Separation of Bahrain from Iran

[Chinaski]

Aghaa, ye soaal: Bahrain cheraa az iran jodaa shod va cheraa hichki az tamaamiyate marziye iran defaa nakard? Kessi midoone? Daaro dasteye dast boosaane alaa hazrat o aale alaa hazrat baayaad bedoonan dige. Began maa ham bedoonim. Ajibe, ilo tabaare paalaani haa, hamchin be daaro dastashoon foroo kardan ke faghat va faghat inaa boodan ke irandoost boodan o bozorgtarin nationalist haaye taarikhe in mamlekat boodan o chenin koso sheraai, ke in daaro daste o havaa daaran ham vaaghean ghabool kardan ke chenin boodeh. Vali chetore ke rezaa paalaani dorost moghei ke iran por az roos o ingilis boodeh, aslahe va dastooresh ro az roos migerefteh o too sare irooni mizadeh, vaghti ham ke inigilisi haa miaaranesh vaase oonaa kaar mikone, vaghti ham ke ingilisi haa dige nemikhaastanesh baa ye khat naameh az mamlekat faraarish midan. Pessaresh ham (haala nagid behem kaar vaase mamlekat karde, aare kardeh, khodam behtar midoonam chikaar karde chikaar nakardeh) ingilisiaa miaaran, baa koochiktarin moshkelaat kenaar nemiaad, faraar mikone, dobaare miaaranesh, 1979 taa taghi be tooghi mikhore, dobaare mamlekato vel mikoneh faraar mikone. Bahrain ro eyne aab khordan azash migiran jikesh dar nemiaad.

Vaalaa age inaa nationalist haaye in mamlekat boodan, vaaghean in mellat badbakhtan chon dar vaagheh kessi ro nadaashtan ke khodesho be khaatere in mellat be khatar bendaazeh, taa ozaa pas shode, hamashoon dar raftan. vali efaade o edeaa daaran taa delet bekhaad. Moshgel injaast ke maa enghadr aadame dorost o delsooz dar radife rahbaraan o paadeshaahaan kam daashtim ke vaghti ye raah aahane chosaki o ye daadgostari (ke dorostam kaar nemikard chon zire feshaare darbaar bood) o 4 taa saakhtemoon vaasamoon misaazan, fekr mikonim baayad khodemoono fadaaye oon paadshaah konim. Vali inke bahaai ke in mamlekat o mellat vaase oon 4 taa kaare khoobe inaa baayad midaadan cheghadr boodeh, in mohem nist. Inke in keshvar bikhod o bijahat be in rooze siaah nayoftaadeh, in mohem nist. Engaar etefaaghaate in keshvar hichkoddom be ham rabt nadaaran, engaar mishe etefaaghaate doraane rezaa paalaani ro az doraane mamad reza jodaa kard. Engaar mishe etefaaghaate 35 saale akhir ro komplett az doraane reza paalaani o pessaresh jodaa kard.

 

[DireStraits]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxE2DZgTDjk

 

[oghabealborz]

Dear China it is very hard to read finglish of that lentgh ...could you type in parsi or say it in English ....but to be honest I think it was a mistake . Even if we didnt have the power to get it back we should have just let it be a gray area for time being until we had a stronger posifion to negotiate ...that s is my opinion but we cant bring back the past ....so we better concentrate on what we have and look forward.

 

[Chinaski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxE2DZgTDjk

Bale dooste aziz. Jenaab moshiri raast mige. Montaahaa baaz mokhtasar mige. Mamad Reza alanan baaj daad be ingilis. Taghdimeshoon kard va too iran ham dahane harki ro ke zedde in jaryaan harf zad service kard o andaakhtesh zendaan. Vaghti yek khaandaani fekr mikone iran erse pedarishe o har ghalati delesh mikhaad bokone, mikone, natijash in mishe. IR ham ye hamchin paadshaai hast. Velaayate faghih ham paadeshaahe. Mamlekat ro be ers borde, be ers ham mizaare. Harki oomade, taa mitooneste khorde o borde, harvaght ham taghi be tooghi khorde, ride be khodesho faraar kardeh. In taarikhe nangine in mamlekate. Oonvaght maa moondim baa ye seri dast boos, ke miaan behemoon migan felaani daaneshgaah saakhteh, besaari khiaaboon saakhte engaar na engaar ke inaa vazifashoon boodeh in kaar haaro bokonan. Shah o rahbar boodan faghat khordan khaabidan nist, faghat koshtan o sarkoob o dozdi o gholdori nist. Ye 4 taa kaar ham baayad vaase mamlekat anjaam daad. Az dozdi haa harf zade nemishe, az rezaalat harf zadeh nemishe az in ke mellati ke shahesh hamishe az moshgel faraar kardeh, olgoo bardaari mikone o yek mellate bozdell o too sari khor mishe, sohbati nemishe...

Ingilis oon zamaan too mogheyate khoobi ham nabood taazeh. Moshgele eghtesaadi daasht o makhaareje nezaamiye khodesham nemitoonest too mantaghe tamin kone. Moghaabele ingilis faghat baayad paaydaari mikard ke nakard. Laazem be lashgar keshi o in harfaa nabood, (ke taaze age atatürk bood lashgar keshi ham mikard age gharaar bood ye tikke az mamlekatesho jodaa konan), iran faghat baayad seft o sakht migoft NA. Vali shah haaye paalaani aadat karde boodan vaaase baaj daadan vaase baghaaye khodeshoon. erse pedarishoon bood dige! Baba Bahrain ostaane 14home iran bood. Mellat irooni boodan, refighe khode man too tehran esmesh fereydoon bahraini bood o kolle khoonevaadeye pedarish hanooz too bahrain zendegi mikardan. Az oon var inaa keshti keshti arab miaavordan (ke moshiri ham mige) az ye taraf ham saakenine irooniye bahrain ro vaadaar mikardan shenaasnaameye iroonishoono baatel konan (ke moshiri ino nemige). Aslan zedde ghaanoone asaasiye iran bood. Tebghe ghaanoone asaasiye iran, shah movazaf bood az tamaamiyate arziye iran defaa kone ke nakard. Tebghe ghaanoone asaasiye iran in jaryaan ehtiaaj be yek refraandom daasht ke anjaam nashod chon na sheikh isaa movaafegh bood na ingilisi haa va na shah chon momken bood ye sonnat beshe o mellat mazzeye refraandom zire zebooneshoon biofteh. Too majles shoraaye melli badbakht yeki paa shod dar in mored harf zad ke bad az oon dige too majles raash nadaadan. 1349 dariyoush foroohar dar morede jaryaane bahrain ye elaamiye be nakhost vazire keshvar minevise ke badbakhto migiran 3 saal mindaazanesh zendaan.

hamin baaj haaro daadan ke emrooz tonbe koochi o bozorg o abu mussaa ro ham mikhaan. Hamin baaj haaro daadan ke jorat mikonan be khalije fars began khalije arab o bekhaan esmesham avaz konan ke man midoonam taa 10 saal dige inkaar ro ham mikonan.

 

[DireStraits]

Not every thing shah did could be justified. But British people were also clever. They got UN to talk to shah and incase shah refused they could ask UN to condemn Iran like before Iran Iraq war. Yes shah arested the protesters but we have also seen protesters who gives us a hard life. Shah was a dictator. Yes.But he what he wanted Iran to develope.

 

[Motori]

From around 1780 when Brits took Bahrain away from Ghaajaars, Iran never had any sovereignty over that Island.

To those who claim Shah gave Bahrain away in 1971..please give me the name of last Iranian Governor of Bahrain. Or any Iranian Governor of Bahrain after 1783. Thank you.

In 1960s Shah found the situation ripe for staring the pot and catch a fish from the muddy waters, making some claim wrt Bahrain belonging to Iran and at the end we were able to take all those 5 islands as concession for giving up Bahrain. When in reality we didn't have any sovereignty over Bahrain any way.

 

[General Parsaian]

جدا شدن بحرین از ایران از بیعرضگی قجرها بود و ناتوانی محمد رضا شاه که نتوانست
جلوی رسمی شدن جدایی بحرین را بگیرد
ایران در دوران قاجار مخصوصا ان اواخر و در دوران پهلوی حرفی برای گفتن نداشت که شما امده اید الان شاه را محکوم می کنید که بحرین را داد به فلان کسک
بحرین در واقع قبل از به رسمیت شناختش جدا از ایران بود ال خلیفه انجا حکومت می کرد
قرن ها قبل از ال خلیفه هم حکامی مستقل داشته هرچند که در برخی دوران این حکام از حکومت ایران پیروی می کردند ولی در مقاطعی مستقل بودند حتی از شبهه جزیره عرب
مثلا زمانی که عیونیون و بعد از ان ال العصفور که در انجا حکومت می کردند مذهب انها کاملا مخالف مذهب جزیره العرب بوده
برای خودشان سکه می زندند و حکومت مستقلی داشته اند
سالها قبل از اینکه استقلال پیدا کند برای خودشان پول چاپ می کردند و حکومتی مستقل داشتند روی سکه های خود می نوشتند حکومت البحرین
اینطور نبوده که مثلا بحرین مثل بوشهر و بندر عباس یا خرمشهر جزو ایران بوده و از حکومت مرکزی پیروی میکرده
الان بعضی ها چنان از رژیم گذشته ایراد می گیرند که بحرین را دا د به انگلیس که انگار بحرین زیر نفوذ ایران بود
ولی به نظر من اشتباه شاه این بود که بحرین را به رسمیت شناخت
البته که او زیر فشار بوده ولی می بایستی می امد و می گفت پارلمان ایران بحرین را یک کشور مستقل از ایران نمی داند
خلاصه به شکلی جریان پیش می رفت که اگر ما در اینده می خواستیم ادعا کنیم بحرین جزوی از خاک ماست با
ادعای اینکه ان را برسمیت شناختیم روبرو نشویم

 

[Chinaski]

From around 1780 when Brits took Bahrain away from Ghaajaars, Iran never had any sovereignty over that Island.

To those who claim Shah gave Bahrain away in 1971..please give me the name of last Iranian Governor of Bahrain. Or any Iranian Governor of Bahrain after 1783. Thank you.

In 1960s Shah found the situation ripe for staring the pot and catch a fish from the muddy waters, making some claim wrt Bahrain belonging to Iran and at the end we were able to take all those 5 islands as concession for giving up Bahrain. When in reality we didn't have any sovereignty over Bahrain any way.

vaaghean jaalebeh...vaase defaa az alaa hazrat shomaa haa haazerid be har kaari dast bezanid. Aziz jaan, Bahrainis DID HAVE iranian shenaasnaameh which they were forced to give up. Bahrainis were iranians and it was populated by iranians for over thousend years. Man nashnavam shomaa haa biaaid injaa daad bidaad konid age IR tombe abu mussaa o koochi o bozorgo daad be arabaa haa. Chon hich farghi nemikone. Bahrain was irans territory that mamad reza just gave up on be khaatere khod shirini vaaseh ingilisiaa. He should never have had accept to give up bahrain. Period.

 

[DireStraits]

Moshiri's critic is that because of Arabs imigration to Bahrain the majority of people who lived in Bahrain were Arabs. If Iranians imigrated to Bahrain Arabs were not majority and Iran could claim Bahrain. Shah or Ghajar should have known Bahrain is a rich part of Iran which we were losing. However I diagree with him that shah could have objected to Bahrains independence once it was too late

 

[Motori]

vaaghean jaalebeh...vaase defaa az alaa hazrat shomaa haa haazerid be har kaari dast bezanid. Aziz jaan, Bahrainis DID HAVE iranian shenaasnaameh which they were forced to give up. Bahrainis were iranians and it was populated by iranians for over thousend years. Man nashnavam shomaa haa biaaid injaa daad bidaad konid age IR tombe abu mussaa o koochi o bozorgo daad be arabaa haa. Chon hich farghi nemikone. Bahrain was irans territory that mamad reza just gave up on be khaatere khod shirini vaaseh ingilisiaa. He should never have had accept to give up bahrain. Period.

*oon e laghgh e aalaa hazrat ki daareh azesh defaa' mikoneh? man goftam shomaa yek Ostaandaar Irani keh baa'd az tassarof e bahrain dar saal e 1783 tavvasoteh Engelishaa keh dar bahrain hokm mikaredeh naam bebarid. Yaa aslan har kas e Irani keh dar oon jazireh ostaandaar boodeh naam bebarid..

During Shah Abbaas reign Iran had sovereignty right over Bahrain for short period of time who got island back from Portuguese, who captured them from arab khalifats. Then in Ghaajaar era Brits got it from them and mounted an arab khalifat in there till today. We did not have any ruling before Portuguese or after Brits what so ever. (Excluding before arab invasion of Iran of course)..

 

[Hassan1980]

If i remember correctly the Bahrainis wanted to seperate from Iran and there was a referendum about this.

 

[ChaharMahal]

unfortunately the documentary record on this matter is rather poor.

Since Everything in Iran was run through the Court and not necessarily through Foreign Ministry or PrimeMinister's office we really do not have much documentation
on the negotiations.

We basically just have mostly anecdotal reminiscing by folks who worked in Iran's Foreign Ministry at the time.

 

[ChaharMahal]

If i remember correctly the Bahrainis wanted to seperate from Iran and there was a referendum about this.

That's Mostly True but Iran could have presumably done a better job so the government coming in Power over there was not so hostile toward Iran and so rather friendly toward Saudi Arabia.

I think we generally can say that the Bahrain Fiasco did not reflect the best in Iranian foreign policy Prowess. You could draw a very similar parallel to the Current ongoing Caspian negotiations.

 

[DireStraits]

That's Mostly True but Iran could have presumably done a better job so the government coming in Power over there was not so hostile toward Iran and so rather friendly toward Saudi Arabia.

.

Isn't this something they can do today aswell. Try to influence Bahrain from inside.

 

[keyvan_pars]

جدا شدن بحرین از ایران از بیعرضگی قجرها بود و ناتوانی محمد رضا شاه که نتوانست
جلوی رسمی شدن جدایی بحرین را بگیرد
ایران در دوران قاجار مخصوصا ان اواخر و در دوران پهلوی حرفی برای گفتن نداشت که شما امده اید الان شاه را محکوم می کنید که بحرین را داد به فلان کسک
بحرین در واقع قبل از به رسمیت شناختش جدا از ایران بود ال خلیفه انجا حکومت می کرد
قرن ها قبل از ال خلیفه هم حکامی مستقل داشته هرچند که در برخی دوران این حکام از حکومت ایران پیروی می کردند ولی در مقاطعی مستقل بودند حتی از شبهه جزیره عرب
مثلا زمانی که عیونیون و بعد از ان ال العصفور که در انجا حکومت می کردند مذهب انها کاملا مخالف مذهب جزیره العرب بوده
برای خودشان سکه می زندند و حکومت مستقلی داشته اند
سالها قبل از اینکه استقلال پیدا کند برای خودشان پول چاپ می کردند و حکومتی مستقل داشتند روی سکه های خود می نوشتند حکومت البحرین
اینطور نبوده که مثلا بحرین مثل بوشهر و بندر عباس یا خرمشهر جزو ایران بوده و از حکومت مرکزی پیروی میکرده
الان بعضی ها چنان از رژیم گذشته ایراد می گیرند که بحرین را دا د به انگلیس که انگار بحرین زیر نفوذ ایران بود
ولی به نظر من اشتباه شاه این بود که بحرین را به رسمیت شناخت
البته که او زیر فشار بوده ولی می بایستی می امد و می گفت پارلمان ایران بحرین را یک کشور مستقل از ایران نمی داند
خلاصه به شکلی جریان پیش می رفت که اگر ما در اینده می خواستیم ادعا کنیم بحرین جزوی از خاک ماست با
ادعای اینکه ان را برسمیت شناختیم روبرو نشویم

manzooret az taatavaani mohamad reza shah chiyeh?
yani be zoor baa artesh va khoon rizi bahrain ro ESHGHAAL mikard. hamoon tori ke america yee haa bezoor aragh ro eshghaal kardan ?

faghat baladi do roo va posht e pardeh harf bezani.

badesh baayad chikaar mikard bezoor ghafghaazo az soviet union pas migereft ????

 

[General Parsaian]

manzooret az taatavaani mohamad reza shah chiyeh?
yani be zoor baa artesh va khoon rizi bahrain ro ESHGHAAL mikard. hamoon tori ke america yee haa bezoor aragh ro eshghaal kardan ?

faghat baladi do roo va posht e pardeh harf bezani.

badesh baayad chikaar mikard bezoor ghafghaazo az soviet union pas migereft ????

جناب
منظور از ناتوانی ایشان این است که ایران قدرت سیاسی نداشت که بخواهد با جدایی بحرین مخالفت کند
به همین خاطر شاه یک رفراندم را پیشنهاد کرد
و همانطور که گفتم اصلا بحرین صدها سال بود که عملا از حکم دولت ایران جدا شده بود و فقط یک اسم مانده بود

 

[keyvan_pars]

جناب
منظور از ناتوانی ایشان این است که ایران قدرت سیاسی نداشت که بخواهد با جدایی بحرین مخالفت کند
به همین خاطر شاه یک رفراندم را پیشنهاد کرد
و همانطور که گفتم اصلا بحرین صدها سال بود که عملا از حکم دولت ایران جدا شده بود و فقط یک اسم مانده بود

ghodrat e sisasi nadasht ke bekhahad mokhalefat konad vali badesh neveshti:

'nabayad be rasmiyat mishnakht?'

magar maraz dasht be rasmiyat nashnaseh?
magar mesle akhound haa divaan e bood ke hamash baes jaraghe haaye mantaghe-i va khoon rizi bashad ?

mibini do pahloo harf mizani.

belakhareh bayad chikaar mikard be nazare to?

mesle yek bacheye koochak e nonor khodesho loos mikard va esteghlaal yek khak ke roosh por e arab bood ra ba hokoomat e arab haa be rasmiyat nemishnaakht ???

 

[Chinaski]

*oon e laghgh e aalaa hazrat ki daareh azesh defaa' mikoneh? man goftam shomaa yek Ostaandaar Irani keh baa'd az tassarof e bahrain dar saal e 1783 tavvasoteh Engelishaa keh dar bahrain hokm mikaredeh naam bebarid. Yaa aslan har kas e Irani keh dar oon jazireh ostaandaar boodeh naam bebarid..

During Shah Abbaas reign Iran had sovereignty right over Bahrain for short period of time who got island back from Portuguese, who captured them from arab khalifats. Then in Ghaajaar era Brits got it from them and mounted an arab khalifat in there till today. We did not have any ruling before Portuguese or after Brits what so ever. (Excluding before arab invasion of Iran of course)..

Na koone laghe alaa hazrat nist. Ino mano to khoob midoonim ke age Bahrain ro be hamin shekli ke shah be onvaane baaj azash gozasht, IR azash mishkast, to o va kheyli haa dige injaa gheshgheregh be paa mikardid. Dige maa haa hamdigaro mishnaasim laazem nist khodemoono siaah konim. Shah age azarbaijan ro ham midaad, injaa ye seri miyoomadan vaasash dalil peydaa mikardan o tojihesh mikardan.

I have been to the island of Corsica three times. Corsica is a french island but the people are not french. They are old ligurians, their language is an italic language and is absolutely similar to italian. These islanders though have always fought for their independence. They fought the italians to become independent and then the italians sold them to the french and and since then they have been fighting the french government to become independent or at least to be an authonomy region with more rights which they have achieved after decades of bloody gurillia wars, killings and assasination of governeurs forced upon them from the central french government until they decided to givt it a rest and let them be ruled by their own corsican governeurs. So these people dont have anything to do with france, even historically they have never been french or celtic but ligurians who settled over from the italian plateau so they are actually by far more italian than french but you will have to nuke france before they give up on this island because no matter what, its part of their country. Its a matter of national prestige and credibility.

what ever you tell me to make this move look understandable doesnt count at all and is more or less defaa az alaa hazrat. Bahrain was part of iran and shah just betrayed the country and its integrity by not only letting them go easily but also to recognize them after all they did to iranian people on that island including to force them to throw away their iranian shenaas naameh.

Look at our turkish neighbours. Baba 1974 torkiye bekhaatere tajaavoz va dekhaalati ke dolate yoonan too ghebres kard raft vaase ye mosht sango koolookh kolle shomaale ghebres ro be zoor az daste yoonaaniaa gereft. Cheraa? Chon 20% jamiyat tork boodan va torkiye nemikhaast be oon 20% az tarafe yoonaani haa zolm beshe. Arzesh ghaael shod vaase mellat o arzi ke roosh tork zendegi mikard. Oonvaght maa bahrain ro taghdim mikonim va in ro ham bedoon oon 3 taa jazirye khalife fars az dast raftan. Inaa barnaamasho chidan va jazire haa ro ham daadan faghat elaam nemikonan. Bazi vaghtaa aadam baayad be khaatere mellat o khaak o mamlekatesh khaaye neshoon bedeh, bejangeh, istaadegi koneh, khodesho be khatar bendaazeh. Inkaar na too khoone rezaa paalaani bood na too khoone pesaaresh. In mollaah haa ham fardaa pas fardaa gand kaarishoon too jaryaane in 3 taa jazire roo misheh.

 

[Motori]

Na koone laghe alaa hazrat nist. Ino mano to khoob midoonim ke age Bahrain ro be hamin shekli ke shah be onvaane baaj azash gozasht, IR azash mishkast, to o va kheyli haa dige injaa gheshgheregh be paa mikardid. Dige maa haa hamdigaro mishnaasim laazem nist khodemoono siaah konim. Shah age azarbaijan ro ham midaad, injaa ye seri miyoomadan vaasash dalil peydaa mikardan o tojihesh mikardan.

I have been to the island of Corsica three times. Corsica is a french island but the people are not french. They are old ligurians, their language is an italic language and is absolutely similar to italian. These islanders though have always fought for their independence. They fought the italians to become independent and then the italians sold them to the french and and since then they have been fighting the french government to become independent or at least to be an authonomy region with more rights which they have achieved after decades of bloody gurillia wars, killings and assasination of governeurs forced upon them from the central french government until they decided to givt it a rest and let them be ruled by their own corsican governeurs. So these people dont have anything to do with france, even historically they have never been french or celtic but ligurians who settled over from the italian plateau so they are actually by far more italian than french but you will have to nuke france before they give up on this island because no matter what, its part of their country. Its a matter of national prestige and credibility.

what ever you tell me to make this move look understandable doesnt count at all and is more or less defaa az alaa hazrat. Bahrain was part of iran and shah just betrayed the country and its integrity by not only letting them go easily but also to recognize them after all they did to iranian people on that island including to force them to throw away their iranian shenaas naameh.

Look at our turkish neighbours. Baba 1974 torkiye bekhaatere tajaavoz va dekhaalati ke dolate yoonan too ghebres kard raft vaase ye mosht sango koolookh kolle shomaale ghebres ro be zoor az daste yoonaaniaa gereft. Cheraa? Chon 20% jamiyat tork boodan va torkiye nemikhaast be oon 20% az tarafe yoonaani haa zolm beshe. Arzesh ghaael shod vaase mellat o arzi ke roosh tork zendegi mikard. Oonvaght maa bahrain ro taghdim mikonim va in ro ham bedoon oon 3 taa jazirye khalife fars az dast raftan. Inaa barnaamasho chidan va jazire haa ro ham daadan faghat elaam nemikonan. Bazi vaghtaa aadam baayad be khaatere mellat o khaak o mamlekatesh khaaye neshoon bedeh, bejangeh, istaadegi koneh, khodesho be khatar bendaazeh. Inkaar na too khoone rezaa paalaani bood na too khoone pesaaresh. In mollaah haa ham fardaa pas fardaa gand kaarishoon too jaryaane in 3 taa jazire roo misheh.

No! We don’t “ham digah ro mishnaasim” otherwise you wouldn’t pile me up with pro-Pahlavi group. First of all who said being pro-Pahlavi is a bad thing? Certainly it is far more patriotic than being a Toodehei, Hezbollahi, Cherik or even Mojaahed. If I was a pro-Pahlavi I would say so and certainly no need for you to go to that extend to prove I am one. Also we all need to concentrate on the message, attacking the messenger is an attempt to obfuscate the main point of discussion which is the ownership of Bahrain. It is not proven yet that we owned that island.

What I could be considered is “against anti-Pahlavi propaganda machine”. The same propaganda which was so effective and destiny altering which penetrated into the psych of Iranians in 1978 who believed nothing/no one will be worse than Shah so he must be toppled first then we’ll think about who is going to replace him/his system.

As you know and according to your own previous posts wrt this matter, in 1973 Shah sided with Anvar-al-Sadat during Yum Kippur war, in 1974 Shah openly and publically started opposing (in several occasions attacking) world Oil cartels, Jews and Israel, he claimed Brits and Americans are lazy and don’t like to work while trying to take Iranian oil for peanuts, That is when West with UK, US and France occupying the front row started the worldwide propaganda. Shah was a dictator but a weak dictator, a political flip flopper, one day he would say something and next day he would come up with something totally opposite, every decision maker around him were all confused specially during 1978 and 79. The west made a monster out of such a weak individual. Every famous person who died in Iran Shah killed him, Takhti, Sharyati, Mustafa Khomeini, Khatami, Taymoor Bakhtyar, Behrangi ……all were killed by Shah, he personally delivered “Teer e khalaas” to over 2200 political prisoners, he torched cinema Rex, he stole $22 billion of Iranian’s money. You might remember that they even printed a picture of Shah attending Gay Parade in Piccadilly Circle in London.

Bahrain fiasco is another attempt by anti-Pahlavi group to defame him. Bahrain was not ours that Island was gone 400 years before him, but Shah used Bahrain as a pretext for occupying Tunbs and Abumosa. Iran actually landed marines and Navy in those islands, fight broke out and bunch of people got killed. Could Shah do the same against Royal Navy? Look at Argentina 8000 miles away.

I personally rather have those 3 islands than Bahrain, ownership of Bahrain would only add to our oil income but strategically those 3 islands put Iran in complete control of shipping lanes getting in and out of Persian Gulf.
If you check the maps you will see that incoming ships will have to sail between Iranian shores and north of Tunb e Koochek and Tunb e Bozorg and outgoing ships will have to sail between north of Abumosa and south of Tunbs, both inside Iranian littoral waters. Now! IRR might not be able to manipulate this advantage but how about future Iran?

 

[Chinaski]

As you know and according to your own previous posts wrt this matter, in 1973 Shah sided with Anvar-al-Sadat during Yum Kippur war, in 1974 Shah openly and publically started opposing (in several occasions attacking) world Oil cartels, Jews and Israel, he claimed Brits and Americans are lazy and don’t like to work while trying to take Iranian oil for peanuts, That is when West with UK, US and France occupying the front row started the worldwide propaganda. Shah was a dictator but a weak dictator, a political flip flopper, one day he would say something and next day he would come up with something totally opposite, every decision maker around him were all confused specially during 1978 and 79. The west made a monster out of such a weak individual. Every famous person who died in Iran Shah killed him, Takhti, Sharyati, Mustafa Khomeini, Khatami, Taymoor Bakhtyar, Behrangi ……all were killed by Shah, he personally delivered “Teer e khalaas” to over 2200 political prisoners, he torched cinema Rex, he stole $22 billion of Iranian’s money. You might remember that they even printed a picture of Shah attending Gay Parade in Piccadilly Circle in London.

??? Moshgeli chizi vaasat pish oomadeh?! In jafangiaat chiye be khorde man midi?

This thing is easy. Bahrain was under iranian control, iranians lived there and shah just gave it away. To have something to compare i gave you some examples of other nations and how they would handle similar situations. Khob pedar jaan, kheyli raahat begoo khoshet nemiaad esme shah khadshe daar she, manam vel mikonam jaryaano. Vali in jafangiaato say nakon be khordam bedi. A good, real nationalistic government, fights even for a piece of stone of his country no matter if its disputed or not. As i said, Corsica has never been french, their people are speaking a language very very similar to italian, racially they are italians and they dont want to be french now try to lure them away from france. Good luck with that.

Turkey invaded northern cyprus although 80% of its population were greek. They just came in to protect those 20% turks from the hostile greek majority. Thats the way to go. 'You HAVE to do it because this is the only way to send a message to every one else that there is no negotiation on part of your soil or even a soil where your people are living on. You have to show guts in such situations. You guys are trying to dig and come up with some real fishy explanations just to find excuses for gand kaariye alaa hazrat. Pedar jaan, man kaar haaye khoobe shah ro az khodet behtar midoonam vali nemidoonam cheraa baayad kaar haaye na chandaan khoobesham berim ghaab begirim o aab talaa bezanim?!