Mousavi not accepting defeat it seems!

Oct 16, 2002
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It'd be the most foolish thing to accept defeat. He's screwed one way or another. AN will not allow him to live peacefully for the rest of his life. He might as well do something with his life.

This all depends on Rafsanjani. He's the one that can significantly gain from the current frustration. If he decides to utilize Mousavi, Karoubi and Rezaei's voters against the Supreme Burrito's team, then we'll have a real battle, otherwise it's a lost cause.
 
Oct 16, 2002
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مهندس مير حسين موسوی، پيامی را منتشر کرد. متن پيام به شرح زير است:
ملت شريف ايران
نتايجی که برای دهمين دوره انتخابات رياست جمهوری اعلام شد بهت آور است مردمی که در صفهای طولانی اخذ رای شاهد ترکيب آرا بودند و خود می دانند که به چه کسی رای داده اند با حيرت تمام به شعبده بازی دست اندرکاران انتخابات و صدا و سيما نگاه می کنند.



آنان اينک بيش از هميشه به دنبال آن هستند که بدانند چگونه و توسط چه کسانی و مقاماتی طرح اين بازی بزرگ ريخته شده است. اينجانب ضمن اعتراض شديد به روند موجود و تخلفات آشکار و فراوان روز انتخابات هشدار می دهم که تسليم اين صحنه آرايی خطرناک نخواهم شد. نتيجه آنچه که از عملکرد متصديان بی امانت ديده ايم و می بينيم جز تزلزل ارکان نظام مقدس جمهوری اسلامی ايران و حاکميت دروغ و استبداد نيست. اينجانب طبق وظيفه شرعی و ملی خويش به افشای رازهای پشت سر اين روند پرمخاطره خواهم پرداخت و آثار نابود کننده آن را بر سرنوشت کشور توضيح خواهم داد و ترس آن دارم که ادامه وضع موجود همه نيروهای موثر در نظام را به توجيه گرانی دروغگو در مقابل مردم تبديل کند و دنيا و آخرت آنان را در معرض لطمه های جبران ناپذير قرار دهد.
به مسوولان توصيه می کنم بيش از آن که دير شود اين روند را فورا متوقف کنند و همگی به خط قانون و امانتداری از آرای ملت بازگردند و بدانند که خروج از عدالت مشروعيت زداست. آنان بيش از هر کس ديگر از اين حقيقت باخبرند که در اين کشور انقلابی بزرگ و اسلامی صورت گرفته است. کمترين پيام انقلاب ما اين است که مردم آگاهند و در برابر کسانی که با تقلب روی کار بيايند تمکين نخواهند کرد.
اينجانب از همين فرصت استفاده ميکنم و ضمن تشکر از عواطف ملت بزرگوار ايران به آنان تذکر می دهم که ايران اين موجود آسمانی متعلق به آنان است و نه متقلبان، اين آنان هستند که بايد با هوشياری خود از آن حفاظت کنند. خائنين به آراء مردم ابايی از آن ندارند که اين خانه پارسايان به آتش کشيده شود. ما موج عقلانيت سبز خود را که برگرفته از تعاليم دينی و علايق ملت ما به اهل بيت پيامبر(ص) است با تمامی شور ادامه می دهيم و با شورش دروغ که در کشور طغيان کرده و چهره آن را آلوده است مبارزه ميکنيم، اما اجازه نخواهيم داد که حرکات ما شکل کور به خود بگيرد.
جا دارد از يکايک شهروندانی که برای رساندن اين پيام سبز هر کدام ستادی بودند و تمامی ستادهای مردمی و رسمی که در انتخابات فعاليت ميکردند سپاسگذاری کنم و تاکيد نمايم که تا رسيدن به نتيجه ای که کشور ما لايق آن است همچنان به حضور و تلاش آنان نياز است.
و ما لنا الا نتوکل علی الله و قد هدانا سبلنا و لنصبرن علی ما اذيتمونا و ع لی الله فليتو کل المتوکلون
 
May 12, 2007
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کودتای خامنه***ای و سپاه علیه مردم

در انتخابات ریاست جمهوری در ایران، شق بدبینانه***ی پیش***بینی***ها درست از آب درآمد. هسته***ی اصلی قدرت اجازه نداد رای مردم تعیین***کننده*** در گزینه***های موجود برای ریاست قوه مجریه باشد. خامنه***ای و حزب پادگانی که تصور استقبالی گسترده از نامزد اصلاح***طلبان و شکست مفتضحانه***ی نامزد دزد و دروغگوی خود را نداشتند، چاره***ی کار را در تغییر آرای مردم دیدند.




Sat / 13 06 2009 / 2:56


در انتخابات ریاست جمهوری در ایران، شق بدبینانه***ی پیش***بینی***ها درست از آب درآمد. هسته***ی اصلی قدرت در ایران اجازه نداد رای مردم تعیین***کننده*** در گزینه***های موجود برای ریاست قوه مجریه باشد. خامنه***ای و حزب پادگانی که تصور استقبالی گسترده از نامزد اصلاح***طلبان و شکست مفتضحانه***ی نامزد دزد و دروغگوی خود را نداشتند، چاره***ی کار را در تغییر آرای مردم دیدند.

اینکه چه بلایی سر آرای مردم آوردند، بحث فنی قضایا است. می***توان از مواردی مثل بازی با کد انتخاباتی نامزدها، جلوگیری از رای***دادن مردم در حوزه***ها به بهانه***ی پایان یافتن تعرفه***ها و یا صاف و ساده خواندن آرای موسوی به نام احمدی***نژاد و دهها حقه و شگرد دیگر که بعدها همه رو خواهد شد، صحبت کرد. لیکن تردیدی در دستکاری آشکار در آرای مردم وجود ندارد.

همه***ی عالم هفته***ها بود که شاهد تحولات ایران بودند و همگان می***دانستند نامزد دروغ***گو و حقه***باز حزب پادگانی و ولی فقیه در چه موقعتیی است و دیگر نامزدها از چه مقبولیتی در میان مردم برخوردارند.

وقتی نمایندگان نامزدها از حضور در وزارت کشور در روند تجمیع آرا منع شدند، بسیاری متوجه بوی توطئه*** شدند. لیکن اصلاح***طلبان خوش***خیال گویا حساب چنین کودتایی را نمی***کردند و شد آنچه نباید بشود.

حالا روشن می***شود آنچه که «مانور اقتدار» نامیده می***شد، کودتای آرام علیه رای و نظر مردیم بود. براستی حکومت و رهبرانی که همراه و هم***دل مردم***اند، چه دلیلی دارد که به مردم چنگ و دندان نشان دهند؟

حالا می***شود دریافت چرا وقتی صحبت از نظارت بین***المللی بر «انتخابات» در ایران می***شد، رگ***های گردن علی خامنه***ای باد می***کرد.

اکنون مردم ایران با کودتای آشکار حاکمان دروغگو و منفور در برابر خواست و اراده***ی خود روبروست. آنکه مردم انتخاب کرده بودند جزیی از نظام و از مسئولان و مقام***های سابق نظام بود. اما علی خامنه***ای به خاطر جاه***طلبی***اش و حزب پادگانی برای اینکه دستش همچنان در غارت بیت***المال باز باشد، به جای پذیرش آرای مردم دست به کودتا علیه مردم زدند.

از تهران خبر می***رسد که موسوی را به هنگام رفتن به طرف اقامت***گاه خامنه***ای بازداشت شده است. گویا او به وزارت اطلاعات منتقل شده است و زیر فشار قرار دارد تا کاری خلاف میل خامنه***ای و حزب پادگانی***اش انجام ندهد. اطراف وزارت کشور سنگربندی شده و مغازه***های اطراف وزارت کشور را وادار به تعطیل کردن مغازه***ها کرده***اند.

آقای خامنه***ای خوش دارد ادعا کند که حضور مردم برای تایید نظام است، اگر چنین است چرا باید نظام علیه مردم دست به کودتا بزند؟ این کودتا کشور را در وضعیتی بسیار بدی در داخل و خارج قرار خواهد داد. مسئولیت عواقب کودتا علیه مردم و هر بلایی که بر سر کشور بیاید با آقای علی خامنه***ای و دستگاه سلطانی اوست.

نظامی که همه***ی راه***ها را برای اصلاح و بهبود اوضاع می***بندد قطعا شایسته اعتماد مردم نخواهد بود. آنان که راه را بر اصلاح مسالمت***آمیز می***بندند راه انفجار و عصیان را هموار می***کنند. آقای خامنه***ای دور نیست روزی که شما هم صدای انقلاب مردم را بشنوید.
 
Mar 2, 2003
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Mousavi has every right not to concede defeat. To demand a recount and an investigation. But I don't think he has the right to claim having 'won' the election. That is absurd since the winner is the person whose votes are counted and confirmed by representatives of all the candidates.

Here is how I see the situation:

1- The numbers released so far by the Interior Ministry do look suspicious and do not really match even the best estimates I could come up with of how well Ahmadinejad would do in this election. That doesn't mean there was cheating necessarily, but it raises doubts and questions that need to be looked at carefully.

2- The official results are those which are finally confirmed by the GC. We don't have that yet and I noticed the Interior Ministry was not releasing new numbers the past few hours.

3- While cheating cannot be ruled out, it should be recalled that there are many layers of protection and precautions in how these votes are cast and counted. Essentially, the ballots in each of the boxes are read in front of representatives from each of the candidates, who are supposed to sign off on the vote count before the go to the Interior Ministry and are released. And in this election in particular, voter national ID card numbers were written down before each ballot was handed for each of the boxes, with the intent to give an additional tool to verify that each box reflected votes from actual voters.
 
Jan 23, 2003
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Mousavi has every right not to concede defeat. To demand a recount and an investigation. But I don't think he has the right to claim having 'won' the election. That is absurd since the winner is the person whose votes are counted and confirmed by representatives of all the candidates.

Here is how I see the situation:

The numbers released so far by the Interior Ministry do look suspicious and do not really match even the best estimates I could come up with of how well Ahmadinejad would do in this election. That doesn't mean there was cheating necessarily, but it raises doubts and questions that need to be looked at carefully.
More suspicious is that Moussavis performance is similar to Rafsanjani's of 4 years ago when then there was mass voter apathy and many just voted against Him. This year all reformers were utilized for Moussavi. It really doesnt add up.

Also Karroubi's poorperformance is also strange
 

ball_hugger

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Mousavi has every right not to concede defeat. To demand a recount and an investigation. But I don't think he has the right to claim having 'won' the election. That is absurd since the winner is the person whose votes are counted and confirmed by representatives of all the candidates.

Here is how I see the situation:

1- The numbers released so far by the Interior Ministry do look suspicious and do not really match even the best estimates I could come up with of how well Ahmadinejad would do in this election. That doesn't mean there was cheating necessarily, but it raises doubts and questions that need to be looked at carefully.

2- The official results are those which are finally confirmed by the GC. We don't have that yet and I noticed the Interior Ministry was not releasing new numbers the past few hours.

3- While cheating cannot be ruled out, it should be recalled that there are many layers of protection and precautions in how these votes are cast and counted. Essentially, the ballots in each of the boxes are read in front of representatives from each of the candidates, who are supposed to sign off on the vote count before the go to the Interior Ministry and are released. And in this election in particular, voter national ID card numbers were written down before each ballot was handed for each of the boxes, with the intent to give an additional tool to verify that each box reflected votes from actual voters.
no mousavi representatives at 50% of ballots when they where counted and tallied,,, election should be void
 
May 12, 2007
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Mousavi has every right not to concede defeat. To demand a recount and an investigation. But I don't think he has the right to claim having 'won' the election. That is absurd since the winner is the person whose votes are counted and confirmed by representatives of all the candidates.
If this is the way you decide who is right on something who is not then
I understand you left US and live in Iran.
Mosavi has every right to claim he was the winner. Even Reuter and other western media have talked about cheating.
 
May 12, 2007
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It'd be the most foolish thing to accept defeat. He's screwed one way or another. AN will not allow him to live peacefully for the rest of his life. He might as well do something with his life.

This all depends on Rafsanjani. He's the one that can significantly gain from the current frustration. If he decides to utilize Mousavi, Karoubi and Rezaei's voters against the Supreme Burrito's team, then we'll have a real battle, otherwise it's a lost cause.
Specially Rafsanjani should know if he dosen't do anything he will come in trouble soon or later. So as I said this dose not end her.
 
May 12, 2007
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کرباسچی : در حال صحبت با دفتر رهبری هستیم ، همه چیز باور نکردنی است

کرباسچی در صفحه خود در twitter : در حال صحبت با دفتر رهبری هستیم ، همه چیز باور نکردنی است.
 
May 12, 2007
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واکنش در خارج
به گفته خبرگزاری رویتر، بسیاری از تحلیل***گران سیاسی در غرب نتایج انتخابات ایران را نادرست خوانده و احتمال تقلب وسیع در انتخابات را مطرح می***کنند.
برغم تمدید چند ساعته رأی***گیری، بسیاری از مردم در روز جمعه (۲۲ خرداد) موفق به انداختن آرای خود در صندوق***ها نشدند.
به گفته کریم سجاپور، کارشناس مسایل سیاسی در واشنگتن، «هیچ***کس نمی***توانست امکان تقلب تا این حد*** را پیش***بینی کند. این یک انتصاب بود، و نه یک انتخاب.»
تریتا پارسی، سرپرست انجمن ایران و آمریکا درباره نتیجه انتخابات گفت: «پس از اعلام نتایج، تمام مبارزه انتخاباتی شبیه یک نمایش به نظر می***رسد. اگر احمدی***نژاد در دور اول، با ۵۵ یا ۵۱ درصد آرا انتخابات را برده بود، می***شد، به گونه***ای آنرا توجیه کرد، اما نتایج رسمی اعلام شده، بسیار عجیب به نظر می***رسد.
 
Mar 2, 2003
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More suspicious is that Moussavis performance is similar to Rafsanjani's of 4 years ago when then there was mass voter apathy and many just voted against Him. This year all reformers were utilized for Moussavi. It really doesnt add up.

Also Karroubi's poorperformance is also strange
I don't agree that Karrubi poor performance is strange. He was doing poorly in all the polls leading up to this election.

I went and looked again at why I miscalculated the outcome of this election. I did so assuming there was no fraud, looking at the only scientific poll taken before the election. Once I looked closely again at what that poll indicated, frankly the result is not all that surprising. As long as you accept one lesson from this election: that the whole "boycot" or "not boycot" the election crowd have marginal influence with merely a few million people listening to them. Otherwise, once you accept that premise, the results totally fit the picture that was shown through the poll by Terror Free Tomorrow, where Ahmadinejad started with almost 16 million committed voters whereas Mousavi had only 6.5 million. The majority of the undecided, who constituted 12.5 million, apparently chose Ahmadinejad while only around 40-45% of the undecided chose Mousavi. A million or so voters who had indicated they would not vote ended up voting, presumably all of them for Mousavi. (In that poll, voter turnout was projected at 82% while the actual turnout was 85%).
 
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I don't agree that Karrubi poor performance is strange. He was doing poorly in all the polls leading up to this election.

I went and looked again at why I miscalculated the outcome of this election. I did so assuming there was no fraud, looking at the only scientific poll taken before the election. Once I looked closely again at what that poll indicated, frankly the result is not all that surprising. As long as you accept one lesson from this election: that the whole "boycot" or "not boycot" the election crowd have marginal influence with merely a few million people listening to them. Otherwise, once you accept that premise, the results totally fit the picture that was shown through the poll by Terror Free Tomorrow, where Ahmadinejad started with almost 16 million committed voters whereas Mousavi had only 6.5 million. The majority of the undecided, who constituted 12.5 million, apparently chose Ahmadinejad while only around 40-45% of the undecided chose Mousavi. A million or so voters who had indicated they would not vote ended up voting, presumably all of them for Mousavi. (In that poll, voter turnout was projected at 82% while the actual turnout was 85%).
Ken with all the respect I have for you but this is reminding me of Ahmadinejad showing graph after graph about Irans economy

Rafsanjani, with all his unpopularity and the boycot of all the reform count (believe me more than a few million) got 10 million. I cannot believe Moussavi would have got only 12 million this time.

I myself know of so many people who were voting for the first time ever. heck my cousins who cant read/write persian and never lived in Iran went and voted. There are older people in Iran who voted for the first time (obviously against AN) I am sure there are many many more like this. This is why there is an 82% turn out but they seemed to have hijacked it in Ahmadinejads favour.

Time and time I read about Rafsanjani's power and wealth I hope to god it is true and he could excercise this power (as head of khobregan) from preventing Iran to further slip into the duldrums

I feel like an idiot dragging my family to do so as well. I will never vote again especially if Khamenei/Sepah have the same power in 4 years time.
 
Jan 23, 2003
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Oh I forgot to add:

Am sure if Karroubi's fako famil voted he'd get more than that, nevermind in lorestan.

they gave AN a comfortable 24million so he can beat Khatami's record and a mandate to do whatever he wants!
 

Sabzi

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Ken with all the respect I have for you but this is reminding me of Ahmadinejad showing graph after graph about Irans economy

Rafsanjani, with all his unpopularity and the boycot of all the reform count (believe me more than a few million) got 10 million. I cannot believe Moussavi would have got only 12 million this time.

I myself know of so many people who were voting for the first time ever. heck my cousins who cant read/write persian and never lived in Iran went and voted. There are older people in Iran who voted for the first time (obviously against AN) I am sure there are many many more like this. This is why there is an 82% turn out but they seemed to have hijacked it in Ahmadinejads favour.

Time and time I read about Rafsanjani's power and wealth I hope to god it is true and he could excercise this power (as head of khobregan) from preventing Iran to further slip into the duldrums

I feel like an idiot dragging my family to do so as well. I will never vote again especially if Khamenei/Sepah have the same power in 4 years time.
Exactly. Everybody inside Iran that I heard of went and voted for Mussavi. The general sentiments werde directed against Ahmadinejad. There are millions of people in the big cities and some people here are really trying to justify the most absurd outcome of this election, a win by nearly 2/3 of the votes. Yeah, right.

This was not an election, this was a show with a set-up outcome.

Btw, even people like my grandparents went and voted for the first time in god knowns how many years (they live in Iran)... and they didnt vote for AN. There are just too many examples of people who went to vote this time just to stop Ahmadinejad... and suddenly he gets so many votes?