Whatever you believe about AN, whether or not he has had a hand in the terrosrist activities of IRI, barring him from attending UN is not a good idea.
It is not in the interest of UN or the international community to have a single country (US) unilaterally deciding who can or cannot attend UN meetings and address the general assembly.
It is also not in the iterest of US to be seen by the world as a bully who does what it wants with total disregard to the charter of the UN and its responsibilities as the host.
The sponsors may also want to avoid exaggerations to sound a bit more credible. Statements such as:
"Great Majority of Iranian people boycotted sham election and they have not participated in the recent Islamic election"
does not help their credibilty.
Oh, I am sorry, its SOSIRAN, so it must be true!!!!!
It is not in the interest of UN or the international community to have a single country (US) unilaterally deciding who can or cannot attend UN meetings and address the general assembly.
It is also not in the iterest of US to be seen by the world as a bully who does what it wants with total disregard to the charter of the UN and its responsibilities as the host.
The sponsors may also want to avoid exaggerations to sound a bit more credible. Statements such as:
"Great Majority of Iranian people boycotted sham election and they have not participated in the recent Islamic election"
does not help their credibilty.
Oh, I am sorry, its SOSIRAN, so it must be true!!!!!
wow, so now Ahmadinejad has moved up the ranks to "Terrorist Master Mahmood Ahmadinejad"? LOL
Just curious what it takes to get that label. Cleaning the streets of Tehran or getting the majority of Iranian votes? LOL.
BTW, what harm is there in listening to his side of the story? If he is a liar then why not let him talk and expose his lies. If he is going to tell the truth then why not let people hear the truth? Seems to me like his presence at the UN would be a win win situation for anyone who cares about exposing the truth.
Just curious what it takes to get that label. Cleaning the streets of Tehran or getting the majority of Iranian votes? LOL.
BTW, what harm is there in listening to his side of the story? If he is a liar then why not let him talk and expose his lies. If he is going to tell the truth then why not let people hear the truth? Seems to me like his presence at the UN would be a win win situation for anyone who cares about exposing the truth.
Toofan said:
No way they gonna let him in US. That guy was one of the guys who took over US embassy 
So I don't see why the US government has a problem with President Ahmadinejad attending the UN
It is amazing when Khatami, Karubi, Rafsanjani, and Moin as well as scores of others accepted wide spread vote riggings and vast cheating by Basij and IRGC to have AhmadiNejad's name mysteriously out of ballot boxes, there are still some disillusion individuals who take AhmadiNejad selection seriously (Of course, maybe Imam Zaman invisible vote generating hands are OK for some).
That is normally referred to as "more Catholic than the Pope."
That is normally referred to as "more Catholic than the Pope."
excellently put mowj.
Unfortunately These closet regime supporters have benefited regime's cause more than regime's hard core supporters.
I agree with deerouz. US should not have the right to UNILATERRALY bar any international figure from attending UN sessions, albeit terrorist or whatever.However this should pose a good opportunity for Iranians in exile to show what they think of AN.
Unfortunately These closet regime supporters have benefited regime's cause more than regime's hard core supporters.
I agree with deerouz. US should not have the right to UNILATERRALY bar any international figure from attending UN sessions, albeit terrorist or whatever.However this should pose a good opportunity for Iranians in exile to show what they think of AN.
Chief said:
So were all the MKO terrorists but they are all lobbying on Capitol Hill these days. Heck in the shah time they even assasinated US military folks in Iran!
So I don't see why the US government has a problem with President Ahmadinejad attending the UN
So I don't see why the US government has a problem with President Ahmadinejad attending the UN
Anyway, the better if they dont let AN go to U.N. I agree with john bolton that U.N. is useless...but for different reasons. The great powers have been abusing their position on UNSC for years and the the less legitimate they make the U.N., the faster can countries withdraw. Why should we support an international regime that is inherently set up to be discriminatory and give all power to a few countries who can pass resolutions saying who is right and who is wrong and who deserves sanctions and being bombed.
For those interested, the above is a perfect example of adding a touch of fact to a batch of non-factual assumptions and presenting it as a matter of fact.
Fact is that names mentioned above did suggest the POSSIBILITY that there may have been some irregularities in the voting but none ever officially accepted "VAST cheating" or "SPREAD vote riggings" and none certainly ever implicated Basij or IRGC.
Also, if there was any cheating who is to say that they weren't also in favor of Rafsanjani (which certainly had and still has the political muscle do so) or other candidates?
The only disillusionment is of those people who think that all the reporters and news agencies in the world (including Western reporters) were bought off by Ahmadinejad in reporting a high turnout in elections and virtually all reporting their own exit-polls that majority of voters favored Ahmadinejad.
Mind you, the same people who are now quoting Khatami and Rafsanjani and Karoubi are the same people who called Khatami's two-term popular election as a sham and vote rigging as well.
Disillusioned are those who confuse the voices of people in Iran with "navAr".
Fact is that names mentioned above did suggest the POSSIBILITY that there may have been some irregularities in the voting but none ever officially accepted "VAST cheating" or "SPREAD vote riggings" and none certainly ever implicated Basij or IRGC.
Also, if there was any cheating who is to say that they weren't also in favor of Rafsanjani (which certainly had and still has the political muscle do so) or other candidates?
The only disillusionment is of those people who think that all the reporters and news agencies in the world (including Western reporters) were bought off by Ahmadinejad in reporting a high turnout in elections and virtually all reporting their own exit-polls that majority of voters favored Ahmadinejad.
Mind you, the same people who are now quoting Khatami and Rafsanjani and Karoubi are the same people who called Khatami's two-term popular election as a sham and vote rigging as well.
Disillusioned are those who confuse the voices of people in Iran with "navAr".
The truth is that Khatami, Rafsanjani, Karubi, Moin still have a lot of vested interest in this regim, for Karubi and specially Rafsanjani all being financial interests of billions of dollars pocketed but need to be protected irrespective of government as long as the regim is IRI. OTOH, for Moin and Khatami is more of protection of an ideology, "Khat Imam" and the founder of IRI.
So, despite initial protests very soon they all got together and decided to do some damage control and do their "rish safidi" and bargain over a nation's right, livelihood, and wants.
Khatami did the exact same thing about 7th Majlis selection, despite illegal disqualifications of 1/3 of candidates and of course countrywide boycott for the sake of survival of regim he decided to accept the results.
So, I think the path is very clear, continue to alienate Iranian citizens (almost 22 millions did not vote and a study of reasons those who did will be very amusing) by regim and alienate minorities from both, the regim and the country until the point of total collapse from within.
The country is falling apart from within and under its own weight of vast corruption that have left people after 27 years with triple and quadruple (even more) increase in poverty, unemployment, prostitution, high number of crimes, drug abuse, street children and homelessness, mass exodus of her best citizens, and on and on.
And the answer to all domestic crisis is to manufacture an international crisis as well to see if a corrupted regim possibly could appeal to people's national pride, but No More.
Iran could learn a lesson or two from former Soviet Union, where depite tens of thousands nuclear war heads, largest and most sophisticated armed forces, an industrial base Iran can only dream of, an a popular world status, how collased from within. Same fate awaits an isolated corrupted to the bone IRI from within and without.
It is just too unfortunate to observe another generation of corrupted clergies and their lackeys after 1400 years managed to disintegrate and destroy what was left from a seven milleniums long civilization.
Time is running out for Iran, the problems in Kurdistan, Khuzistan, Azarbaijan, and Baluchistan are not spontaneous problems to go away quickly, due to IRI conducts the minority issues are very deep rooted now and are just waiting to be exploded in a countrywide unrest.
27 years ago Iran was united in deposing the Shah, but this time every corner of the country is working toward and ready to annex from a country whose regim has had nothing but corruption, misery, and destruction for her citizens. And we have seen nothing yet as far as International community determination to stop IRI from acquiring the bomb to threaten the humanity at large. Nobody should make the grave mistake of equating IRI with Khatami as president with that of MesbahYazdi and his criminal gangs.
Prompt formation of a United Opposition Front before it is too late is a must to save the geographical integrity of the country.
So, despite initial protests very soon they all got together and decided to do some damage control and do their "rish safidi" and bargain over a nation's right, livelihood, and wants.
Khatami did the exact same thing about 7th Majlis selection, despite illegal disqualifications of 1/3 of candidates and of course countrywide boycott for the sake of survival of regim he decided to accept the results.
So, I think the path is very clear, continue to alienate Iranian citizens (almost 22 millions did not vote and a study of reasons those who did will be very amusing) by regim and alienate minorities from both, the regim and the country until the point of total collapse from within.
The country is falling apart from within and under its own weight of vast corruption that have left people after 27 years with triple and quadruple (even more) increase in poverty, unemployment, prostitution, high number of crimes, drug abuse, street children and homelessness, mass exodus of her best citizens, and on and on.
And the answer to all domestic crisis is to manufacture an international crisis as well to see if a corrupted regim possibly could appeal to people's national pride, but No More.
Iran could learn a lesson or two from former Soviet Union, where depite tens of thousands nuclear war heads, largest and most sophisticated armed forces, an industrial base Iran can only dream of, an a popular world status, how collased from within. Same fate awaits an isolated corrupted to the bone IRI from within and without.
It is just too unfortunate to observe another generation of corrupted clergies and their lackeys after 1400 years managed to disintegrate and destroy what was left from a seven milleniums long civilization.
Time is running out for Iran, the problems in Kurdistan, Khuzistan, Azarbaijan, and Baluchistan are not spontaneous problems to go away quickly, due to IRI conducts the minority issues are very deep rooted now and are just waiting to be exploded in a countrywide unrest.
27 years ago Iran was united in deposing the Shah, but this time every corner of the country is working toward and ready to annex from a country whose regim has had nothing but corruption, misery, and destruction for her citizens. And we have seen nothing yet as far as International community determination to stop IRI from acquiring the bomb to threaten the humanity at large. Nobody should make the grave mistake of equating IRI with Khatami as president with that of MesbahYazdi and his criminal gangs.
Prompt formation of a United Opposition Front before it is too late is a must to save the geographical integrity of the country.