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I don't really know what happened to Korean football in the past 10 years. They had clearly escaped the stigma of Asian football and had ascended to much higher levels, but something went wrong. Was it cultural? Infrastructural? Or did they simply move too fast?
They will make a come back. A big one. This is not a real representation of what Korea has to offer.
They will make a come back. A big one. This is not a real representation of what Korea has to offer.
They had luck when they were bad and, bad luck when they were good.
For example their 1990 and 1994 teams were actually really good but they just couldn't mesh. Where as in 2002 everything they needed to go right happened for them (on top of shambolic reffing).
Their 2006 and 2010 teams were also quite solid.
Even at their worst they still do good for Asian standards - just watch them qualify directly for World Cup 2018 (I think they will beat us in Seoul).
This qualifying tournament is an outlier.
For example their 1990 and 1994 teams were actually really good but they just couldn't mesh. Where as in 2002 everything they needed to go right happened for them (on top of shambolic reffing).
Their 2006 and 2010 teams were also quite solid.
Even at their worst they still do good for Asian standards - just watch them qualify directly for World Cup 2018 (I think they will beat us in Seoul).
This qualifying tournament is an outlier.
Precisely. That's why I think they're easily above all other Asian teams even when everything is going terribly for them.
The shambolic refereeing of that shameful tournament in 2002 (I don't consider it a real WC) aside, they were actually playing way above anything Asia has ever produced or is producing. I think as money entered their football in the form of investment, capitalism slowly took over and the collective goal lost its importance. Agents are probably playing a bigger role than their federation or clubs.
Not sure, but this definitely isn't the real Korea. They're better than this.
The shambolic refereeing of that shameful tournament in 2002 (I don't consider it a real WC) aside, they were actually playing way above anything Asia has ever produced or is producing. I think as money entered their football in the form of investment, capitalism slowly took over and the collective goal lost its importance. Agents are probably playing a bigger role than their federation or clubs.
Not sure, but this definitely isn't the real Korea. They're better than this.
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International football is being killed - not because its lower quality or time consuming, but rather because it doesn't make enough money for middle men and money launderers.
Club football right now is about a mafia of agents, their "products" and various owners who clean money for criminals, dictators and real estate mafiosos worldwide.
It used to be trendy to hate on international football - now its shockingly cleaner than club football.
Sort of like volleyball in Iran compared to football in Iran!
Back to South Korea specifically - talking to their fans - their federation has gone very cheap and so have their clubs - they don't want to spend money on good coaching and they care less about youth development. They also have the sarbazi issue too.
As you said though, they have the pedigree and even at their worst still do very well.
Japan is running into this issue as well. In 2014 I expected them to possibly get into the QFs, in the end they were probably the worst performing Asian team on the field. And even now they are struggling.
Right now in international football...
1. Germany.
2. Brazil.
3-20 - A mix of Conmebol and UEFA teams.
21-60 - a bunch of decent but not great teams
61-end - everyone else.
International football is being killed - not because its lower quality or time consuming, but rather because it doesn't make enough money for middle men and money launderers.
Club football right now is about a mafia of agents, their "products" and various owners who clean money for criminals, dictators and real estate mafiosos worldwide.
It used to be trendy to hate on international football - now its shockingly cleaner than club football.
Sort of like volleyball in Iran compared to football in Iran!
Back to South Korea specifically - talking to their fans - their federation has gone very cheap and so have their clubs - they don't want to spend money on good coaching and they care less about youth development. They also have the sarbazi issue too.
As you said though, they have the pedigree and even at their worst still do very well.
Japan is running into this issue as well. In 2014 I expected them to possibly get into the QFs, in the end they were probably the worst performing Asian team on the field. And even now they are struggling.
Right now in international football...
1. Germany.
2. Brazil.
3-20 - A mix of Conmebol and UEFA teams.
21-60 - a bunch of decent but not great teams
61-end - everyone else.
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It's a rule of thumb in football, since the day 1 and since those Sailor got off their boats and introduce football to the people of Uruguay and Argentina over 100 years ago, National teams need Golden generation . so what happened to Korean ,Japanese, France, Spain , Poland , etc, return no answer ,..
Here is a list of Once they used to have golden generation but look at them now .....
Portugal 2000-2006
Italy 1998- 2006
Nigeria 1994-1998
France 1998- 2006 maybe better than others in the list
Spain 2008-2012
Hungary – 1950-1956
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It's a rule of thumb in football, since the day 1 and since those Sailor got off their boats and introduce football to the people of Uruguay and Argentina over 100 years ago, National teams need Golden generation . so what happened to Korean ,Japanese, France, Spain , Poland , etc, return no answer ,..
Here is a list of Once they used to have golden generation but look at them now .....
Portugal 2000-2006
Italy 1998- 2006
Nigeria 1994-1998
France 1998- 2006 maybe better than others in the list
Spain 2008-2012
Hungary – 1950-1956
UAE host KSA today. The game that is of great importance not just for those two but for Japan and Australia. UAE's only hope of finishing third (or even second) is to win today. There have been usual rumors of match fixing to ensure Saudi's qualification. Very interesting group as 4 teams are still in the run:
Japan 17, KSA and Australia 16, UAE 10
UAE - KSA, Japan-Australia
Iraq-UAE, Australia-Thailand, KSA-Japan
Japan 17, KSA and Australia 16, UAE 10
UAE - KSA, Japan-Australia
Iraq-UAE, Australia-Thailand, KSA-Japan
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I cant find in any way, shape or form UAE can qualify
it's 1 in 10000000000000000000 .
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I cant find in any way, shape or form UAE can qualify
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If the difference is based on goals and not facing each other then they literally have no chance of matching that goal difference even with 2 wins. But the game is still super important and should be good as where its a neck to neck race for 1-3 as where Japan and Aussies are playing this week and on the last day Saudi will play Japan and Australia plays Thailand in an easier match. So Saudi, Japan, Australia still have everything on line as one of them (Hopefully Saudi) will be going into 3rd spot and will play South Korea preferably in my opinion.
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