuperLig: 1
3.Italy's Serie A: 1
3.Netherlands' Eredivisie: 1
3.France's League 1: 1
7.United States' MLS: .5
7.England's Premier League: .5
This isn't to say that these leagues are as good as what they have produced...but the evidence does reflect something for those leagues which have an attacking flare as opposed to the more defensive or less talented leagues.
4-3-1-2 to 3-5-2 what? Dude, Bilardo says himself he invented 3-5-2. Yet you are here to argue something different. Maradona played the enganche, which means and he had 2 forwards in his team in Valdano and Burruchagga. Please tell me what the system was! I'm dieing to know!
Maradona's first world cup was in 1982 though and he showed there ANYTHING BUT leadership with a great Argentinian team that also featured Mario Kempes. Sorry Doc. I know you doctor guys from Melli are pretty confident of yourselves, but your numbers don't add up.
Maradona's first world cup was in 1982 though and he showed there ANYTHING BUT leadership with a great Argentinian team that also featured Mario Kempes. Sorry Doc. I know you doctor guys from Melli are pretty confident of yourselves, but your numbers don't add up.
Uruguay is the odd team out, but Netherlands rely on a huge block of former and current Ajax players, Germany have a lot of Bayern players in the team, plus guys who played together in the U-21 World Cup they won and Spain is basically Barca without Messi, 3 Real Madrid players and Torres. For some reasons Torres is the one player fitting in worst for many reasons, partly injury, partly style of play. This kind of says it all.
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I'm questioning the "Messi sucked but Tevez was great" logic.
Tevez had 1 great goal and 1 goal from offside, where he headed in a shot that was bound for goal by Messi.
Argentina played better without him against South Korea.
He didn't provide anything against Nigeria really.
Against germany, he missed a great chance, in offense intercepted the few through passes his team played and defensively didn't do his job. tactically, he was an overall mess. (running around doesn't mean you play good)
great tournament?? Really?? And Messi who was involved in 8 out of 10 Argetinians goals was a disappointment?
Just saying...
Tevez had 1 great goal and 1 goal from offside, where he headed in a shot that was bound for goal by Messi.
Argentina played better without him against South Korea.
He didn't provide anything against Nigeria really.
Against germany, he missed a great chance, in offense intercepted the few through passes his team played and defensively didn't do his job. tactically, he was an overall mess. (running around doesn't mean you play good)
great tournament?? Really?? And Messi who was involved in 8 out of 10 Argetinians goals was a disappointment?
Just saying...
he's not questioning it, he's just pointing out the unnecessary praise handed out to him..I kind of hold the same view on Tevez, while he is wonderful in pressing and regaining possession high up the field and has a decent hold-up play (although not necessary in Argentina's game plan), when his team have the ball, his tactical movement is not very intelligent. He does tend to drift out of position and into other players' territory which comes from a lack of tactical discipline.
I know all the hustling makes his game very attractive and passionate but you have to notice his deficiencies, a part of the reason he didn't cut it in Manchester United maybe (although there is some controversy surrounding that)...
I know all the hustling makes his game very attractive and passionate but you have to notice his deficiencies, a part of the reason he didn't cut it in Manchester United maybe (although there is some controversy surrounding that)...
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agha, you know i like you but i have to react with this post which is rather ridiculous. I'm sorry but even on repeated reading I have to say these things, please don't get offended:
You have chosen the exception to the rule as being representative in some way
Firstly Carragher is a huge exception. I love the guy, and he is the only player who would choose club over country in the England set-up.
Gerrard would choose country over club. Fact. Speak to him. Other scousers equally so: Owen loves his country, Rooney has a fucking tattoo of England on his arm and can be seen on billboards around the country coloured in St George's cross. Dude, come on, imagine Puyol draped in spanish flag paint on a poster in Barcelona - he would be lynched!!
I mean come on, "if you talk to a merseysider". Agha you are saying this from the other side of the world. I was born and went to school there, I'm telling you out of all the scousers in the EPL or championship only Carragher would choose club over country
None of the others would. The English, even regionally speaking have no way near as much anti-establishment sentiment as spain (catalan, basque followed by all the other regions), or the french players who would choose "Droit Au But" over the blue shirt any day!
You have chosen the exception to the rule as being representative in some way
Firstly Carragher is a huge exception. I love the guy, and he is the only player who would choose club over country in the England set-up.
Gerrard would choose country over club. Fact. Speak to him. Other scousers equally so: Owen loves his country, Rooney has a fucking tattoo of England on his arm and can be seen on billboards around the country coloured in St George's cross. Dude, come on, imagine Puyol draped in spanish flag paint on a poster in Barcelona - he would be lynched!!
I mean come on, "if you talk to a merseysider". Agha you are saying this from the other side of the world. I was born and went to school there, I'm telling you out of all the scousers in the EPL or championship only Carragher would choose club over country
None of the others would. The English, even regionally speaking have no way near as much anti-establishment sentiment as spain (catalan, basque followed by all the other regions), or the french players who would choose "Droit Au But" over the blue shirt any day!
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