Mousavi's statements

Jun 18, 2005
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Dear Iran Zamin

I do not care who is thanking my posts and I am here to discuss the issues rather than debating whether some dude has two handles or three handles or 5...

I do not think I need to discuss what a jackass murderer Khamenei is. That is pretty established at this point. I do not see why I need to debate that. However Mousavi's past is something else and it should be discussed.

I was told in another thread that people were chanting Allaho Akbar on the rooftops in 2009 but it is not as if they wanted an Islamic government. And they were supportive of Mousavi who wants to go back to the roots of this revolution. So he does not mean that either?

I am told this is not black and white. Ezzatolah Sahabi says we should follow Mousavi. Kheyli bebakhshid mage zamane enghelab hamin Sanjabi va baghie nemigoftan Khomeini ro dar yabid? :confused:
 

Zob Ahan

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#83
Dear Iran Zamin

I do not care who is thanking my posts and I am here to discuss the issues rather than debating whether some dude has two handles or three handles or 5...

I do not think I need to discuss what a jackass murderer Khamenei is. That is pretty established at this point. I do not see why I need to debate that. However Mousavi's past is something else and it should be discussed.

I was told in another thread that people were chanting Allaho Akbar on the rooftops in 2009 but it is not as if they wanted an Islamic government. And they were supportive of Mousavi who wants to go back to the roots of this revolution. So he does not mean that either?

I am told this is not black and white. Ezzatolah Sahabi says we should follow Mousavi. Kheyli bebakhshid mage zamane enghelab hamin Sanjabi va baghie nemigoftan Khomeini ro dar yabid? :confused:
He never said anything like that. He might have endorsed him for the elections and thats it.
 

Farzad-USA

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#84
Dear Iran Zamin


I do not think I need to discuss what a jackass murderer Khamenei is. That is pretty established at this point. I do not see why I need to debate that. However Mousavi's past is something else and it should be discussed.
What do you want to discuss, you already made up your mind about him. You claimed Mousavi knew about the atrocities that were happening in Iran, what else is there to discuss.
My question to you is what are your evidence that this guy knew about is atrocities.
 
Jun 18, 2005
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He never said anything like that. He might have endorsed him for the elections and thats it.
Yes I was told upthread that he endorsed him for the elections and refrained people from extremism after Ashura day events. What a surprise. When it comes to great advices you can always count on the Jebhe Melli people.
 
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What do you want to discuss, you already made up your mind about him. You claimed Mousavi knew about the atrocities that were happening in Iran, what else is there to discuss.
My question to you is what are your evidence that this guy knew about is atrocities.
Uh, you probably did not read my posts carefully. I mentioned that people around him and his buddies even to this day are some hardcore criminals.

I used an example. Mohtashamipour. He was one of the founders of Lebanese Hezbollah. At the time Mohtashamipour was the interior minister in Mousavi's cabinet. Hala agha shodeh an opposition member and headed Mousavi's campaign's election supervision committee last year.

You are telling me Mousavi did not know about Mohtashamipour's history either? Aslan hichi nemidooneh digeh va az hich kodom az in kesafat kariha khabar nadashteh. And surprisingly he wants to go back to the time as well. Ajaba... :eek:
 

Zob Ahan

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Yes I was told upthread that he endorsed him for the elections and refrained people from extremism after Ashura day events. What a surprise. When it comes to great advices you can always count on the Jebhe Melli people.
Asking to refrain from extremism and endorsing Mousavi in the election=Follow Mousavi? That lacks any logic whatsoever. I am not even sure if he endorsed Mousavi. It is more likely that he would have endorsed Karoubi. Do you have a source on who he endorsed or is it upthread again.
 
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Asking to refrain from extremism and endorsing Mousavi in the election=Follow Mousavi? That lacks any logic whatsoever. I am not even sure if he endorsed Mousavi. It is more likely that he would have endorsed Karoubi. Do you have a source on who he endorsed or is it upthread again.
I thought as a moderator you were perhaps reading the posts more carefully. Abedzadeh in defense of Mousavi told me that I should go ask Ezatolah Sahabi on why he endorsed Mousavi and asked people to refrain from extremism after Ashura.
 

IranZamin

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#89
Dear Iran Zamin

I do not care who is thanking my posts and I am here to discuss the issues rather than debating whether some dude has two handles or three handles or 5...

I do not think I need to discuss what a jackass murderer Khamenei is. That is pretty established at this point. I do not see why I need to debate that. However Mousavi's past is something else and it should be discussed.
Multiple handles are relevant to the discussion of issues because they expose ulterior motives and hidden agendas of certain members.

As for discussing Mousavi's time in government, that is perfectly fine as long as we recognize that Khomeini and Rafsanjani had far more authority at the time than Mousavi or even Khamenei did. But listening to the propagandist you'd think Mousavi has personally ordered every murder in IR's history. And the motives are very clear and should not be ignored.

Last but not least, I would personally pause and reflect if an IR supporter thanked my posts, because that would mean I've unintentionally said something that helps his agenda.
 

Zob Ahan

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I thought as a moderator you were perhaps reading the posts more carefully. Abedzadeh in defense of Mousavi told me that I should go ask Ezatolah Sahabi on why he endorsed Mousavi and asked people to refrain from extremism after Ashura.
All I am asking is give us a source that shows Sahabi has told people to follow Mousavi. I will try to read the posts more carefully in the future
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Jun 18, 2005
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Multiple handles are relevant to the discussion of issues because they expose ulterior motives and hidden agendas of certain members.

As for discussing Mousavi's time in government, that is perfectly fine as long as we recognize that Khomeini and Rafsanjani had far more authority at the time than Mousavi or even Khamenei did. But listening to the propagandist you'd think Mousavi has personally ordered every murder in IR's history. And the motives are very clear and should not be ignored.

Last but not least, I would personally pause and reflect if an IR supporter thanked my posts, because that would mean I've unintentionally said something that helps his agenda.
I am not interesting in debating among Mousavi, Rafsanjani, and Khamenei who is worse because they are all criminals in my opinion.

Hala man biam inja begam Khamenei is a douchebag or Rafsanjani is a ghatel. I guess we all agree on that. But when I say the same about Mousavi then I hit a few nerves. As if he was somehow leading from a cubicle with no knowledge of atrocities that the regime, his ministers, or his emam were committing.

To this day I may add!
 

Abedzaadeh

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Asking to refrain from extremism and endorsing Mousavi in the election=Follow Mousavi? That lacks any logic whatsoever. I am not even sure if he endorsed Mousavi. It is more likely that he would have endorsed Karoubi. Do you have a source on who he endorsed or is it upthread again.
Hi Zob jan I brought this up..here is the video of Nehzat Azadi urging participation, i,e endorsing reformists I guess

YouTube - Nehzat Azadi Iran
 

Farzad-USA

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Uh, you probably did not read my posts carefully. I mentioned that people around him and his buddies even to this day are some hardcore criminals.

I used an example. Mohtashamipour. He was one of the founders of Lebanese Hezbollah. At the time Mohtashamipour was the interior minister in Mousavi's cabinet. Hala agha shodeh an opposition member and headed Mousavi's campaign's election supervision committee last year.

You are telling me Mousavi did not know about Mohtashamipour's history either? Aslan hichi nemidooneh digeh va az hich kodom az in kesafat kariha khabar nadashteh. And surprisingly he wants to go back to the time as well. Ajaba... :eek:
Read your own post:

I am not interesting in debating among Mousavi, Rafsanjani, and Khamenei who is worse because they are all criminals in my opinion.

Hala man biam inja begam Khamenei is a douchebag or Rafsanjani is a ghatel. I guess we all agree on that. But when I say the same about Mousavi then I hit a few nerves. As if he was somehow leading from a cubicle with no knowledge of atrocities that the regime, his ministers, or his emam were committing.


Again, what is it to discuss, you already made your decision about Mousavi. Move on!!
 
Jun 18, 2005
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Read your own post:

I am not interesting in debating among Mousavi, Rafsanjani, and Khamenei who is worse because they are all criminals in my opinion.

Hala man biam inja begam Khamenei is a douchebag or Rafsanjani is a ghatel. I guess we all agree on that. But when I say the same about Mousavi then I hit a few nerves. As if he was somehow leading from a cubicle with no knowledge of atrocities that the regime, his ministers, or his emam were committing.


Again, what is it to discuss, you already made your decision about Mousavi. Move on!!
Did you read my post on Mohtashamipour? If so what is your opinion?

People change? Hezbollah founder becomes Mousavi campaigns chief of investigation in voter irregularities?
 
Jun 18, 2005
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Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour is, after all, the Iranian who established Hezbollah in Lebanon. The first man who tried and failed was Mostafa Chamran…..In 1982, Mohtashamipour succeeded where Chamran had failed by convincing the new Hezbollah movement to accept Ayatollah Khomeini’s religious authority. The rest, as they say, is history.

You would be forgiven for thinking that Mohtashamipour is treated like a hero in Iran, but the reality is quite different. Many conservatives hate him; despite the fact that he created what many believe is Islamic Iran’s most successful political and military ally in the Middle East. The reason is simple: he is a reformist.

http://themoderatevoice.com/53688/h...ali-akbar-mohtashamipour-has-enemies-in-iran/



This was Mousavi's interior minister and also the man he put in charge last year of his campaign's manager to check into voting irregularities.
 

payan

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i think we should continue to support the iranian movement ,if anybody support that movement and are side by side with people of iran then we have no problem with anybody .
hadaf ,vasile ra tojih mikone .
bottom line is achieving democracy and freedom for iran and everyeach country on this planet .
 
Jun 18, 2005
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These are your reformists...



Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, head of the Headquarters for the Support of Palestinian Terrorism Campaign ( intifada ) with Khaled Mashal, head of Hamas's political bureau (right) and Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah general secretary (left). The meeting was held at the conference of Islamic scholars held in Beirut in January 2002.

Interviewed on August 3 by the Iranian reformist daily newspaper Sharq he admitted, in an exceptional statement, that Iranian long-range Zelzal 2 rockets were delivered to Hezbollah and that the organization, which he claimed was independent, would not hesitate to use them.
 
Jun 18, 2005
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Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, the chairman of Mir-Hossein Mousavi's Committee for the Safeguarding of Votes

The head of his Committee for the Safeguarding of Votes, Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, announced the proposal at a press conference on Tuesday, ILNA reported.

Mohtashamipour - along with the representatives of the other two opposition candidates - had earlier had a long meeting with the election supervisory body, the Guardian Council, where they had explained their criticism of the conduct of the election process.

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This is the man Mousavi put in charge to follow up on the election fraud on behalf of his campaign. The same man who founded Hezbollah. The same group who had his members killing protesters on the streets of Tehran.

Seriously guys. Does this even need discussing?
 

IranZamin

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I am not interesting in debating among Mousavi, Rafsanjani, and Khamenei who is worse because they are all criminals in my opinion.

Hala man biam inja begam Khamenei is a douchebag or Rafsanjani is a ghatel. I guess we all agree on that. But when I say the same about Mousavi then I hit a few nerves. As if he was somehow leading from a cubicle with no knowledge of atrocities that the regime, his ministers, or his emam were committing.

To this day I may add!
Do you take into account that people can change? that their outlooks can evolve?....You change your own views every 6 months, but aren't willing to accept that maybe Mousavi is not the same man he was 25 years ago!

If this guy was as implicit and involved as you've been led to believe, he wouldn't have been thrown out of the establishment and spent the last 2 decades painting.

Almost all reformists are former hardcore revolutionaries whose ideology evolved over the years to the point where they embraced democracy. And I mean all of them, from Mousavi to Karoubi and even Sazegara and Ibrahim Nabavi who used to be an interrogator. If we are going to bring down this fascist cancer, we're going to need the help of most of society, including them. No one here is under the illusion that Mousavi is another Mossadegh or Gandhi. But we realize he's a useful figure in the struggle, as does IR. Hence the obsession of the resident hezbol with assassinating his character.

Now this is about as simple as I can make it. You either get it or you don't.
 

mowj

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I was hoping this thread remains as a reference to statements of one of Green's important contributor but sadly statements are lost among...
So, this article in some way may help us refocus..



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بد جوری بریده ایم. داستان تونس اشک مان را درآورد. داستان مصر جیغ مان را به آسمان رساند. مثل بچه های لوس عزا گرفتیم. با حسرت رفتن بن علی را نگاه کردیم و رویای رفتن سید علی را آه کشیدیم. ظاهرا باید برای یک عزاداری مفصل دررفتن دیکتاتور مصر آماده باشیم. و وای به روزی که تحلیل برژینسکی درست در بیاید و بساط حکومت های ایدئولوژیک از خاورمیانه جمع شود. لابد عزای ملی اعلام می کنیم و گل به سر می گیریم...

انگار نه انگارهمین "ما" بودیم. بر پا کننده اولین انقلاب آزادی قرن بیستم. سلاح مان تلگراف. اما مشروطیت را با استبداد مذهبی سر بریدند.

جنبش ملی را"ما" بر پا کردیم. سلاحمان رادیو و روزنامه. ناصر و ام کلثوم فریاد مصدق را تکرار کردند. اما شاه و شیخ دست بدست هم دادند و به کودتای ضد آزادی سلام گفتند.

"ما" بودیم برپا کنندگان آخرین انقلاب مردمی قرن بیستم. نبرد افزارمان نوار کاست و شب نامه. اما عکس " آقا" را درماه دیدند و به حساب ما ریختند. شاگردان قاتل مشروطیت انقلاب بهمن رادزدیدند.

همراه "سید مظلوم" و از اعماق تاریکی ناگهان سر کشیدیم. برگشتیم به گفتمان آزادی که صد سال پیش زیر پای "ولایت فقیه" - گفتمان طالبان شیعه ـ له شده بود، براولین امواج جهان مجازی سوار بودیم و "جامعه" می خواندیم.

موج آزادی را تا قرن بیست و یکم آوردیم و شدیم نخستین جوانه سبز جهان. بر موج های نور آمدیم. شبکه های اجتماعی اسب رزم مان بود. کلیک زدیم و" فیس" خود را به جهان نشان دادیم.

یادمان لابدهست: "ما" بیشمار بودیم. "ما" همه باهم بودیم. "ما" ندا بودیم. "ما" سهراب بودیم. این فریاد که ازتونس برخاست، موجی از توفان "ما" بود که از راه آهن تا تجریش، دست به دست هم دادیم. راهپیمائی قاهره ادامه گام های ما در 23 و 24 و 25 خرداد است. همین روزهاست که پل کالج تهران به میدان*** تحریر قاهره وصل شود.

درجهان پخش شدیم. صدای خود را به دهان های معترض بخشیدیم و خود دریغا به حسرت نشستیم. انگار نه انگار که بر اساس آمار ستاد انتخابات کودتا 13 میلیون رای داشتیم و به اعتراف شهردار تهران دریک ***روز سه میلیون نفرمان به خیابان آمدیم.

دست روی دوست گذاشتم. زانوی غم بغل گرفتیم:

- چرا تونس تونس، ما نتونس؟

سئوال، سئوال است حتی اگر از اندوه برخیزد؛ حتی اگر جوابش را تاریخ هزار بار داده باشد.

گلی به جمال اکبرگنجی که جواب خودش را داد. روی سیستم سلطانی دست گذاشت. بیرحم ترین استبداد تاریخ ایران را درجامه اعداد و مثال ها ریخت. می دانستیم و بیشتر دانستیم "انقلاب اسلامی" چه بلائی بر سر هویت ایرانی آورده و بخشی ازمردم را برای کشتن بخش دیگر بسیج کرده است.

روشن بود؛ روشنتر شد که دیکتاتور حاکم قصد عقب نشینی ندارد. مثال آخرین شاه ایران درحافظه اش نقش بسته است: اولین گام به عقب، راه دره "اسقاط" را خواهد گشود.

معلوم بود و بیشترمعلوم شد: سیدعلی مثل بیشتر جباران حق را نمی دهد. بر اوراق خونین بیهوده ننوشته اند:

- حق گرفتنی است...

اکنون، در برابر ما نظام مستبد و بیرحم اسلامی ایستاده است و به هزار زیان ثابت می کند مهمترین سد "آزادی" ایران در صد سال گذشته مذهب بوده است به روایت طالبان شیعه. انقلاب مشروطیت شیخ فضل اله نوری را بر دار کرد و خود قربانی اندیشه استبدادی او شد. نوادگان شیخ فضل اله که سیدعلی خامنه ای به راستی وفادارترین و پیگیرترین آنهاست، همه ثروت میهن را به خدمت گرفتند تا استبداد مذهبی را نهادینه کنند. پول دارند. رحم ندارند. بخشی ازجامعه را در پی می کشند با پول یا فریب. شک نیست که قدرت را تا لحظه آخر وا نمی گذارند.

دیگر سالهاست که استبداد شاهی به استبداد مذهبی تبدیل شده است. شاه بیمار، خیالاتی و ترسیده از خونریزی - که شرح دقیقش را کتاب تازه عباس میلانی در باره شاه*** می دهد- جای خود را به فقیه سرحال، محاسبه گر و خونریز داده است.

اینها دانش امروزی ماست. بخشی از آگاهی "ما". جوابی به پرسش:

- چرا تونس تونس، ایران نتونس؟

آگاهی "ما" که آگاهیم. دردشمن می نگریم و ازخود غافلیم. "ما" که بیشمار بودیم. کجائیم و چه می کنیم. ندا و سهراب که برخاک افتادند، چه شدیم؟ چه کردیم؟ آن هم در حالیکه "نظام" با همه سرکوبش هنوز گرفتار کابوس ماست. از ترس بهمن سبز خواب ندارد. به صدزبان اعتراف می کند به آتش زیر خاکستر.

و "ما"، دریغا ما! گوش به صداهائی دادیم که شتابان به کشتن آتش برخاستند. مرگ جنبش سبز را فریاد زدند:تمام شد. ***واکنون جنبش سبز را به گور سپرده و حلوایش را خورده اند.

"نظام" لحظه ای از "سران فتنه" غافل نیست. آشکارا تهدیدشان می کندو راه و دار را نشانشان می دهد. و"ما"، ساکتیم و می شنویم. هر روز موسوی رابر دار می کنند و به محاکمه تاریخ می خوانند، گریبان خاتمی می درند، زهرا رهنورد رابه سخره می گیرند، مهدی کروبی را بر جرثقیل دیروز می آویزند. هاشمی را به توبه می خوانند.

در لندن و پاریس و واشنگتن و کجا وکجای جهان نشسته ایم و برای مردمان زیر تیغ حکم صادر می کنیم.

"نظام" علیه ما، بر ضدآزادی متحد است. گرگها گوشت هم را می خورند و استخوان هم را دور نمی اندازند. و"ما"، دریغا ما! هزارپاره ایم. گوشت یکدیگر را به نفرت می خوریم و استخوان هم را به کینه می سوزانیم.

ایران مخوف را مجسم کنیم. "سران فتنه" را در زندان و یا کشته درمیدان ببینیم؛ خامنه ای را رفته و نظام را به تاریخ پیوسته. اتحاد برق آسای گروه های سیاسی تونس ومصر برای "ما" ممکن است؟ مرد میانه ای چون البرادعی داریم و اگر داریم گردش حلقه می زنیم؟ مذهبیون ما چون الغنوشی درتونس و رهبری اخوان المسلمین در مصر عمل خواهند کرد؟ چپ های ما به راه حزب کمونیست تونس خواهند رفت؟

از دل این پرسش هاست که کلیدی ترین پاسخ این سئوال بر می آید:

ـ- چرا تونس تونس، ایران نتونس؟

و ایران نخواهد "تونس"، تا هر کس "سید علی" خونریزی درخود دارد که بسرعت تاریخ "ما" را از یاد می بردو تسلیم فریادهای یاس می شود. و تا همه ما" سیدعلی" هستیم، دیروز بر امروز حکم می راند.

میهن بر باد می رود و ما به بحث 28 مرداد مشغولیم. استبداد هر روز نهادینه تر می شود وما دنبال مقصران برپائی انقلاب اسلامی می گردیم.

"تونس، تونس" و مصر خواهد توانست و دیگر کشورها بر حکومت های ایدئولوژیک غلبه خواهند کرد، و "ما" که بیشمار بودیم و بهمن سبز را از قله بلند آزادی رها کردیم، تا "سیدعلی" درون خود را زیر پا له نکنیم و برای منافع ایران زیر پرچم حداقل ها گرد نیائیم، نخواهیم توانست.

"سیدعلی" پول دارد.زور دارد. جباران دیگر هم داشتند.حسنی مبارک هم دارد. ببینید البرادعی چه تصویری از قدرت حسنی مبارک می دهد. تفاوت اساسی در سیستم سرکوب و قدرت آن نیست. تفاوت "سیدعلی" با دیگر مستبدان این است که " ما " را دارد. خیلی تلخ است، ولی او ما را داردو مرا، تورا، اورا، ما را... همین ما که به جان دشمن استبداد و به دل، عاشق آزادی هستیم. ما که تا دیروز فریاد مرگ بر دیکتاتور می زدیم وامروز خاکستر یاس رابرمیهن می پاشیم.

و ما تا "سیدعلی" هستیم، خواسته و نخواسته در شمار سربازان اوئیم. هرزمزمه نا امیدی به سرودی در بارگاه "سید علی" مبدل می شود؛هر کلام برای جدائی شمشیری در دست او؛ هر اقدام و به هر بهانه برای تفرقه در مسیر خواست او.

زیر هر پرچم باشیم، گلوی خود را به نام آزادی بدریم، درعمل، در صحنه واقعیت سیاسی، اگر کنار هم نایستیم، انگار فریاد زده ایم: - ما همه سرباز توایم خامنه ای...