Signs Mousavi's rebel stature being eroded in Iran

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CAIRO – Mir Hossein Mousavi is still nominally the guiding force of the fury over Iran's disputed election. But there are ample signs his rebel stature is being eroded by his hesitation to shift from campaigner to street agitator as his supporters challenge security forces.

The questions over Mousavi's standing are part of a larger debate over the direction of the unprecedented assault on Iran's Islamic leadership.

The size of the demonstrations has fallen sharply since Mousavi led hundreds of thousands through Tehran last week over claims of vote rigging in the June 12 presidential election. At the same time, the growing threats and firepower from security forces leave little doubt that authorities are prepared to strike back hard.

A gathering of about 200 people on Monday was quickly broken up by tear gas and shots fired into the air. On Tuesday, protesters retreated to much milder methods: honking car horns, chanting from rooftops and holding up posters denouncing the crackdown and alleged vote fraud. It gave the clear impression of authorities gaining the upper hand, at least for the moment. Crushing the protesters' spirits and ability to regroup would likely mean even greater rewards and power for Iran's Revolutionary Guard, the Islamic regime's main military muscle and backer of hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — and could put reformists under relentless pressure for years to come.

But it's still far too early to declare the opposition forces doomed. Protest organizers are appealing for another major rally, perhaps Thursday, in hopes of recapturing momentum and projecting their resolve. They also appear to be moving beyond Mousavi's specific call for a new election and widening their rage against the entire Islamic power structure.

What's still missing, however, are clear signals from Mousavi.

He left many followers bewildered with twin messages this week. He called on his backers to maintain the cries to annul the election results that showed a landslide victory for Ahmadinejad. But he also declared full respect for Iran's Islamic system and even described as "our brothers" the pro-regime militias who have beaten demonstrators and been blamed by protesters for gunning down marchers last week.

Other indications point to a drift away from Mousavi. The ribbons and banners of his "green wave" election campaign are much less conspicuous at recent marches and clashes. The chants are less about Mousavi's demand for a new election and more about general outrage toward the ruling establishment, including once unimaginable denunciations of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

It raises the prospect of Mousavi's movement fragmenting — with more militant branches breaking away from those adhering to Mousavi's call to fight within the system. Such a split could bring more confrontations, but leave the divided forces more vulnerable to crackdown and mass arrests.

"It's not really about Mousavi any more," said Ali Nader, an Iran specialist at the RAND Corp. "The population has expressed its unhappiness with the system. You could argue that Iran has reached the point where the population has said: `Enough is enough.'"

Mousavi has had a split persona from the outset.

He has always been an insider: He served as prime minister through most of the 1980s as the new Islamic state struggled for footing while fighting a horrific war against Iraq.

But shortly into the campaign, the 67-year-old Mousavi became the unlikely champion of Iran's young and liberal voters who were desperately looking for a rising star.

It was an odd match. Mousavi lacked the charisma and grand visions the pro-reform voters craved. Still, he was their best shot at winning.
"An accidental hero," said Rasool Nafisi, a professor of Iran studies at Strayer University in Virginia.

"He really doesn't have the credentials to be the leader for the reformists or for the opposition," he added. "Even up to the election, Iranian intellectuals and political leaders did not support him, except one or two like (former President Mohammad) Khatami."

The grumbling appears now to be spreading among those who voted for Mousavi and then took to the streets in the most serious internal unrest since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.


"People have risked their lives for him and some have died," said a protester in Tehran contacted by phone by The Associated Press. She withheld her name for fear of reprisals from authorities. "Is he our leader? I want to say yes. But I really don't know how to answer that now."

Mousavi says he only wants to rattle the country's Islamic rulers, not take them down. In messages posted on his Web site in recent days, he groped for some common ground in a nation increasingly polarized.

He vowed to stand by the protesters "at all times," but set some boundaries — saying he would "never allow anybody's life to be endangered because of my actions."

Mousavi then called the feared Revolutionary Guard and their volunteer militia corps, the Basij, "our brothers" and "protectors of our revolution and regime."

Mousavi has appeared rarely in public, but he remains in contact with key advisers and others through phone calls, Internet messages and meetings, aides say. Iranian authorities have tried to block most pro-Mousavi Web sites and have blacked out mobile text messages, which were used to spread the word about rallies and other activities.

At a hastily called news conference late Monday, Mousavi repeated his calls for nonviolent demonstrations and predicted that Ahmadinejad will eventually be removed from office — even though the chances for a new election were effectively closed by the powerful Guardian Council, which is closely aligned to the supreme leader.

"I won't give up. There is no way back," Mousavi told reporters.

In Rome, a prominent Mousavi supporter, Iranian filmmaker Mohsen Makhmalbaf, said Mousavi is now "voiceless" because of the clampdown on the Internet and other communications networks.

"What he is saying is to carry on with the fight with the least possible number of victims," said Makhmalbaf. "But he asks people to be in the streets by day and on roofs by night chanting slogans."

___ Associated Press Writer William J. Kole in Cairo contributed to this report.
 
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Mousavi is hesitating because a word from him may quickly result in a bloodbath for his supporters. You don't play politics with people's life. I think the important thing is that he keeps this fire going by various means (not just street protests), considering the costs involved.
 

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Mousavi is hesitating because a word from him may quickly result in a bloodbath for his supporters. You don't play politics with people's life. I think the important thing is that he keeps this fire going by various means (not just street protests), considering the costs involved.
Exactly.


And let's not forget all Arab countries and Israekl are cheering for AN. So, they love to hopefully disappoint people with an article here and there.
 
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Believe it or not, this revolution is a great source of entertainment and excitement for many of these reporters, writers and media people. They don't like to see days where no one gets killed or protests don't turn violent. To them, the more eventful a day in Iran is, the less they have to work to fill up their pages.

Iran's revolution is on the right path and is far from being eroded.
 

ashtar

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Exactly.


And let's not forget all Arab countries and Israel are cheering for AN. So, they love to hopefully disappoint people with an article here and there.
Israel PM salutes Iran protests, deplores violence
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLN829372

Israeli president applauds Iran street protesters
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gWi9hJXmHRyYjNwd_IH3RL3abpkwD98V0D6O0

Iran turmoil likely to benefit Israel
http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/iran_turmoil_likely_to_benefit_israel_20090622/


and more ...

 

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رييس موساد: وجود احمدی نژاد برای اسرائيل بهتر است
رادیو فردا : مئیر داگان، رییس موساد، سازمان اطلاعاتی اسرائیل، روز سه شنبه گفت: وجود دولت تندرو محمود احمدی نژاد در ايران، موجب خواهد شد که اسرائيل بتواند آسان تر تهديد اتمی ايران را برای جهانيان توجيه کند.

به نوشتۀ روزنامه «جروزالم پست»، داگان چند روز پس از اعلام انتخابات رياست جمهوری اسلامی، در برابر کميتۀ روابط خارجی و دفاع کنست، پارلمان اسرائيل سخن می گفت، محمود احمدی نژاد را يک فرد «تندرو و دگم» ناميد و تصريح کرد: «وجود چنين فردی در راس دولت جمهوری اسلامی، موقعيت اسرائيل را برای توجيه خطرها و تهديدهای اتمی ايران آسانتر خواهد کرد.»

وی با اين حال افزود: اسرائيلی ها نبايد فراموش کنند که برنامه های اتمی ايران در زمان نخست وزيری ميرحسين موسوی آغاز شد.

انتخابات رياست جمهوری ايران روز جمعه ۲۲ خرداد برگزار شد و طبق آمار وزارت کشور محمود احمدی نژاد توانسته است بيش از ۶۰ درصد آراء را به خود اختصاص دهد. اما به دنبال اعلام نتايج انتخابات و اعتراض نامزدهای اصلاح طلب درگيری هايی بين معترضان و نيروهای ضد شورش در تهران و برخی شهر رخ داده است.

رييس موساد در اظهار نظر پيرامون رويدادهای جاری در ايران گفت: «آنچه اهميت دارد، موضع رهبر حکومت ايران است که تغييری در آن ديده نمی شود. شورش ها تنها در تهران و يک منطقۀ ديگر روی می دهد و اين آشوب ها به يک انقلاب تمام عيار تبديل نخواهد شد.»

مئير داگان اظهار نظر کرد که خشونت برخاسته از اتهام تقلب در انتخابات تفاوتی با اختلاف های مشابه در ساير دمکراسی ها ندارد و بحث ها در ميان نخبگان ايران در اين زمينه، يک امر داخلی است.

روز دوشنبه صدها هزار نفر از معترضان به نتايج انتخابات به دعوت ميرحسين موسوی در تهران راهپيمايی مسالمت آميزی را برگزار کردند که در اثر تيراندازی به سوی تظاهرکنندگان هشت نفر کشته شدند.

برنامه هسته ای ايران

ریيس سازمان اطلاعاتی موساد درباره رويکرد ايران در مقابل جامعه بين المللی گفت: «جمهوری اسلامی از نزديک واکنش آمريکا به تهديد اخير کرۀ شمالی را دنبال می کند. اگر ايرانی ها دريابند که ايالات متحده قادر به غلبه بر کيم جونگ ايل، ديکتاتور کرۀ شمالی نيست، اين امر بر گفت و گو های آيندۀ با آمريکا تاثير خواهد گذاشت.»

به گفتۀ ریيس سازمان موساد، واشينگتن به ديپلماسی نرم در برابر جمهوری اسلامی روی آورده و حکومت تهران فکر می کند که سرانجام جهان نيز چنين رويکردی خواهد داشت.

به باور آقای داگان، جمهوری اسلامی ايران می خواهد در کسوت مصر سال های ۱۹۶۰ و ۱۹۷۰ جلوه کند و همکاری های گسترده ای بين ايران، کرۀ شمالی و سوريه صورت می گيرد.

ریيس موساد تاکيد کرد: انديشۀ تسليحات اتمی ايران، تهديدی برای موجوديت اسرائيل است و اين تهديد بايد از ميان برداشته شود.

اسرائيل همراه با کشورهای غربی ايران را متهم می کنند که در صدد دستيابی به سلاح هسته ای است. اين در حالی است که ايران با رد اين اتهام می گويد برنامه هسته ای اين کشور در راستای توليد انرژی است.​
 

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تجمع اعتراضی صلح آميز در راستای محکوميت تقلب در انتخابات، زندانی کردن معترضين و فعالين سياسی و کشتارِ بی رحمانه مردم: فردا، چهارشنبه، ساعت 16:30، در پنج ميدان شهر تهران: ميدان ونک، ميدان تجريش، ميدان صادقيه...(دو ميدان ديگر فردا ساعت 3 بعد از ظهر اعلام خواهد شد.) حضوری آرام داشته باشيد و از درگيری و شعارهای تحريک آميز اجتناب نماييد
 
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nourizadeh mentioned that mousavi and karoobi are planing an event in front of majeles. anyone has heard of it?
Yes this is being circulated around a lot. I honestly expect Mousavi and Karoubi's camp to be a bit more creative in their communications. What the hell is this?

If they can afford to risk their lives and join demonstrations, they can surely come up with more reliable ways of communicating with millions of people.

Khomeini in exile was more communicative than these guys! Come on!
 

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Yes this is being circulated around a lot. I honestly expect Mousavi and Karoubi's camp to be a bit more creative in their communications. What the hell is this?

If they can afford to risk their lives and join demonstrations, they can surely come up with more reliable ways of communicating with millions of people.

Khomeini in exile was more communicative than these guys! Come on!
yeah I am pretty sure they are under limmitations. they probabely only allow them out once in a while to prove they are alive.
 

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First, as I said before do not expect every day people in Tehran march against the rabid dogs of Vali Vaghih unleashed on them armed with knife, baton, tear gas, Tazer, and live amunition with license to kill and injure as many as they can. Don't forget murder of Neda was a planned execution to tell Iranians if you march we will intentionally target you.

Also let's not lose sign of this fact that Militarist religous fascists plunders have been arresting Activists, Jouirnalist, Party members, Writers, all Intelectuals by dozens not to mention hundreds of protesters every day.

Is that because Mousavi's supporters are eroding? absolutely not.

Even today, there have been demonstartion in Kerman, Kermanshah, Isfahan and hundreds of other cities not as well equipped to report outside the country.


So, if you see the militarist religous fascists start releasing prisoners rather than arresting a few dozens a day, if you see communication, twitter, internet, papers are start activities again rather than being censored or shut down more and more, if you see doors are being open to foreign journalist and mass media rather than cancel their visas and throwing them out every day, then you may start thinking maybe we should be looking for reasons.
Not by the longest shot. This is just the begining. Be patient and persistant in your demands, your right, your country.
 
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While the Israelis do support the protests, it is in their best interests for AN to win. They would have a harder time to build a case for needing better defense against Iran if Moussavi won, let alone strike the country. AN gives them someone to target, a man to point to as a madman for reason to fear.

The chief of Mossad said just the same thing a few days ago. Go google it.
 

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I know it's easier said than done, but don't you think, Mosavi hasn't got the "KICKS" as a leader/director to give out on these very sensetive times/ days? Pepole are in need encouraging words, to keep this movement going. He's got to be braver and somehow come out
 

Zob Ahan

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I know it's easier said than done, but don't you think, Mosavi hasn't got the "KICKS" as a leader/director to give out on these very sensetive times/ days? Pepole are in need encouraging words, to keep this movement going. He's got to be braver and somehow come out
Yeah? And your suggestions? Throw himself off Borje Milad?
 

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The biggest problem is that he is essentially under house arrest. No means communication with the outside world. The fact the they block internet, drop cellphone communication doesnt help either. What is he meant to do exaclty?

The biggest challenge I see is that apart from Mousavi and Karoubi there is noone else to lead. I'm not talking about a big figure like them they need leaders among protesters to organise the marches.

Although it has quiet down a bit I don't see the end of this anytime soon. Although I was less 2 years old to remember anything from 79. The unrest started around 78 and it took a full to get into full swing. So I think this struggle will take longer than 2 weeks. People will find way other than internet and phone to communicate and organise the movement. I really don't think it's over yet.

Bear in mind, Mousavi and Karoubi are botth still alive and not arrested yet. The dilemma IR will have is if or when they arrest them or attempt to murdur them, people will be even more angrier than now. It wont an easy task.

We shall see but I'm still hopeful over the next year we will see some huge events occuring in Iran. We still haven't seen the full force strike happening. We only saw the gimplse of it yesterday. Once some stop going to work or close down others will follow suit. Again same thing happen during 79.

So stay hopeful and just support our brothers and sisters in Iran.
 
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Can't really blame Mousavi so far ! He doesn't want it to get more bloody and i don'T blame him ! I am sure they are planning something , all i know is they shouldnt and woulndt react with emotion , plus consider as some said some limitation , losing over 100 innocent people in last 2 weeks or more already , make them think twice before doing anything ..
 
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There is no way Mousavi is under house-arrest. Mousavi and Karoubi are most likely under Rafsanjani's protection in an undisclosed location. How do you think they've managed to show up at the marches 3 times already?

Mousavi should start recording videos. That's the most reliable way of addressing people. For God's sake, even Bin Laden does it!!!
 
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It is not just about reaching his supporters. I think he is worried about further bloodshed and is looking for other ways for protest at the moment.