What I don't get is that all I hear from the dems is that Obama hasn't been in office enough to be judged on...yet suddenly there's enough proof for him to have won the Nobel Peace Prize award.
Let's be serious, it's not really a huge deal (this disagreement, that is). But it just goes to show you how manipulative these powerful groups are when they give prestigious (LOL) awards to these kinds of politicians and the poor man on the street actually believes them. That's what gets my gripe, I couldn't care less about anything else.
Let's be serious, it's not really a huge deal (this disagreement, that is). But it just goes to show you how manipulative these powerful groups are when they give prestigious (LOL) awards to these kinds of politicians and the poor man on the street actually believes them. That's what gets my gripe, I couldn't care less about anything else.
Yes, you say this and it makes sense, than the other side can bring up Shirin Ebadi and argue otherwise. I really don't think this is that big of a deal. Tutu won the prize for being the first Black Archibishop, why can't the first black president of a major world power win it to say the least. Putting aside the bare minimum of all arguments about his achievments and promises. You have to be in the U.S to know the politics of what kind of achievement that is. Don't forget it was just over 40 years ago where everything was segragated based on race. Black schools, churches, cafe's. This is a milestone of its own opening the gates for many other opportunities. Just imagine England having a black Prime Minister, or Spain, Germany, France, Italy, etc...
Mehran jan, you make a good point and I am not saying all the Peace prize winners were fake and phonies. But, geez, there's quite a few of them and some of them that are so glaring that it's pretty amazing. You see some of those names and Osama Bin Laden wouldn't be so out of place. 
If anything, that makes the choice to award these kinds of winning candidates even more reprehensible - mixing the likes of Mandela and Kissinger. Essentially, using the good name of one to prop the other up.
Gaining the presidency aside, as a black man, he was supported with a lot...a lot of money and power. It was a feat to be the first black man, but when your predecessor was George W Bush you could be handicapped and you'd have a shot at winning. And regardless of that, the award was given for "international diplomacy" not simply him winning the US elections which is a domestic affair.
If anything, that makes the choice to award these kinds of winning candidates even more reprehensible - mixing the likes of Mandela and Kissinger. Essentially, using the good name of one to prop the other up.Gaining the presidency aside, as a black man, he was supported with a lot...a lot of money and power. It was a feat to be the first black man, but when your predecessor was George W Bush you could be handicapped and you'd have a shot at winning. And regardless of that, the award was given for "international diplomacy" not simply him winning the US elections which is a domestic affair.
The award, announced in Oslo by the Nobel Committee while much of official Washington — including the president — was still asleep, cited in particular the president’s efforts to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
“He has created a new international climate,” the committee said.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Obama_Medvedev_seek_huge_nuclear_weapons_cuts_999.html
Easing Travel and Sanctions on Cuba
Canceling the installation of US missile shields in Eastern Europe and better relations with Russia:
Reaching out to the Muslim world
Opposing the Israeli settlements in West Bank, a shift in US policy
“He has created a new international climate,” the committee said.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Obama_Medvedev_seek_huge_nuclear_weapons_cuts_999.html
Easing Travel and Sanctions on Cuba
Canceling the installation of US missile shields in Eastern Europe and better relations with Russia:
Reaching out to the Muslim world
Opposing the Israeli settlements in West Bank, a shift in US policy
I am not defending his Nobel Prize winning, but in a short period he has been at the white house, he has accomplished the following:
Decision to cancel the Eastern European Sheild
Decision to leave Iraq
Decision to close down Guantanamo Bay
Calling for a new beginning with the Muslim world
Changing the foreign policy of the US from Unilateralism, to engagement
Last but least not abandoning the doctrine of "You're either with us or against us".
Decision to cancel the Eastern European Sheild
Decision to leave Iraq
Decision to close down Guantanamo Bay
Calling for a new beginning with the Muslim world
Changing the foreign policy of the US from Unilateralism, to engagement
Last but least not abandoning the doctrine of "You're either with us or against us"
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I am not defending his Nobel Prize winning, but in a short period he has been at the white house, he has accomplished the following:
Decision to cancel the Eastern European Sheild
Decision to leave Iraq
Decision to close down Guantanamo Bay
Calling for a new beginning with the Muslim world
Last but not abandoning the doctrine of "You're either with us or against us".
Decision to cancel the Eastern European Sheild
Decision to leave Iraq
Decision to close down Guantanamo Bay
Calling for a new beginning with the Muslim world
Last but not abandoning the doctrine of "You're either with us or against us"
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He doesn't know yet what is going to happen with the Guantanamo detainees and has refused to prosecute Bush and co.
And unless he gets out of Isreal's ass - which he won't - he can't repair the muslim relations.
Also, he's called for, IIRC, extensions of the Patriot Act.
...I mean, for every one of those points, there is a retort. But simply put, he's not done anything but promised to do some things.
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Not done yet
Not done yet.
Not done yet.
All of them remain promises at the moment.
IP jan, if now "anything above Bush's policy" is the standard for who can get the nobel prize, I think I could be a serious contender!
Not done yet.
Not done yet.
All of them remain promises at the moment.
Changing the foreign policy of the US from Unilateralism, to engagement
Last but least not abandoning the doctrine of "You're either with us or against us".
Last but least not abandoning the doctrine of "You're either with us or against us"
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deerouz JAn, he had to start from somewhere, true these steps are not completed yet but how long has he being in office exaclty. The better question is has he seriously pursued such promises and goals? I think the answer is a resouding yes. These steps take time and effort. He is on the right track in accomplishing those steps.
btw: Glenn Beck has opined; "Nobel Prize committee awards its 1st 'participation' trophy".
btw: Glenn Beck has opined; "Nobel Prize committee awards its 1st 'participation' trophy"
.LOL, you're just at the other side of the spectrum when it comes to Beck and co.
Are you seriously going to deny that Obama is in bed with Isreal? Did you actually watch the AIPAC speech? The world's already had 8 years with half of America acting as apologists for one President, please spare us another 8 years with the other half of America doing so.
How about plain old critique when necessary and praise when deserved? This partisan support is just dumb, frankly.
Are you seriously going to deny that Obama is in bed with Isreal? Did you actually watch the AIPAC speech? The world's already had 8 years with half of America acting as apologists for one President, please spare us another 8 years with the other half of America doing so.
How about plain old critique when necessary and praise when deserved? This partisan support is just dumb, frankly.
The least you could have done was to read the posts before commenting so quickly.
The right alleges that Obama is Israel's enemy and will doom them, Kazem claims that Barack is in bed with the Zionist state!
Maybe you were sleeping when Obama firmly told Bibi to stop and dismantle the settlements in West Bank? Even though Israel was and perhaps still is firmly against such a move.
The right alleges that Obama is Israel's enemy and will doom them, Kazem claims that Barack is in bed with the Zionist state!
Maybe you were sleeping when Obama firmly told Bibi to stop and dismantle the settlements in West Bank? Even though Israel was and perhaps still is firmly against such a move.