Oldman Jaan,
Glad that finally you got the point. I hope you are right on not intentionally going to KOOCHEH ALI CHAP.
Please note that going to KOOCHEH ALI CHAP is not out of fear. It is a tactic to divert from the actual point.
How did we know you were a teacher? Your posts are anything like a teacher but more like MENBAR preaching, very similar to GP's posts, thinking everyone is a school kid here and have to listen to you without questioning or else you will insult them as you did above.
Furthermore, how do you know we are not teachers ourselves?
If you like to be respected you have to make your posts represent a respectable person. It is like just the use of words, it is also the attitude.
By the way, I do respect teachers but none like those in this clip. The clip is not real but those type of teachers are so usual in our country, especially the older times:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWtR0vE-7BM"]YouTube- iran ghesehaye majid[/ame]
Glad that finally you got the point. I hope you are right on not intentionally going to KOOCHEH ALI CHAP.
Please note that going to KOOCHEH ALI CHAP is not out of fear. It is a tactic to divert from the actual point.
How did we know you were a teacher? Your posts are anything like a teacher but more like MENBAR preaching, very similar to GP's posts, thinking everyone is a school kid here and have to listen to you without questioning or else you will insult them as you did above.
Furthermore, how do you know we are not teachers ourselves?
If you like to be respected you have to make your posts represent a respectable person. It is like just the use of words, it is also the attitude.
By the way, I do respect teachers but none like those in this clip. The clip is not real but those type of teachers are so usual in our country, especially the older times:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWtR0vE-7BM"]YouTube- iran ghesehaye majid[/ame]
Ba dorood
???Referee, I do not need to play any kind of tactics such as KOOCHEH ALI-CHAP as I am very confident in what I have learned and ability to learn more.*** Those who pull such tactics, usually, are not confident of their knowledge and ability.*** So, in my case, I have no need for any kind of tactics, at the least, let be known from now on.??I did not bring up the issue of “teacher” as you can review the previous posts here and see how it came about.*** So, I was not expecting anyone to know about my short life as a teacher.????Well, you call it MENBAR, I call it sharing AAGAAHI.*** As you have noticed, I have tried to share what I have read and learned and in most cases, I have provided the references.********* If you want to insult me by using such places as MENBAR for me then join the other one on this board who has no clue Maskhareh Kardan is one form of BI-ADABI.??Although, it is offensive, I ignored it and used the word teacher for it.*** I do not make assumption on others on this board so others being a teacher or not has nothing to do with my point.*** I have high regards for AAMOOZGAAR.*** I will look at the clip you have posted at a later time due to lack of it at this moment.????I do not ask for respect but I hope that I can gain it.*** Having said that, I would rather have respect one person who has enough AAGAAHI than 100s of others who simply have no Aagaahi or are not trained to seek it.??Attitude is not an issue since what I have posted here is simply INFORMATION and has nothing to do with how or what I feel.*** If you think there is an attitude issue then please pointed out through posts not how you feel about my posts.????I have run into many on-line who are/were very clueless about simple historical facts such as Dr. Mosadeq being DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED!!!!!*** LOL??So, when I post the fact about how he was nominated by Shah and Majlis had the ultimate call on it, many do not like to see their life long belief is not true!!!!*** I think that is where you see attitude, right?????I do not back off historical facts like the one I stated here as it is very very ISLAMIC thing to do if you catch my “drift”???Here is another example of attitude.*** I believe those who resort to MASKHAREGY are simply lacking knowledge thus resort to such behaviors.*** I have run into this with a few and most of them had some sort of Islamic taint.*** I simply ignore those so they get MAGASI and continue the same path!!*** No skin off my nose, ey?!??Here is another example, I have noticed that most of KHORDEH-ELM leftists use abusive language instead of MASKHAREGY.????In other words, Khordeh-elm with Islamic taint will end up Maskharegy and Khordeh-elm with leftist taint will end up using abusive language, based on my past experiences.??I know, next is the phrase Khordeh-elm that gives a “attitude” façade to me and at the such risk, I will do anything for Iran of tomorrow to be a power that no longer west or east can dominate or abuse so call me anything and label me anything you like to so long as it is helping Iran.??Last but certainly not the least, I am not here to have respect or win popularity.*** I simply like to learn and share what I have learned.*** I will not back down on what I have learned as facts.*** I tell you that I do not accept anything easily.*** (i.e. when I go to a specialist, I first check their resume before I let them touch me, that is how I do my home works).????Hope the above has cleared points that you have raised as a concern.*** Please let me know otherwise.?
???Referee, I do not need to play any kind of tactics such as KOOCHEH ALI-CHAP as I am very confident in what I have learned and ability to learn more.*** Those who pull such tactics, usually, are not confident of their knowledge and ability.*** So, in my case, I have no need for any kind of tactics, at the least, let be known from now on.??I did not bring up the issue of “teacher” as you can review the previous posts here and see how it came about.*** So, I was not expecting anyone to know about my short life as a teacher.????Well, you call it MENBAR, I call it sharing AAGAAHI.*** As you have noticed, I have tried to share what I have read and learned and in most cases, I have provided the references.********* If you want to insult me by using such places as MENBAR for me then join the other one on this board who has no clue Maskhareh Kardan is one form of BI-ADABI.??Although, it is offensive, I ignored it and used the word teacher for it.*** I do not make assumption on others on this board so others being a teacher or not has nothing to do with my point.*** I have high regards for AAMOOZGAAR.*** I will look at the clip you have posted at a later time due to lack of it at this moment.????I do not ask for respect but I hope that I can gain it.*** Having said that, I would rather have respect one person who has enough AAGAAHI than 100s of others who simply have no Aagaahi or are not trained to seek it.??Attitude is not an issue since what I have posted here is simply INFORMATION and has nothing to do with how or what I feel.*** If you think there is an attitude issue then please pointed out through posts not how you feel about my posts.????I have run into many on-line who are/were very clueless about simple historical facts such as Dr. Mosadeq being DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED!!!!!*** LOL??So, when I post the fact about how he was nominated by Shah and Majlis had the ultimate call on it, many do not like to see their life long belief is not true!!!!*** I think that is where you see attitude, right?????I do not back off historical facts like the one I stated here as it is very very ISLAMIC thing to do if you catch my “drift”???Here is another example of attitude.*** I believe those who resort to MASKHAREGY are simply lacking knowledge thus resort to such behaviors.*** I have run into this with a few and most of them had some sort of Islamic taint.*** I simply ignore those so they get MAGASI and continue the same path!!*** No skin off my nose, ey?!??Here is another example, I have noticed that most of KHORDEH-ELM leftists use abusive language instead of MASKHAREGY.????In other words, Khordeh-elm with Islamic taint will end up Maskharegy and Khordeh-elm with leftist taint will end up using abusive language, based on my past experiences.??I know, next is the phrase Khordeh-elm that gives a “attitude” façade to me and at the such risk, I will do anything for Iran of tomorrow to be a power that no longer west or east can dominate or abuse so call me anything and label me anything you like to so long as it is helping Iran.??Last but certainly not the least, I am not here to have respect or win popularity.*** I simply like to learn and share what I have learned.*** I will not back down on what I have learned as facts.*** I tell you that I do not accept anything easily.*** (i.e. when I go to a specialist, I first check their resume before I let them touch me, that is how I do my home works).????Hope the above has cleared points that you have raised as a concern.*** Please let me know otherwise.?
Oldman Jaan -
Don't let yourself to be dragged into nonsense ....
You did a great thing by posting what RP had to say - and I for one appreciate it. Please be aware that while you were missing - theree was something great that happened here on ISP - and that was a campaign against trolls and those who divert threads........ If you feel someone is trying to change or derail your thread just let the admins know - but more importantly just try to ignore them.
BTW - did you see the clip of Nirouye Entezami hitting one of their own for being too rough on people? That is a great sign - a needed ingridient in every regime collapse.
Don't let yourself to be dragged into nonsense ....
You did a great thing by posting what RP had to say - and I for one appreciate it. Please be aware that while you were missing - theree was something great that happened here on ISP - and that was a campaign against trolls and those who divert threads........ If you feel someone is trying to change or derail your thread just let the admins know - but more importantly just try to ignore them.
BTW - did you see the clip of Nirouye Entezami hitting one of their own for being too rough on people? That is a great sign - a needed ingridient in every regime collapse.
:wallbash2:
***take a deep breath***paragraph is your friend***Aagahi is subjective***I catch your drift***now you have to pay for my eye doctor***take another deep breath***Yoga would help too***
:drunk:
On a more serious note, as few have already mentioned to you in friendly fashion, you're not being taken seriously because you come across as a preaching, know-it-all, and close-minded poster who frankly doesn't show much logic in his posts. I believe you are sincere and honest and possibly knowledgeable in some areas and not so knowledgeable in others, pretty much like everyone else on this forum. The problem is your attitude and, forgive me for saying this, your close-mindedness masks all the positives.
The first rule for being able to contribute in heated discussions is that you, deep down, allow for the possibility that you are on the wrong side of an argument. Or more accurately, that the other side may be just as right as you are. It is essential that one constantly reminds oneself that what we see is also a question of perspective, and that there are often a lot more grays than blacks and whites.
What I'm trying to say is that take the Aagahi/Naagahi card off the table. The moment you call your audience naAgah (and many of us do this one way or another in the heat of discussion) you close the door to any chance of having anything constructive coming out of that discussion.
***take a deep breath***paragraph is your friend***Aagahi is subjective***I catch your drift***now you have to pay for my eye doctor***take another deep breath***Yoga would help too***
:drunk:
On a more serious note, as few have already mentioned to you in friendly fashion, you're not being taken seriously because you come across as a preaching, know-it-all, and close-minded poster who frankly doesn't show much logic in his posts. I believe you are sincere and honest and possibly knowledgeable in some areas and not so knowledgeable in others, pretty much like everyone else on this forum. The problem is your attitude and, forgive me for saying this, your close-mindedness masks all the positives.
The first rule for being able to contribute in heated discussions is that you, deep down, allow for the possibility that you are on the wrong side of an argument. Or more accurately, that the other side may be just as right as you are. It is essential that one constantly reminds oneself that what we see is also a question of perspective, and that there are often a lot more grays than blacks and whites.
What I'm trying to say is that take the Aagahi/Naagahi card off the table. The moment you call your audience naAgah (and many of us do this one way or another in the heat of discussion) you close the door to any chance of having anything constructive coming out of that discussion.
Ba dorood:
I did explain in another post that I sometimes use my handheld device that it is not so friendly to have a post broken in sections.
I also explained that I am not and have never claimed that I am AAGAAH and the rest of people are NAA AAGAAH.
Again, Aagaahi has no limit and no one person on earth can say that he/she is AAGAAH about everything in life and in our case about Iran.
I may be Aagaah about some issues as I have provided the source and reference for and Naa Aagaah about a lot of issues.
I think that my political affiliation and views are the real cause of such judgments by a few members here that I consider myself AAGAAH and the rest NAA AAGAAH!!!
Really, take a look at replies then you can see what I am talking about.
Review my posts and see where and when I raised the flag of NAA AAGAAHI on a post and did not provide my reasoning including support (reference).
Again, we all need to accept every Iranian with every political view that he/she may have and if we do not agree with them, we can either try to share each other's AAGAAHI to help one another to see the counter's view or simply agree to disagree.
However on the other hand, leaving our political views/tendencies aside for the sake of Iran, we will fall into another trap of HAMEH BAA HAM.
We don't have to be a "melting pot" but a great salad that every ingredient is delicious stand alone and also is great in combination with each other.
I did explain in another post that I sometimes use my handheld device that it is not so friendly to have a post broken in sections.
I also explained that I am not and have never claimed that I am AAGAAH and the rest of people are NAA AAGAAH.
Again, Aagaahi has no limit and no one person on earth can say that he/she is AAGAAH about everything in life and in our case about Iran.
I may be Aagaah about some issues as I have provided the source and reference for and Naa Aagaah about a lot of issues.
I think that my political affiliation and views are the real cause of such judgments by a few members here that I consider myself AAGAAH and the rest NAA AAGAAH!!!
Really, take a look at replies then you can see what I am talking about.
Review my posts and see where and when I raised the flag of NAA AAGAAHI on a post and did not provide my reasoning including support (reference).
Again, we all need to accept every Iranian with every political view that he/she may have and if we do not agree with them, we can either try to share each other's AAGAAHI to help one another to see the counter's view or simply agree to disagree.
However on the other hand, leaving our political views/tendencies aside for the sake of Iran, we will fall into another trap of HAMEH BAA HAM.
We don't have to be a "melting pot" but a great salad that every ingredient is delicious stand alone and also is great in combination with each other.
Oldman Jaan,
I do not think you got what Khodam was trying to tell you here.
The point is not that you claim to be AAGAAH on EVERY subject. The point is that even in one specific subject you bring forward you do not even want to consider the POSSIBILITY of being wrong in what you want to say. That is the point a discussion ends and preaching starts.
I do not think you got what Khodam was trying to tell you here.
The point is not that you claim to be AAGAAH on EVERY subject. The point is that even in one specific subject you bring forward you do not even want to consider the POSSIBILITY of being wrong in what you want to say. That is the point a discussion ends and preaching starts.
For whatever it is worth, I agree that Reza Pahlavi should not be referred to as His Imperial Majesty, since he does not hold active status which may even be his own feelings too. Though it is encouraging that he is not bitter about the events of Iran in recent past and still engages in the affairs of the land and seems genuinely patriotic. If he really wants, he may be referred to as prince (shahzadeh) since he was after all born to a king, but instead he may wish to show people who Reza Pahlavi really is as a person and not as a prince.
This may be the best thing for him and others who want to emerge in leadership roles or just genuinely help Iran become a free land to really engage the people more directly and let them discover them and their ideas without the titles and pardon me for saying this, without the fanfare. Iran needs a leader, a visionary, a unifier, a consensus-builder, or better yet, many of them, who will bring all its peoples together and let them build a common vision and then realize it. The lingering effects of centuries-old oppression and tyranny although already diminishing, will not entirely disappear over night, and certainly not without deliberate and sustained effort.
This may be the best thing for him and others who want to emerge in leadership roles or just genuinely help Iran become a free land to really engage the people more directly and let them discover them and their ideas without the titles and pardon me for saying this, without the fanfare. Iran needs a leader, a visionary, a unifier, a consensus-builder, or better yet, many of them, who will bring all its peoples together and let them build a common vision and then realize it. The lingering effects of centuries-old oppression and tyranny although already diminishing, will not entirely disappear over night, and certainly not without deliberate and sustained effort.
من تا حالا راجع به رضا پهلوی نظر بخصوصی نداشتم چونکه کلا حساب او را با پدرش جدا میدانستم ولی سعی میکنم بطور کلی هر چی که راجع به این موضوع فکر میکنم را بنویسم.
اولا من اگر جای رضا پهلوی بودم بهیچ وجه دست از ارث خودم که همان سلطنت ایران باشد نمیکشیدم و حتی اگر جانم را هم در این را از دست میدادم چه باک.
ولی این آقای بچه سوسول دمکرات منش ما آقای پهلوی که خودش را طرفدار دمکراسی میداند چه چیزی از سایر مردم بیشتر دارد؟ شاید اسمش از من معروفتر است و نه چیز دیگر. خوب حالا راجع به گذشته اش مگر ایشان چه هیزم تری بمردم فروخته که باید از مردم ایران معذرت بخواهد؟ اگر پدرش کاری کرده که ربطی به ایشان ندارد. مگر این آقایان جمهوری اسهالی که اینهمه خدمت!!! به مردم این مرز و بوم کرده اند معذرت میخواهند! مثل موسوی خاتمی کروبی و حتی منتظری پس توقع بیجا نباید داشت.
اما راجع به پدر ایشان گر چه من خودم در مدت سلطنت ایشان مشمول مراحم بی شائبه مهمان نوازی شاهانه ایشان شدم ولی اگر بدون غرض خاصی راجع بدوران سطنت خاندان پهلوی قضاوت کنیم باین سادگی نمیشه گفت گه همه چیز تقصیر او بوده.
دلیل بارز من برای مقصر بودن یا نبودن شاه و یا پدرش را در اختیار داشتن تمام امکانات مالی و اجرائی ایران را میدانم که در دست دولت ایشان متمرکز بود و مسلما هر کس اینهمه اختیارات را یک جا در اختیار داشته باشد جوابگوی مردم نخواهد بود. من هم اگر جای ایشان بودم و اینهمه قدرت در اختیارم گذاشته بودند و تمام اومرای ارتش و بزرگان قوم دستم را ماچ میکردند ادعای خدائی میکردم مگر خمینی نکرد و خامنه ای نمیکند.
نتیجه اخلاقی اینست که اگر مردم ایران خواهان دمکراسی هستند یا بقول این اصلاح طلبان قلابی هزینه آنرا بپردازند. هزینه دمکراسی چیه؟ کار کار و باز هم کار و یعنی حاضر باشند که نفت را بقیمت تمام شده بخرند و بیهوده مصرف نکنند، دست از اقصاد دولتی و سابسید بردارند و اقصاد را از دست دولت خارج کنند وقتی وسائل ستم و ظلم را از ظالم گرفتی دیگه ظالمی وجود ندارد که ظلم بکنه. اینجا البته سعی کردم که جواب دوتا از دوستان را که در یک ترد دیگررا که منظورم از نبودن معنی ستمگر در غرب را درست متوجه نشده بودند را هم بدهم . در انگلیسی برای ستمگر لغت داریم ولی خود ستمگر وجود ندارد چونکه ابزارش را ندارد.
ثانیا این ایده ئولوژی مارکسسیت که مثل شیعیان طرفدار ضعفا و اندر داگ است و ضد ستمگر.
در صورتیکه بنظر من برعکس اندر داگ قابل احترام نیست هر کس که از حقش دفاع نکند حق ندارد نقطه سر سطر.
برو قوی شو اگر راحت جهان طلبی که در نظام طبیعت ضعیف پامال است
اولا من اگر جای رضا پهلوی بودم بهیچ وجه دست از ارث خودم که همان سلطنت ایران باشد نمیکشیدم و حتی اگر جانم را هم در این را از دست میدادم چه باک.
ولی این آقای بچه سوسول دمکرات منش ما آقای پهلوی که خودش را طرفدار دمکراسی میداند چه چیزی از سایر مردم بیشتر دارد؟ شاید اسمش از من معروفتر است و نه چیز دیگر. خوب حالا راجع به گذشته اش مگر ایشان چه هیزم تری بمردم فروخته که باید از مردم ایران معذرت بخواهد؟ اگر پدرش کاری کرده که ربطی به ایشان ندارد. مگر این آقایان جمهوری اسهالی که اینهمه خدمت!!! به مردم این مرز و بوم کرده اند معذرت میخواهند! مثل موسوی خاتمی کروبی و حتی منتظری پس توقع بیجا نباید داشت.
اما راجع به پدر ایشان گر چه من خودم در مدت سلطنت ایشان مشمول مراحم بی شائبه مهمان نوازی شاهانه ایشان شدم ولی اگر بدون غرض خاصی راجع بدوران سطنت خاندان پهلوی قضاوت کنیم باین سادگی نمیشه گفت گه همه چیز تقصیر او بوده.
دلیل بارز من برای مقصر بودن یا نبودن شاه و یا پدرش را در اختیار داشتن تمام امکانات مالی و اجرائی ایران را میدانم که در دست دولت ایشان متمرکز بود و مسلما هر کس اینهمه اختیارات را یک جا در اختیار داشته باشد جوابگوی مردم نخواهد بود. من هم اگر جای ایشان بودم و اینهمه قدرت در اختیارم گذاشته بودند و تمام اومرای ارتش و بزرگان قوم دستم را ماچ میکردند ادعای خدائی میکردم مگر خمینی نکرد و خامنه ای نمیکند.
نتیجه اخلاقی اینست که اگر مردم ایران خواهان دمکراسی هستند یا بقول این اصلاح طلبان قلابی هزینه آنرا بپردازند. هزینه دمکراسی چیه؟ کار کار و باز هم کار و یعنی حاضر باشند که نفت را بقیمت تمام شده بخرند و بیهوده مصرف نکنند، دست از اقصاد دولتی و سابسید بردارند و اقصاد را از دست دولت خارج کنند وقتی وسائل ستم و ظلم را از ظالم گرفتی دیگه ظالمی وجود ندارد که ظلم بکنه. اینجا البته سعی کردم که جواب دوتا از دوستان را که در یک ترد دیگررا که منظورم از نبودن معنی ستمگر در غرب را درست متوجه نشده بودند را هم بدهم . در انگلیسی برای ستمگر لغت داریم ولی خود ستمگر وجود ندارد چونکه ابزارش را ندارد.
ثانیا این ایده ئولوژی مارکسسیت که مثل شیعیان طرفدار ضعفا و اندر داگ است و ضد ستمگر.
در صورتیکه بنظر من برعکس اندر داگ قابل احترام نیست هر کس که از حقش دفاع نکند حق ندارد نقطه سر سطر.
برو قوی شو اگر راحت جهان طلبی که در نظام طبیعت ضعیف پامال است
Dear moosh1
I agree with a lot of what you said. This question that has often been put forward to Reza Pahlavi and his supporters is:"What have you done during the last 30 years?"
Let me ask another question from the people who who pose the question above:
"Indeed, what has he done during the last 30 years?!"
I agree with a lot of what you said. This question that has often been put forward to Reza Pahlavi and his supporters is:"What have you done during the last 30 years?"
Let me ask another question from the people who who pose the question above:
"Indeed, what has he done during the last 30 years?!"
jenaab moosh, I don't want to divert the discussion but this idea that there is no setam in the west is wrong.
It all depends on how you define setam in practical terms. I would include in the meaning of "setam" as kind of injustice. For example, for me what the banks have done in recent times is the very example of setam in the west. This is where fatcats get richer and poorer people pay for it and get poorer. This is what we see happening before our very eyes here in the west while the system allows it to happen.
This may not be setam as we think of it in our parts of the world but if you think about it that's exactly what it is.
It all depends on how you define setam in practical terms. I would include in the meaning of "setam" as kind of injustice. For example, for me what the banks have done in recent times is the very example of setam in the west. This is where fatcats get richer and poorer people pay for it and get poorer. This is what we see happening before our very eyes here in the west while the system allows it to happen.
This may not be setam as we think of it in our parts of the world but if you think about it that's exactly what it is.
what did you teach at these US colleges?? US consititution?? Bill of rights?? or physical education ....
the sad part is you have people living in a democratic country, enjoying the personal and political freedom, yet are advocating a monarch government in a country that is known to worship idols and create dictators.
When you say "HIS" or "His Imperial Majesty", have you not learned anything in the past 40 years???? Did you not get what the damage of a "Khodah, Shah, Meehan" mentality brings to a nation? Reza Pahlavai is the son of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi ..... that's all he is. He is no better than you and I. A democratic Iran should allow him to run for presidency. But to grant someone the Majesty laghab in this time and age is sad, especially when one has had the opportunity to live in a democracy.
the sad part is you have people living in a democratic country, enjoying the personal and political freedom, yet are advocating a monarch government in a country that is known to worship idols and create dictators.
When you say "HIS" or "His Imperial Majesty", have you not learned anything in the past 40 years???? Did you not get what the damage of a "Khodah, Shah, Meehan" mentality brings to a nation? Reza Pahlavai is the son of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi ..... that's all he is. He is no better than you and I. A democratic Iran should allow him to run for presidency. But to grant someone the Majesty laghab in this time and age is sad, especially when one has had the opportunity to live in a democracy.