First you talk about the generality in people being raped:
"it's not because they are worried that women get raped at the stadium.. women are getting raped in Iran, and they are not at the stadium.. Women are getting raped in America and there are no mullahs here"
Now you are saying this is a specific case. Well what makes this case so specific? They were men, celebrating, in a group. What about that situation should make a woman fear of being raped?
People blame themselves for things they could not logically safeguard. My mum blamed herself for my aunt's death because she had successful lap-band surgery, which made my aunt want to get it too and unfortunately for hers she died. Is it logical for my mum to blame herself? Get real.
Stop appealing to her crew's sense of guilt. It's pathetic.
If it was so prevalent that she should have known, she would have known. And what more, there were other women in that crowd that weren't raped - in fact, they were the ones that saved her. How do you explain this?
So you are saying that men celebrating in groups, in Egypt, usually leads to rape - or enough so that one should expect rape to happen. Do you actually hear yourself?
Listen, I understand that rape happens, and that there are piece of shit men...but you are making a big stretch here. Who rapes people out in the open and who else joins in? It's not a common phenomena.
The men had complete control of their faculties. It wasn't a drunken orgy. Now you are equating elation with being drunk. So women should avoid all groups of men which are celebrating wildly...because who knows, you could be raped!
It's not the only thing.
See, you are stigmatising/generalising. It wasn't "crazy Egyptian men". Only a select few were crazy and we know that after the fact. On first sight it's just a big group of Egyptian men celebrating their revolution.
If my mother or sister wanted to go and celebrate, I see no reason why they can't; because unlike you I don't automatically think "here's a group of men, big chance of rape here". I'd be more worried of them getting lost in the crowd and pushed and shoved than thinking there's going to be a select few who are going to start ripping their clothes off.
Yes, "this way" in thinking like a rapist. If you had a family member or had some tragedy that makes you very sensitive to this issue I could fully understand your position. But in a logical point of view, generalising so much that every female should avoid a pack of celebrating men, is a stretch. As a man, I am insulted.
That's fine. But now you know I didn't misunderstand your position. I vehemently disagree with it.
"it's not because they are worried that women get raped at the stadium.. women are getting raped in Iran, and they are not at the stadium.. Women are getting raped in America and there are no mullahs here"
Now you are saying this is a specific case. Well what makes this case so specific? They were men, celebrating, in a group. What about that situation should make a woman fear of being raped?
People blame themselves for things they could not logically safeguard. My mum blamed herself for my aunt's death because she had successful lap-band surgery, which made my aunt want to get it too and unfortunately for hers she died. Is it logical for my mum to blame herself? Get real.
Stop appealing to her crew's sense of guilt. It's pathetic.
If it was so prevalent that she should have known, she would have known. And what more, there were other women in that crowd that weren't raped - in fact, they were the ones that saved her. How do you explain this?
So you are saying that men celebrating in groups, in Egypt, usually leads to rape - or enough so that one should expect rape to happen. Do you actually hear yourself?
Listen, I understand that rape happens, and that there are piece of shit men...but you are making a big stretch here. Who rapes people out in the open and who else joins in? It's not a common phenomena.
The men had complete control of their faculties. It wasn't a drunken orgy. Now you are equating elation with being drunk. So women should avoid all groups of men which are celebrating wildly...because who knows, you could be raped!
It's not the only thing.
See, you are stigmatising/generalising. It wasn't "crazy Egyptian men". Only a select few were crazy and we know that after the fact. On first sight it's just a big group of Egyptian men celebrating their revolution.
If my mother or sister wanted to go and celebrate, I see no reason why they can't; because unlike you I don't automatically think "here's a group of men, big chance of rape here". I'd be more worried of them getting lost in the crowd and pushed and shoved than thinking there's going to be a select few who are going to start ripping their clothes off.
Yes, "this way" in thinking like a rapist. If you had a family member or had some tragedy that makes you very sensitive to this issue I could fully understand your position. But in a logical point of view, generalising so much that every female should avoid a pack of celebrating men, is a stretch. As a man, I am insulted.
That's fine. But now you know I didn't misunderstand your position. I vehemently disagree with it.
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