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Wednesday 2 November 2011

by: Robert Scheer, Truthdig | Op-Ed


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Robert Rubin. (Photo: Center for American Progress / Flickr)



Can we all agree that a $1 billion swindle represents a lot of money, and the fact that Citigroup agreed last week to pay a $285 million fine to settle SEC charges for “misleading investors” demonstrates a damning admission of culpability?

So why has Robert Rubin, the onetime treasury secretary who went on to become Citigroup chairman during the time of the corporation’s financial shenanigans, never been held accountable for this and other deep damage done to the U.S. economy on his watch?

Rubin’s tenure atop the world of high finance began when he was co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, before he became Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and pushed through the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act, an action that legalized the formation of Citigroup and other “too big to fail” banking conglomerates.

Rubin’s destructive impact on the economy in enabling these giant corporate banks to run amok was far greater than that of swindler Bernard Madoff, who sits in prison under a 150-year sentence while Rubin sits on the Harvard Board of Overseers, as chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and as a leader of the Brookings Institution’s Hamilton Project.

Rubin was rewarded for his efforts on behalf of Citigroup with a top job as chairman of the bank’s executive committee and at least $126 million in compensation. That was “compensation” for steering the bank to the point of a bankruptcy avoided only by a $45 billion taxpayer bailout and a further guarantee of $300 billion of the bank’s toxic assets.

Those toxic assets and other collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps were exempted from government regulation by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which Rubin helped design while he was treasury secretary and which was turned into law when Rubin protégé Lawrence Summers took over that Cabinet post.

In arguing that the derivatives market in housing mortgages and other debt obligations required no government oversight, Summers told Congress, “First, the parties to these kinds of contracts are largely sophisticated financial institutions that would appear to be eminently capable of protecting themselves from fraud and counterparty insolvencies. ... Second, given the nature of the underlying assets—namely supplies of financial exchange and other financial instruments—there would seem to be little scope for market manipulation. ...”

Oops. One wonders if Summers, who went on to be president of Harvard after playing such a disastrous role in the federal government, ever asked his mentor Rubin what went wrong. After all, it was Rubin who was a honcho at the “sophisticated financial institution” of Citigroup when, as the Securities and Exchange Commission filing against the bank explains, Citigroup structured and marketed a $1 billion toxic asset to investors without disclosing that it was simultaneously betting against that asset.

Back in January of 2008, knowing full well of the chicanery of his own bank and others with which he was quite familiar, Rubin nonetheless told an audience at Cooper Union in New York that the turmoil in the markets was “all part of a cycle of periodic excess leading to periodic disruption.” CNNMoney, reporting on his talk, noted that Rubin “doesn’t seem particularly alarmed. ... And the economic problems that he did acknowledge were blamed on just about everyone but the major financial players.”

Rubin, who became a key adviser to the Obama campaign, has long cultivated an image as a do-gooder by making philanthropic contributions that deflect attention from the consequences of his own grievous actions. He has played a major role in shaping Obama administration economic policy not only through former aides like Summers and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner but through the Hamilton Project, which he has funded at the Brookings Institution. The Hamilton Project has had much influence over the Democratic Party, and President Barack Obama as a young senator was the project’s first public speaker.

But facts these days tend to intrude in ways inconvenient to the superrich, who assume they can control the narrative. This month the Hamilton Project released a depressing assessment of the results of the era of radical market deregulation that Rubin’s policies launched, particularly as it had a horrendous effect on children.

Referring to the “Great Recession,” dismissed by Rubin at its inception as a mere blip in the business cycle, the report noted that the family income of the median child in the U.S. has fallen nearly 14 percent in the past five years and is now 7 percent lower than in 1975, concluding that while the income of the top 10 percent of families with children has increased 45 percent in the last 35 years, “half of America’s children are worse-off than their counterparts 35 years ago.”

That’s a telling obituary for the illusion, fostered by Robert Rubin as effectively as anyone, that the 22 percent of children in the United States who suffer below the poverty line and the offspring of multimillionaires like Rubin are living in the same America.

http://truthout.com/too-big-jail/1320414516
 

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Wednesday 2 November 2011

by: Robert Scheer, Truthdig | Op-Ed


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Robert Rubin. (Photo: Center for American Progress / Flickr)



Can we all agree that a $1 billion swindle represents a lot of money, and the fact that Citigroup agreed last week to pay a $285 million fine to settle SEC charges for “misleading investors” demonstrates a damning admission of culpability?

So why has Robert Rubin, the onetime treasury secretary who went on to become Citigroup chairman during the time of the corporation’s financial shenanigans, never been held accountable for this and other deep damage done to the U.S. economy on his watch?

Rubin’s tenure atop the world of high finance began when he was co-chairman of Goldman Sachs, before he became Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and pushed through the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act, an action that legalized the formation of Citigroup and other “too big to fail” banking conglomerates.

Rubin’s destructive impact on the economy in enabling these giant corporate banks to run amok was far greater than that of swindler Bernard Madoff, who sits in prison under a 150-year sentence while Rubin sits on the Harvard Board of Overseers, as chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and as a leader of the Brookings Institution’s Hamilton Project.

Rubin was rewarded for his efforts on behalf of Citigroup with a top job as chairman of the bank’s executive committee and at least $126 million in compensation. That was “compensation” for steering the bank to the point of a bankruptcy avoided only by a $45 billion taxpayer bailout and a further guarantee of $300 billion of the bank’s toxic assets.

Those toxic assets and other collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps were exempted from government regulation by the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which Rubin helped design while he was treasury secretary and which was turned into law when Rubin protégé Lawrence Summers took over that Cabinet post.

In arguing that the derivatives market in housing mortgages and other debt obligations required no government oversight, Summers told Congress, “First, the parties to these kinds of contracts are largely sophisticated financial institutions that would appear to be eminently capable of protecting themselves from fraud and counterparty insolvencies. ... Second, given the nature of the underlying assets—namely supplies of financial exchange and other financial instruments—there would seem to be little scope for market manipulation. ...”

Oops. One wonders if Summers, who went on to be president of Harvard after playing such a disastrous role in the federal government, ever asked his mentor Rubin what went wrong. After all, it was Rubin who was a honcho at the “sophisticated financial institution” of Citigroup when, as the Securities and Exchange Commission filing against the bank explains, Citigroup structured and marketed a $1 billion toxic asset to investors without disclosing that it was simultaneously betting against that asset.

Back in January of 2008, knowing full well of the chicanery of his own bank and others with which he was quite familiar, Rubin nonetheless told an audience at Cooper Union in New York that the turmoil in the markets was “all part of a cycle of periodic excess leading to periodic disruption.” CNNMoney, reporting on his talk, noted that Rubin “doesn’t seem particularly alarmed. ... And the economic problems that he did acknowledge were blamed on just about everyone but the major financial players.”

Rubin, who became a key adviser to the Obama campaign, has long cultivated an image as a do-gooder by making philanthropic contributions that deflect attention from the consequences of his own grievous actions. He has played a major role in shaping Obama administration economic policy not only through former aides like Summers and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner but through the Hamilton Project, which he has funded at the Brookings Institution. The Hamilton Project has had much influence over the Democratic Party, and President Barack Obama as a young senator was the project’s first public speaker.

But facts these days tend to intrude in ways inconvenient to the superrich, who assume they can control the narrative. This month the Hamilton Project released a depressing assessment of the results of the era of radical market deregulation that Rubin’s policies launched, particularly as it had a horrendous effect on children.

Referring to the “Great Recession,” dismissed by Rubin at its inception as a mere blip in the business cycle, the report noted that the family income of the median child in the U.S. has fallen nearly 14 percent in the past five years and is now 7 percent lower than in 1975, concluding that while the income of the top 10 percent of families with children has increased 45 percent in the last 35 years, “half of America’s children are worse-off than their counterparts 35 years ago.”

That’s a telling obituary for the illusion, fostered by Robert Rubin as effectively as anyone, that the 22 percent of children in the United States who suffer below the poverty line and the offspring of multimillionaires like Rubin are living in the same America.

http://truthout.com/too-big-jail/1320414516
Excellent article- must for those who wrongly believe Bill Clinton did us wonders. Rubin and Clinton essentially accepted corporate bribery as the new theme of Democratic party back in the 90's. If there was any justice the likes of Rubin should get hanged by the balls right now.
 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/04/occupy-oakland-second-veteran-injured

Kayvan Sabehgi in intensive care with a lacerated spleen after protests in Oakland, a week after Scott Olsen was hurt. He says police beat him with batons

A second Iraq war veteran has suffered serious injuries after clashes between police and Occupy movement protesters in Oakland.

Kayvan Sabehgi, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is in intensive care with a lacerated spleen. He says he was beaten by police close to the Occupy Oakland camp, but despite suffering agonising pain, did not reach hospital until 18 hours later.

Sabehgi, 32, is the second Iraq war veteran to be hospitalised following involvement in Oakland protests. Another protester, Scott Olsen, suffered a fractured skull on 25 October.

On Wednesday night, police used teargas and non-lethal projectiles to drive back protesters following an attempt by the Occupy supporters to shut down the city of Oakland.

Sabehgi told the Guardian from hospital he was walking alone along 14th Street in central Oakland – away from the main area of clashes – when he was injured.

"There was a group of police in front of me," he told the Guardian from his hospital bed. "They told me to move, but I was like: 'Move to where?' There was nowhere to move.

"Then they lined up in front of me. I was talking to one of them, saying 'Why are you doing this?' when one moved forward and hit me in my arm and legs and back with his baton. Then three or four cops tackled me and arrested me."

Sabeghi, who left the army in 2007 and now part-owns a small bar-restaurant in El Cerrito, about 10 miles north of Oakland, said he was handcuffed and placed in a police van for three hours before being taken to jail. By the time he got there he was in "unbelievable pain".

He said: "My stomach was really hurting, and it got worse to the point where I couldn't stand up.

"I was on my hands and knees and crawled over the cell door to call for help."

A nurse was called and recommended Sabehgi take a suppository, but he said he "didn't want to take it".

He was allowed to "crawl" to another cell to use the toilet, but said it was clogged.

"I was vomiting and had diarrhoea," Sabehgi said. "I just lay there in pain for hours."

Sabehgi's bail was posted in the mid-afternoon, but he said he was unable to leave his cell because of the pain. The cell door was closed, and he remained on the floor until 6pm, when an ambulance was called.

He was taken to Highland hospital – the same hospital where Olsen was originally taken after being hit in the head by a projectile apparently fired by police.

Sabehgi was due to undergo surgery on Friday afternoon to repair his spleen, which would involve using a clot or patch to prevent internal bleeding.

Thousands of protesters had attended the action in Oakland on Wednesday, taking over the downtown area of the city and blockading Oakland's port.

As demonstrations continued near the camp base at Frank H Ogawa plaza during the evening, a group of protesters occupied a disused building on 16th Street at around 10.30pm, with some climbing up onto the roof.

There had been little police presence during the day, but more than 200 officers arrived after 11pm. Some protesters had set fire to a hastily assembled barrier at the corner of 16th Street and Telegraph, in a bid to prevent access to the occupied building, but police drove demonstrators away from 16th Street using tear gas, flashbang grenades, and non-lethal rounds.

Sabehgi said he had not been in the occupied building, and was walking away from the main area of trouble when he was injured.

He said he had his arms folded and was "totally peaceful" before being arrested.

A spokeswoman for Highland hospital confirmed Sabehgi had been admitted. Oakland police were not immediately available for comment.
 

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Former NJ Gov. Corzine steps down from collapsed securities firm, hires criminal attorney




WASHINGTON - He set out to create a mini-Goldman Sachs. In the end, he built a mini-Lehman Brothers.
Former New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine's resignation Friday from the securities firm he led capped a week of high drama and swift failure.
MF Global collapsed into bankruptcy Monday, and Corzine has since hired a criminal defence attorney amid an FBI investigation into the disappearance of hundreds of millions of dollars in client money.
In another twist, a top regulator ended his role in the investigation of MF Global because of longstanding ties to Corzine. Commodity Futures Trading Commission chairman Gary Gensler, whose agency is leading the effort to locate the missing client money, had worked for Corzine at Goldman Sachs.
MF Global's implosion, which came after Corzine made a big, risky bet on European debt, revived memories of the 2008 banking crisis and the ruin of the much bigger Lehman.
As Corzine, 64, stepped down as chairman and CEO, he said he felt "great sadness about what has transpired at MF Global." Corzine, who ran the investment firm Goldman Sachs years before joining MF Global, said his resignation was voluntary and called it "a difficult decision."
Regulators said more than $600 million in client money is still missing. They said MF Global apparently moved the money out of client accounts within days as the company's cash dried up.
The FBI is examining whether the firm's actions amounted to a crime, two people familiar with the situation told The Associated Press this week. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. The New York Post reported that U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in New York City is also investigating.
Corzine's resignation doesn't untangle him from MF Global's affairs. The trustee overseeing the liquidation of its brokerage gained permission Friday to subpoena top executives, including Corzine.
Corzine has hired prominent defence attorney Andrew Levander of New York, according to a person familiar with the situation.
Securities firms such as MF Global are supposed to keep their own money separate from their clients'. That way, clients can retrieve their assets easily if the company fails.
MF Global has maintained that the missing customer money is being held up by trading partners that froze its accounts as it teetered last week.
The Corzine era at MF Global began in March last year.
Seeking to raise MF Global's profile and expand its business, he sought help from former Goldman Sachs colleagues in New York and Washington.
In February, he successfully lobbied the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to make MF Global one of only 22 banks authorized as primary dealers of U.S. Treasury securities. The New York Fed's president and CEO, William Dudley, was a partner at Goldman until 2007.
Corzine later lobbied his company's main regulator, the CFTC, on new rules, including one related to the handling of client money. He held a call with former Goldman colleague Gensler in July, according to public records.
Corzine, who served one term in the U.S. Senate before being elected governor in 2005, also saw investment opportunity as the European debt crisis unfolded.
European bonds were paying higher returns than debt issued by other nations, and Corzine believed European leaders would back their countries' bonds and prevent them from losing value.
So MF Global decided to buy European government debt, much of it Italian. By the end of 2010, the firm had placed big bets — and did so with borrowed money. To raise the money, it turned to a common financing technique called repurchase agreements. In the end, it proved fatal.
On the surface, a repo agreement seems like a wise way for a firm to borrow. In exchange for cash, the borrower sells its lender a security such as a government bond with a proviso: It will buy back the security when the loan comes due.
The security acts like collateral for the loan. If the price of the security doesn't move much, the loan seems safe.
But in MF Global's case, the securities were European government bonds. And by June, regulators were growing worried about those bonds.
The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, a private regulator that oversees brokers, demanded MF Global hold more of a financial cushion against possible losses on its European bets. One fear: If the bonds fell in value, lenders would demand more collateral from MF Global. That could lead others to demand collateral.
It would all amount to a classic — and deadly — bank run. As it turned out, that's just what happened.
First came reports from news organizations and Wall Street analysts raising questions about MF Global's wagers on Europe. Then Moody's and other rating agencies downgraded the firm's creditworthiness.
Fear among MF Global's lenders and trading partners mounted, and panic set in. MF Global's stock price plunged. The firm lost business. Customers began pulling their money out, leaving the firm with little cash of its own.
In the end, as with Lehman and the collapsed hedge fund Long Term Capital Management, it wasn't so much what the firm bought that sped its downfall. It was the way it did so, with borrowed money.
Those trades were not the first time MF Global suffered from faulty risk management. It was fined $10 million in 2009 by the CFTC for failing to spot a rogue trader.
Two questions overhanging the company and its creditors: Will the Securities and Exchange Commission and the FBI discover evidence that this scramble for cash led MF Global to break the law and raid customers' accounts? And will Corzine himself become a focus of the criminal investigation?
As the investigations proceed, MF Global said lead director Edward Goldberg and president and Chief Operating Officer Bradley Abelow will continue in their current positions.
At the same time, MF Global's fall shined a spotlight on Gensler, whose agency is leading the investigation of MF Global.
Gensler long ago built close ties to Corzine — and eventually worked for him — as they rose through the ranks of Goldman Sachs. Later, they collaborated on Capitol Hill to pass an anti-corporate fraud law.
Gensler removed himself from the investigation "due to his long acquaintance with Mr. Corzine," the New York Times reported late Friday.
Republican Sen. Charles Grassley, who sits on the committee that oversees Gensler's agency, said Friday that even after Corzine's exit from MF Global, "It's hard to see how the commission chairman could be completely objective in looking out for wronged investors when he has such strong ties to the principal of the failed firm."
"It seems recusal would be the best outcome for investors," the senator said.
Gensler's spokesman did not respond to requests for comment on Saturday.


 

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What a load of crap ...

I can't take credit for this ... but the so called 99% in North America represent the top 5% in the world, let's redistribute the American wealth and standard of living accross the world first in a "just" and "fair" manner and then we will get to the top 1%

Honestly not much bothers me in life, but this is pure ignorance ... you accept the system for what it is and move on ... either you play by the rules and there is TONS of opportunity to advance in this country or you don't care about monetary values in your life and don't give in to the system and find peace and happiness in other things ... that's a choice everyone has ... nobody who has worked hard in this country has starved ...

or if you're an intelligent, alpha human being with some perspective, you grow up early in life and realize money makes the world go around, you advance fast in your career by putting yourself in situations other lazy baked people would not committ to, you grow financially not for materialistic reasons, but to liberate yourself and your future family of being constantly dependent on money ... and eventually you eliminate money as a factor in your life (because you have it) and focus on real sources of your happiness ... like your family, your health and open mindedness and constant learning ...

I don't understand what gives these people the arrogance to think they can make a change in a system that provides opportunity for this high standard of living ... A system that is well established and any alternative to it would be mass chaos ... Every government is a representation of human nature, yes it's not perfect or ideal or fair ... but that is not human nature to be fair ... the weak fail and the strongest survive ... understand how the real world works and move on ...

Occupy a JOB while you're at it ... As an example ... you can work in an active open pit mine for 80,000 / year + health and benefits 100% paid and you only work 5 months / year if you calculate the days .... but no ... you wanna wear your trendy clothes and get baked and sit in a starbucks like a douchebag with a smug look on your face and at the same time live in the best of conditions ... without making any effort ... just because it's your human right ... FUCK OFF
 
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What a load of crap ...

I can't take credit for this ... but the so called 99% in North America represent the top 5% in the world, let's redistribute the American wealth and standard of living accross the world first in a "just" and "fair" manner and then we will get to the top 1%

Honestly not much bothers me in life, but this is pure ignorance ... you accept the system for what it is and move on ... either you play by the rules and there is TONS of opportunity to advance in this country or you don't care about monetary values in your life and don't give in to the system and find peace and happiness in other things ... that's a choice everyone has ... nobody who has worked hard in this country has starved ...

or if you're an intelligent, alpha human being with some perspective, you grow up early in life and realize money makes the world go around, you advance fast in your career by putting yourself in situations other lazy baked people would not committ to, you grow financially not for materialistic reasons, but to liberate yourself and your future family of being constantly dependent on money ... and eventually you eliminate money as a factor in your life (because you have it) and focus on real sources of your happiness ... like your family, your health and open mindedness and constant learning ...

I don't understand what gives these people the arrogance to think they can make a change in a system that provides opportunity for this high standard of living ... A system that is well established and any alternative to it would be mass chaos ... Every government is a representation of human nature, yes it's not perfect or ideal or fair ... but that is not human nature to be fair ... the weak fail and the strongest survive ... understand how the real world works and move on ...

Occupy a JOB while you're at it ... As an example ... you can work in an active open pit mine for 80,000 / year + health and benefits 100% paid and you only work 5 months / year if you calculate the days .... but no ... you wanna wear your trendy clothes and get baked and sit in a starbucks like a douchebag with a smug look on your face and at the same time live in the best of conditions ... without making any effort ... just because it's your human right ... FUCK OFF
If America were a truly free and capitalist society, then I'd agree with you. Since it's not, then I have to agree with the protestors: they are getting screwed.

The problem is, they are blaming the wrong people/things.
 

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Speaking in the abstract is not enough. What do they want? You say the US is not a true capitalist society. Do you know you are in agreement with the tea party on this? In a true capitalists society there would not have been any bailouts or tarp. The dilemma the occupiers have is that they know who is stuffing bankers pockets but he is their man and they can't speak ill of him. They should be camping out in front of the White House.
 

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What a load of crap ...

I can't take credit for this ... but the so called 99% in North America represent the top 5% in the world, let's redistribute the American wealth and standard of living accross the world first in a "just" and "fair" manner and then we will get to the top 1%

Honestly not much bothers me in life, but this is pure ignorance ... you accept the system for what it is and move on ... either you play by the rules and there is TONS of opportunity to advance in this country or you don't care about monetary values in your life and don't give in to the system and find peace and happiness in other things ... that's a choice everyone has ... nobody who has worked hard in this country has starved ...

or if you're an intelligent, alpha human being with some perspective, you grow up early in life and realize money makes the world go around, you advance fast in your career by putting yourself in situations other lazy baked people would not committ to, you grow financially not for materialistic reasons, but to liberate yourself and your future family of being constantly dependent on money ... and eventually you eliminate money as a factor in your life (because you have it) and focus on real sources of your happiness ... like your family, your health and open mindedness and constant learning ...

I don't understand what gives these people the arrogance to think they can make a change in a system that provides opportunity for this high standard of living ... A system that is well established and any alternative to it would be mass chaos ... Every government is a representation of human nature, yes it's not perfect or ideal or fair ... but that is not human nature to be fair ... the weak fail and the strongest survive ... understand how the real world works and move on ...

Occupy a JOB while you're at it ... As an example ... you can work in an active open pit mine for 80,000 / year + health and benefits 100% paid and you only work 5 months / year if you calculate the days .... but no ... you wanna wear your trendy clothes and get baked and sit in a starbucks like a douchebag with a smug look on your face and at the same time live in the best of conditions ... without making any effort ... just because it's your human right ... FUCK OFF
Your post sounds like AN when he says we dont have any political prisoners lol..

educate yourself. read a few articles.

here's a start. read these graphs, and find out for yourself why these people are protesting.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what...-except-for-a-brief-blip-in-the-early-1980s-1
 

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Your post sounds like AN when he says we dont have any political prisoners lol..

educate yourself. read a few articles.

here's a start. read these graphs, and find out for yourself why these people are protesting.

http://www.businessinsider.com/what...-except-for-a-brief-blip-in-the-early-1980s-1
What I wrote in my post was really just my opinion ... and it could sound to you any which way based on your level of intellect and comprehension or willingness to hear a different perspective ... but based on the condescending and immature tone of your reply I'm not really motivated to dignify your inferiority with a rebuttal on the topic ...

Just know this bud, there is a front line reality in the world that we're all exposed to one way or another, and any idiot can follow the daily events and compare and subtract them from their own idealistic measures of what this world should be and hence form an opinion on the subject matter or start a social movement. To me that is not true intelligence, ... being intelligent is breaking through that level of reality to a new platform where you don't just react to daily events in a knee-jerk reaction, but understand human race from a historical paradigm point of view ... understand the structure of the world, society and governments and the progress of our evolution as a race.

Until then you'll be running around like a chicken with its head cut off, chasing the next socially acceptable topic and pride yourself in thinking outside the box ... wear a helmet.
 

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t understand human race from a historical paradigm point of view ... understand the structure of the world, society and governments and the progress of our evolution as a race.
ok Stephen Hawking

But I'm perplexed as to why you have a factually wrong opinion when you posses all those noble qualities that you listed above. it's kinda puzzling.
 

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ok Stephen Hawking

But I'm perplexed as to why you have a factually wrong opinion when you posses all those noble qualities that you listed above. it's kinda puzzling.
haha i'm just messing with you man, in a way playing the devil's advocate ... sorry if I sounded like a prick ... prolly didn't write my original post well enough... I'm not saying what the protestors are saying isn't valid ... it definitely is ... people are suffering out there while a selected few are sucking up all the resources ... no justification for that other than saying it's human nature ...

It's also wrong that half of the world is malnourished and we are so overfed ... or that after so many years of our evolution there is still phenomena such as organized religion and WAR ... how basic is that? but it's the reality of the current world ... it's a messed up place ...

my point was that if you live in North America at least you still have potential for surviving the injustice with effort and have some conventional success ... anyway bikhial ... peace
 
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'Occupy Wall Street' protesters interrupt Bachmann speech

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45244399#45244399

ABOARD THE USS YORKTOWN -- What was billed as a major foreign policy speech by Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann's campaign ground to a halt during several tense minutes today when a group of protesters abruptly took the stage aboard a decommissioned aircraft carrier near Charleston.

What appeared to be an Occupy Wall Street group read from a printed manifesto charging that Bachmann "parade as a grassroots candidate" while receiving support from a controversial conservative super PAC group, Americans for Prosperity.

Police led Bachmann -- visibly distressed -- off the stage until the protesters marched from the berth of the ship, chanting "we are the 99-percent," a phrase popularized by the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Bachmann took the podium again and asked, "Don't you love the First Amendment?"

A man accompanying the protesters who identified himself as a media liaison for the group would not comment to NBC at the event but said that the protest "speaks for itself," adding that it was "intense."

The group later sent a press release to NBC saying "we took advantage of the moment to address the system and the people within it as to the unjust role of corporate money in politics."

Bachmann told reporters following her speech that while she believed the protesters had the right to exercise free speech, they were disrespectful of the veterans who came to hear her speak.

"It was ironic that you had a group of young people and it was a very disrespectful and ignorant move to take action in the midst of veterans who fought to give them the right to do that," she said of the protest.

During her speech Bachmann called for military and diplomatic reforms, while adding that she "stands in opposition to this administration's assault on [the U.S.] national security apparatus."

Bachmann spoke out against sweeping $600 billion dollar cuts to the military she says are threatened by the Super Committee, though in a dig at opponents in the GOP field she said she recognizes that some cuts need to be made.

"There are those in this race who will pander and say that they will reduce spending in every part of the budget, but the military," Bachmann said.

"But I am here to tell you the truth that even our military's budget must be examined for places where we can do more or at least the same with less."

(Governor Perry of Texas has indicated cuts to the military are off-limits.)

Alluding to the controversial interrogation methods used during the Bush administration, Bachmann also said that she would repeal President Obama's executive order, from 2009, that banned the CIA from using any interrogation methods beyond those listed in the Army Field Manual.

And taking a line from Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential bid, Bachmann said she would "pursue radical Islamic terrorists... to the gates of Hell."

Bachmann also said she would change the way military contractors are hired, and include the Chief of the National Guard Bureau in the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
 
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Speaking in the abstract is not enough. What do they want? You say the US is not a true capitalist society. Do you know you are in agreement with the tea party on this? In a true capitalists society there would not have been any bailouts or tarp. The dilemma the occupiers have is that they know who is stuffing bankers pockets but he is their man and they can't speak ill of him. They should be camping out in front of the White House.
I would agree and am - and was - against the bailouts.
 

Pahlevoon Nayeb

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Occupy Wall Street is turning into a cesspool everyone expected. They did not shut down Wall Street but they gave us "Zucotti lung".

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/n...-street-health-is-a-growing-concern.html?_r=1
I see you can't even be original in your attacks. Hint: the real cesspool is where the criminal fascist pig Karl Rove hangs out, you know, where you lifted your quote from! BTW, Goebbels... I mean Rove's dirty attack on Warren is going to help her instead! enjoy the ride :)

[video=youtube_share;nSGuwU3HSjw]http://youtu.be/nSGuwU3HSjw[/video]
 

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You are a one trick pony buddy. Dragging out Rove's corpse under the tent? Go for a walk and get some fresh air in Zucotti park. Just cover your mouth when you go back home (you do have a home, don't you?). You don't want to make anybody sick.
 

Pahlevoon Nayeb

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You are a one trick pony buddy. Dragging out Rove's corpse under the tent? Go for a walk and get some fresh air in Zucotti park. Just cover your mouth when you go back home (you do have a home, don't you?). You don't want to make anybody sick.
And, you’re just plain clueless.

I’ll go for a walk if you promise to get your head out of FOX news’ rear-end and read every once in a while. The clip I posted was created and paid for by Karl Rove. Then again, I suspect you know that.