Obama Is Helping Iran

Niloufar

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Agree with most part of it..but its extremely undermining IR's unpopularity within Iran.

U.S Administration's(including Obama) foreign policy blunders over the years, including recent unrest in the region, is horrendous. They have absolutely no clue in changing the outcome of a movement-revolution to their own interests. In all of their major decisions(ie,war strikes in Afghanistan-Iraq, Iran Green movement and recent middle east unrest), they've not only lost ground even more, but handed the power and influence to Iran and its allies instead.

They are either so clueless, or they actually prefer IR's empowerment in the whole region!
 

feyenoord

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Agree with most part of it..but its extremely undermining IR's unpopularity within Iran.

U.S Administration's(including Obama) foreign policy blunders over the years, including recent unrest in the region, is horrendous. They have absolutely no clue in changing the outcome of a movement-revolution to their own interests. In all of their major decisions(ie,war strikes in Afghanistan-Iraq, Iran Green movement and recent middle east unrest), they've not only lost ground even more, but handed the power and influence to Iran and its allies instead.

They are either so clueless, or they actually prefer IR's empowerment in the whole region!
So, do you agree that Moussavi and Karoubi were no able to back up their assertion about electoral fraud, and that is why they have become less popular in Iran?

Plus, what do you mean by "its extremely undermining IR's unpopularity within Iran"???? If anything, the article says directly that IR has the majority support.


I personally think this article is rubbish. One of the dumbest analysis on Iran. You can disagree with these people on almost every point they are making.
 
#5
No doubt these protests in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia in the last month have helped Iran's relationship with United States. Iran will show the world that there are worse places in the Middle East. David Cameron said that the UK should be alerted with Iran's nuclear "threat" but Obama is giving Iran chances. He knows that Iran pose no threat to any country and the nuclear power is safe and are not used for dangerous circumstances. He's not stupid. I do see that he has made good developments to the foreign policy since the fall of the Bush Administration in 2008.
 

beystr 2.0

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a whole lot of talk about nothin'...If this is how U.S. Gov. analyze things in Iran..then they could not be more clueless...

1st..If the imlication is that helping Iran is wrong...then they got the wrong strategy..if a Baboon like Norrizadeh or a untrustworthy guy like Sazegara are the mouth of the opposition in U.S...then we are in big trouble..

somebody..somehow gota drive the point into U.S. mentality ..that..a month past 88 elections, the mass population greivence was not the "election fraud"..can somebody over there undrestand this?...so what is the greivence.?...its ..being ruled by an embesole bunch..a miserable economics strategy...a president that see himself above getting expert advice on different isuues..and more ..

A sanction policy.( however selective and smart)..is a dumb way of changing things for better...U.S. has hurt its standing among people by dumb and blind minded policies such as not letting Iran buy new airplanes...banking restrictions...the Nuclear row....by this whole propoganda..that IRI is behind terrorists in other countries...as if U.S. has always behind saints and good people...the other thing is...this is our territory..so ..how arrogant could one sound by making statements as if they are the trusted source and know shit better than the natives..this article is just another testimony that they don't get it..
 
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I have no doubt US is doing things regarding Iran but not in a wisable way. Then what ever they do is not extended in a way when you can conclude US is trying to change IRI at least not for now. It maybe at a level to force IRI to forget about their nuclear ambitions. Maybe they are waiting for further developements. I don't think Obama likes or trust Mosavi&Karubi. Sazgara&Norizadeh are saying things American politicians like Obama want them to say. They get money from VOA. They are not advicing Obama.
 

Mahdi

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From literally the day after Iran's 2009 presidential election, we pointed out that the Green Movement could not succeed in bringing down the Islamic Republic, for two basic reasons: The movement did not represent anything close to a majority of Iranian society, and a majority of Iranians still support the idea of an Islamic Republic.
I stopped reading after that...
 

feyenoord

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Aug 23, 2005
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I dont get it. Is it me or you guys reading a different article???

This article is written by Levretts, who are actually IR apologists and have taken the side of AN since the 88 elections.
If anything, they are saying that Obama should start diplomacy with IR. They are saying also that IR has the majority support; that Khatami's silence is due to Moussavi and Karroubi not being able to prove that there was fraud in the elections last year; and that iranians are not happy with Mousavi and Karoubi recent stance since it is undermining the national interest of their country, etc.

Most of these assertions are nothing but rubbish, lacking any evidence to back them up.


P.S. This reply was meant to be for beystr 2.0. Seems you did read a different article.
 

feyenoord

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Btw,

These people are really dumb for pushing diplomacy with Iran at this time, which exactly suggests how clueless they are.

Firstly, it is impossible for AN to start a gate for better relations with the US. Because he would look like a major hypocrite among other clerics, sepahis and some people who still support him. This is specially more case, since the elections and since they were trying to show that Mousavi and Karoubi are "awamele wabaste".

Secondly, after so much torture and executions since the election, it would look very bad for Obama and the US to try to shake IR's hand.
 

Flint

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There are people who no matter what happens say it strengthens the Islamic Republic. If Saddam stays it helps IR, if he falls, it helps IR. If Israel attacks IR, it helps IR, if doesn't it helps IR. If US gets tough it helps IR, if it doesn't , it helps IR and on and on and on. The other dead give away is when they say US just blew her chances to make peace with IR. IR is always the good guy. Others are just being mean to them. And what is this "administration's latest initiative to stir up unrest in Iran ". When did that happen? BTW, the title of the thread has nothing to do with the article
 

ME

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I stopped reading after that...
LEVERETT's are known to be against the anti-IRI movement from the day 1. They do it so biased I have no doubt they are working for someone.
My assessment is actually that after all these regime changes in the ME, US will rush to topple IRI before it is too late fearing if IRI has the chance they will ultimately take advantage to fill the vaccum similar to what they did in Iraq and Afganistan.
The clock is ticking. This is a race now, either US or Iran.
 

The_Referee

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LEVERETT's are known to be against the anti-IRI movement from the day 1. They do it so biased I have no doubt they are working for someone.
My assessment is actually that after all these regime changes in the ME, US will rush to topple IRI before it is too late fearing if IRI has the chance they will ultimately take advantage to fill the vaccum similar to what they did in Iraq and Afganistan.
The clock is ticking. This is a race now, either US or Iran.
Scholarships and funds from Bonyad Alavi, perhaps?

Alavi Fundations, used to be known as Pahlavi Fundations, established to fund Iranian cultural related academic activities. Now it is a major source for IRI apologists among academia. I wonder if these guys are also gettign funds from there. Their research is related to Iran!
 

The_Referee

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This is what I am talking about. The data in this article lacks the recent payments.
It is interesting that University of Columbia was on the top list and the one who gave podium to AN:


http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.p...undation&catid=29:exclusive-reports&Itemid=42



Iran Focus

Washington, DC, 07. May – The New York-based Alavi Foundation, accused by federal prosecutors of acting as a front to provide money and services to Iran, donated $3.1 million to U.S. universities and other schools in North America from 2000 to 2008, an investigation by Iran Focus has found.

Iran Focus is publishing a list of the schools that received funds from the foundation, which is suspected of attempting to buy academic support for Iran, although its stated aim was to encourage Persian studies and Islamic educational programs, particularly Shiite ones.

In November, U.S. authorities moved to seize properties owned by the foundation, including a 36-story building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan and four mosques, effectively shutting down its operations.

The foundation was set up in the 1970s by the late shah of Iran as the Pahlavi Foundation. It was taken over by the Islamic Republic of Iran after the shah was overthrown in 1979. The U.S. government claims it funnelled money to Iran's Bank Melli which is accused of supporting the country’s nuclear and ballistic missiles program. The foundation's president, Farshid Jahedi, 55, was arrested in late 2008 on charges of obstruction of justice after he threw away documents sought by a grand jury. He was sentenced Friday to three months in prison after pleading guilty to two counts.

The Iran Focus investigation has determined that the activities of the foundation were in fact directed by Iran’s then-ambassador to the United Nations, Javad Zarif.

According to documents filed with the Internal Revenue Service, the Alavi Foundation has provided substantial funds to numerous educational institutions, including Columbia University and Harvard.

Some experts believe that such largesse was designed to entice scholars to write articles or policy recommendations advocating against a tough U.S. policy on Iran and proposing conciliation and engagement.

The following is a list of schools that received funding from the foundation between 2000 and 2008. Amounts are in U.S. dollars.

2008:
Columbia University: 50,000
Harvard Seminary: 17,500
Harvard University: 41,000
Kutztown University: 4,000
McGill University: 40,000
Portland State University Foundation: 16,750
Sacred Heart University: 5,000
San Diego State University: 40,000
University of Alberta: 5,000
University of Michigan: 16,000

2007:
Carleton University: 10,000
Catholic University of America: 45,000
Columbia University: 100,000
Harvard Law School: 17,000
Harvard University: 41,000
Hunter College: 6,000
Kutztown University: 5,000
Lake Forest College: 20,000
McGill University: 80,000
Portland State University Foundation: 32,500
Rutgers University: 72,500
Sacred Heart University: 39,000
San Diego State University: 48,000
The City College of New York: 1,000
University of California, Berkeley: 30,000
University of California, Los Angeles: 10,000
University of Maryland: 50,000

2006:
Binghamton University: 7,500
Catholic University of America: 60,000
City of Knowledge (Islamic schools): 50,000
City University of New York: 1,000
Columbia University: 20,000
Harvard University: 36,000
Hunter College: 6,000
Kutztown University: 3,000
New York University: 350
Portland State University: 20,000
Rutgers University: 40,500
Sacred Heart University: 60,000
The Ohio State University: 3,000
University of Michigan: 16,000
University of Pennsylvania: 5,000
University of Southern California: 3,000

2005:
Binghamton University: 5,000
California State University Los Angeles: 2,000
Catholic University of America: 75,000
City of Knowledge: 30,000
Harvard University: 36,000
Hunter College: 6,000
McGill University: 30,000
Portland State University Foundation: 47,500
Rutgers Foundation: 75,000
Rutgers University: 163,600
Sacred Heart University: 10,000
University of Pennsylvania: 40,000
University of Southern California: 10,000

2004:
Catholic University of America: 75,000
City of Knowledge: 20,000
Columbia University: 50,000
Georgia State University: 13,000
Harvard University: 41,000
Hunter College: 14,000
Portland State University: 18,000
Rutgers University: 137,500
Sacred Heart University: 3,000
San Diego State University: 3,000
University of Alberta: 5,000
University of California, Berkeley: 30,000
University of California, Los Angeles: 10,000

2003:
Bard College: 3,000
California State University, Fullerton: 3,000
Catholic University of America: 45,000
City of Knowledge: 48,750
Georgia State University: 16,000
Harvard University: 30,000
Hunter College: 2,500
Rutgers University: 81,000
The University of Arizona: 22,000
University of Akron: 3,000
University of California, Berkeley: 13,000
University of Pennsylvania: 25,000
University of Utah: 5,000
University of Virginia: 25,000
University of Wisconsin: 6,000

2002:
Brigham Young University: 3,000
Catholic University of America: 75,000
City of Knowledge: 29,250
Drew University: 3,000
Harvard University: 54,000
Hunter College: 5,000
McGill University: 12,000
Rutgers University: 75,000
University of Arizona: 15,000
University of Michigan: 32,000
University of Utah: 3,000
University of Virginia: 6,000
University of Wisconsin, Madison: 19,500

2001:
Binghamton University: 3,000
City of Knowledge: 20,000
Harvard University: 23,500
Hunter College: 5,000
Rutgers University: 30,000
The University of Arizona: 35,000
University of Texas: 10,000
University of Utah: 5,000
University of Virginia: 15,000
McGill University: 24,000
University of Alberta: 5,000

2000:
Columbia University: 32,000
Harvard University: 23,500
Ohio State University: 20,000
University of Arizona: 51,800
University of Utah: 3,000
University of Virginia: 21,000

Payments made over these nine years totaled: $3,110,000 according to documents filed with the IRS.
 
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IranZamin

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LEVERETT's are known to be against the anti-IRI movement from the day 1. They do it so biased I have no doubt they are working for someone.
That's it in a nutshell. These shills have been discussed here a few times before. Having read their previous goh-khoris, I didn't even bother to read this one. The misinformation and the shameless distortions in their works go beyond anything that could be explained as ignorance or naivete; it's blatant propaganda.

These are the same assholes who referred to the Sandis Festival held by the regime last year as "the biggest public gathering since the revolution"! Apparently they were at the bank cashing their paychecks and missed the news when there were 3 million in Azadi just a few months before that.

These clowns aren't "analysts" by any standards; they are full-fledged lobbyists. It's just a shame that we haven't been able to do more to expose and discredit them.
 

The_Referee

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Apologies in advance - However, I could not help to see similarities of your post to that of ashtar - :)

There are people who no matter what happens say it strengthens the Islamic Republic. If Saddam stays it helps IR, if he falls, it helps IR. If Israel attacks IR, it helps IR, if doesn't it helps IR. If US gets tough it helps IR, if it doesn't , it helps IR and on and on and on. The other dead give away is when they say US just blew her chances to make peace with IR. IR is always the good guy. Others are just being mean to them. And what is this "administration's latest initiative to stir up unrest in Iran ". When did that happen? BTW, the title of the thread has nothing to do with the article
If they distribute the oil money among people the opposition says their bribing the poor or causing "geda parvari". If they don't give the money to the people they say where's people's money from oil? If they spend the oil income on domestic business and industry they accuse the government of spending the money on their own friends or argue what's the point of building this or that when US is so much more advanced and China can build it so much cheaper. If they pay the Chinese to build it they say they're kissing the ass of Chinese to stay in power. If they pay Europeans to do it they say they're giving country's wealth away to stay in power. If they don't spend the money and put it in a reserve fund they say why aren't they spending money on infrastructure and demand to know where is people's share of oil money. If they spend it on subsidies they say they're wasting the money. If they take away the subsi
dies they say it's going to hurt poor people.

Can some one please explain in detail how this cursed oil money supposed to be spent?
 

Flint

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Apologies in advance - However, I could not help to see similarities of your post to that of ashtar - :)
If you ignore the context, many statements sound similar. Saying everything helps IR is a familiar tactic of IR advocates. Often the opposite is true. How long have they said not to put pressure on the power structure because it is going to hurt the moderates. Don't support the people in the street because it gives an excuse to Ahmadinejad to crack down. Don't talk tough, don't sanction, don't embargo. etc. etc. The moderates are always moments away from taking power. This carrot has been dangled for 30+years.
 

parham79

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Amir ahmadi and Trita Parsi are behind this. Theyare on the bonyad alavi foundation and act as the go between for this evil foundation whithin the US politician scenes.Mr Daei tried to expose these charlattans a couple of years back but was taken to court for it.
 

Flint

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It is amazing that this fraud has been allowed to stay open for this long. Can anyone cite sources for these donations? The article didn't say where they got the information from .
 

The_Referee

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It is amazing that this fraud has been allowed to stay open for this long. Can anyone cite sources for these donations? The article didn't say where they got the information from .
Says at the end of the article:

Payments made over these nine years totaled: $3,110,000 according to documents filed with the IRS.
Aparently, there is no law against these sorts of donations and fund tunelling in US legal system. However, it helps if people are informed so when they read an article by such and such they know where the interests of the author are!