US Complains As Russia Bombs its Terrorists

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TC : The New York Times in its recent article, “Russians Strike Targets in Syria, but Not ISIS Areas,” attempts to frame Russia’s recent actions in Syria as dishonest and dangerous. It reports:

Russian aircraft carried out a bombing attack against Syrian opposition fighters on Wednesday, including at least one group trained by the C.I.A., eliciting angry protests from American officials and plunging the complex sectarian war there into dangerous new territory.


This of course would only make Russia’s actions dishonest or dangerous if groups trained by the US CIA were in fact the “moderates” the US claims they are. However, they are not, and thus Russia’s actions are duly justified as is the expansion of their current policy.

There Are no Moderates, and There Never Were

For months now, after years of headlines confirming the US has been covertly arming militants in Syria for the purpose of overthrowing the government in Damascus, a narrative revolving around tens of thousands of these militants “defecting” to Al Nusra and the so-called “Islamic State” (ISIS/ISIL) has been peddled to the public by the Western media and US politicians to account for the apparent failure of America’s alleged policy of creating an army of “moderates” to both fight ISIS/Al Qaeda and the Syrian government.

In reality, from the beginning, there were never any moderates. Starting as early as 2007, years before the war in Syria began, the US as a matter of policy had long since decided to intentionally fund and support the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood – for all intents and purposes the political wing of Al Qaeda – and begin arming militants affiliated with Al Qaeda itself.

By 2011, Al Qaeda’s affiliates in Syria, most notably the Al-Nusrah Front, began operating nation-wide, taking the lead in the US-backed fight against Damascus. By 2012, when the US State Department listed Al Nusrah as a foreign terrorist organization, it was clear even then, that the largest contingent of anti-government forces on the battlefield was Al Qaeda.

It is clear that Al Qaeda was not only involved in the conflict since its beginning, but also led it. This betrays current US rhetoric that Al Qaeda had only entered the fight later on, seizing on the chaos created by “moderates” and their fight with Damascus. It is clear that it was Al Qaeda itself that drove that chaos from the beginning, and is still driving this chaos to this day.

The Rhetorical Pipeline

To explain how America’s fictional “moderate” army has been displaced on the battlefield in Syria by Al Qaeda and ISIS, the US claims that its multi-billion dollar nearly 5-year operation has suffered from massive defections.

The Guardian would report in its article, “Free Syrian Army rebels defect to Islamist group Jabhat al-Nusra,” that:

Syria’s main armed opposition group, the Free Syrian Army (FSA), is losing fighters and capabilities to Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist organisation with links to al-Qaida that is emerging as the best-equipped, financed and motivated force fighting Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

The International Business Times would report in its article, “Four Years Later, The Free Syrian Army Has Collapsed,” that:

The Nusra Front, aka Jabhat al-Nusra, has picked up thousands of men who once fought under the umbrella of the FSA during the past three years. It offers its soldiers hundreds of dollars a month in salary and food installments. The soldiers in the FSA did not receive any monthly stipend. When extremist groups such as the Nusra Front gained ground in Syria and received millions of dollars in cash and weapons from wealthy businessmen in the Gulf states and Libya, the moderate rebels “had no other choice,” Jarrah said. “They feel like they are cheated, so they join ISIS.”


The Daily Beast would report in its article, “Main U.S.-Backed Syrian Rebel Group Disbanding, Joining Islamists,” that:

The Syrian rebel group Harakat al-Hazm, one of the White House’s most trusted militias fighting President Bashar al-Assad, collapsed Sunday, with activists posting a statement online from frontline commanders saying they are disbanding their units and folding them into brigades aligned with a larger Islamist insurgent alliance distrusted by Washington.

Harakat al-Hazm would take with them to Al Qaeda and ISIS, millions of dollars worth of sophisticated US weapons, including US-made anti-tank TOW missiles.

The most recent US supported group, the fabled “Division 30,” has also allegedly defected to Al Qaeda – assuming they weren’t Al Qaeda militants from the beginning. The Telegraph in its article, “US-trained Division 30 rebels ‘betray US and hand weapons over to al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria’,” reported that:

Pentagon-trained rebels in Syria are reported to have betrayed their American backers and handed their weapons over to al-Qaeda in Syria immediately after re-entering the country.

Fighters with Division 30, the “moderate” rebel division favoured by the United States, surrendered to the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a raft of sources claimed on Monday night.


What this news, admitted to by the West itself, of these US-backed “moderates” joining Al Qaeda’s ranks by the thousands proves is that at the very least America’s policy of building up a moderate opposition has failed entirely. What documented evidence stretching back as far as 2007 proves is that the US had no intention of building up a moderate opposition in the first place, and news of “defections” are simply cover for the direct funding and arming of Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

At the very least, Russia bombing these groups either having already defected to Al Qaeda, or inevitably going to defect to Al Qaeda, is doing the Pentagon a favor.

Russia is Bombing Al Qaeda

This leads back to the most recent New York Times article. Russia is not arbitrarily bombing “moderates” backed by the US in Syria to stave off allegedly “legitimate” opposition to the government in Damascus – Russia is bombing terrorists who are either operating under the banner of Al Qaeda but are portrayed as otherwise by the US, or will inevitably end up turning their fighters and weapons over to Al Qaeda. Russia is bombing Al Qaeda.

The New York Times article would also claim:

“By supporting Assad and seemingly taking on everybody fighting Assad,” Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said Wednesday, Russia is “taking on the whole rest of the country that’s fighting Assad.” Some of those groups, he added, are supported by the United States and need to be part of a political resolution in Syria.


Indeed, Russia is undoubtedly bombing militants supported by the United States, but that is only because the United States has intentionally supported Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. At any time if the United States truly wanted to strike an irreparable blow at ISIS forces, it could simply seal off the Turkish border across which the summation of ISIS’ supplies, fighters, weapons, and vehicles flow. By securing the Turkish-Syrian border to the north, and the Jordanian-Syrian border in the south, the United States could strangle ISIS out of existence in a month, if not sooner.

That it has intentionally allowed ISIS supplies to flow out from under the nose of its allies and its own military forces stationed both in Jordan and in Turkey, indicates the the US at the very least is tacitly perpetuating the existence of ISIS – but most likely is actively involved in filling the trucks bound for ISIS in Syria as well.

US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter claims that the Russian position is “doomed,” in what appears to be a pledge by the United States to resist Moscow’s attempts to stamp out Al Qaeda groups in addition to taking on and eliminating ISIS.

Some might consider doubling down on a policy of backing terrorists that will inevitably be revealed to the world, and a policy that has thus far failed to topple the Syrian government , is a policy that is ultimately doomed.

And finally, it must be noted, for those still doubting ISIS is in fact an intentional creation of US foreign policy, that ISIS is now fighting the combined military forces of Syria, Iraq and now Russia. One must ask themselves who has the material resources, finances, and operational capacity to support a single army capable of taking on a coalition of this size. Where, if not from the US and its regional allies, is ISIS deriving the source of its fighting capacity?

Claiming to fight ISIS, while so transparently supporting them, is indeed a doomed position, one doomed to fail today, and one doomed to eternal condemnation in the future.
 
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Chinaski

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Russian Aerospace Forces' air strikes against ISIS targets in Syria. 8 targets hit, terrorist HQ & coordination center completely destroyed. Now can anyone tell me how was Russia able to destroy their whole HQ and coordination center in one single attack while those US SOBs who were spinning around, telling us lies about fighting ISIS could never bomb these targets during all those years of so called fight against them? lol. Na baba joon, ISIS is like all other islamist terrorist groups of the world a US backed group. The US have basically been busy bombing the positions of the poor iraqi army and the position of anyone who dared to attack the ISIS.

[video=youtube;jicO7vKflMc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jicO7vKflMc[/video]
 
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Of course the USA is going to complain because US military wants to be the heroes. The LAST thing they want is to see Russia destroy ISIS. They might tolerate Iran doing some things but Russia is the big thorn on USA's backside and vice versa so that is what all of that is about. Politics bazi baba. I know the Ruskies have their own interests, like Iran they want Assad to remain in power because let's face it, look at the alternative. I would not mind it one bit if the Russians take care of business with their AF/military.
 

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Of course the USA is going to complain because US military wants to be the heroes. The LAST thing they want is to see Russia destroy ISIS.
Yeah yeah, they had 5 years to destroy their own islamists and become a "hero". They basically could have just stayed away from creating ISIS. That would have been the best way to prevent the Russians from becoming "heros".
 

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Yeah yeah, they had 5 years to destroy their own islamists and become a "hero". They basically could have just stayed away from creating ISIS. That would have been the best way to prevent the Russians from becoming "heros".
True but now that this is not the case the US is going to continue to take jabs at Russia any chance they get and the Russians do it back. Now it's going to be ISIS race instead of the space race. This will be the new rivalry who can take out ISIS first will it be the Russians, the Iranians, the US, the Turks etc.
 

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You all are falling into the US trap who is intentionally talking up IR trying to make them look like a player. Not the IR nor the Turks have any power to decide anything. Both are servants with the only difference that the Turks at least are not hiding their agenda which is anti-assad and a major part of the US-NATO campaign against him. IR however are the sneaky multi faced shiite sucker as they have ever been. They declare themselves friends of Assad and call themselves in the same boat as Russia, on the other hand they send Anti-Assad Al Qaida fighters into Syria and Iraq to keep the fighting up and thus once again assisting the US and their strategy of war and ongoing tension in the region.
 

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You all are falling into the US trap who is intentionally talking up IR trying to make them look like a player. Not the IR nor the Turks have any power to decide anything. Both are servants with the only difference that the Turks at least are not hiding their agenda which is anti-assad and a major part of the US-NATO campaign against him. IR however are the sneaky multi faced shiite sucker as they have ever been. They declare themselves friends of Assad and call themselves in the same boat as Russia, on the other hand they send Anti-Assad Al Qaida fighters into Syria and Iraq to keep the fighting up and thus once again assisting the US and their strategy of war and ongoing tension in the region.
Well you bring up some fair points that I will address. First on Iran, yes they are very sneaky they are businessmen don't let the shia thing fool you that is there don't get me wrong but Iran is in the business of making money. The best way a country can make money is fund arms to different factions ie Assad's' army and rival groups Al Qaida or whomever pays them. Turkey is making no secrets about their plans now as for Russia, Kerry even stated he or US has no problems with Russia taking out ISIS. They however, will say something about it if they are funding certain opposition forces. One thing that changed is in on case Russia, USA and Iran all need Assad to remain in power there is that one common ground. They are all going to go about it in different ways but that is certain. Iran might fund to make money but if it really hits the wall they will try to assist Assad so will USA and Russia will also be on board.
 

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Free Syrian Army are not terrorists, Russia fights terrorists in Syria - Lavrov

[video=youtube;_JxhbbR9BPk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JxhbbR9BPk[/video]
 

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^^I don't think Russia is going to touch the Free Syrian Army that will be political suicide for them. Again US is fine with Russia going after ISIS and of course they are there to protect Assad.
 

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Of course the USA is going to complain because US military wants to be the heroes. The LAST thing they want is to see Russia destroy ISIS.

Again US is fine with Russia going after ISIS
These two sentences are written by you in one and the same thread and the time between these two posts has been very short. Pedar jaan, do you feel forced to take part in discussions like this? Really sherwin, quit this shit. You dont have it, you are just not into these stuff. Lets talk MSU football and stuff but quit getting yourself involved in all kinds of discussions where you constantly make people laugh.
 

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These two sentences are written by you in one and the same thread and the time between these two posts has been very short. Pedar jaan, do you feel forced to take part in discussions like this? Really sherwin, quit this shit. You dont have it, you are just not into these stuff. Lets talk MSU football and stuff but quit getting yourself involved in all kinds of discussions where you constantly make people laugh.
Dude I understand a thing or two about politics and I will discuss that now other things maybe I won't but come on man I think you are being a bit too harsh I can discuss it more and I usually post videos and articles so I really think this is unfounded. If people want to laugh they can go ahead and laugh. The real truth is none of us have the answer or can predict what is going to happen in Syria. There are multiple factors and regimes/governments at play. There was an article today on the LA Times that discussed the Russian airstrikes. Honestly dude I am rather disappointed because I never really dissed you that way man. If it comes to topics like I don't know Iranian politics that require farsi reading, ok then I won't say anything. Despite what you may think I don't just watch football I read the news and from different sources as well.
 

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مادر قحبه ها دارن میسوزن که چطور روسیه به خودش اجازه داده تروریست های اینا رو بمبارون کنه. خجالت نمیکشن این انگلو ساکسون ها. تو بی چشم و رویی همتا ندارن, بیخود نیست ملا های شیعه همیشه باب مزاجشون بودن, چون تو وقاحت شبیه همن. خار کسه ها مادر دنیا رو گاییدن, از کشور به کشور بدون دلیل و با استفاده از دروغ و قلدری لشکر کشیدن, چند کشور دنیا رو با خاک یکسان کردن, هرچی قانون بین المللی بوده رو زیر پا گذشتن, حالا این گوز انگلیسی اومده یه دفع دم از قانون بین المللی میزنه. کسانی که یک مشت جانی, یک مشت آدمخور رو بهشون اسلحه دادن, وارد خاک سوریه کردن و تا به امروز ازشون حمایت میکنن, دم از قوانین بین المللی میزنن. البته این اشغال جوابشو از کنسولگری روسیه تو لندن گرفت چون روسیه از اول تا آخر این جریان کاملا طبق قوانین بین المللی عمل کرده در صورتی که طرف مقابل مثل همیشه تمام اون قوانین رو زیر پا گذاشته. مشکل فقط اینه که اینا تو کف موندن که چطور روسیه ایندفه مثل دفعات قبل حاضر نیست پا پس بکشه و سوریه رو هم مثل عراق و لیبی به این حیوانات آمریکایی و اینگیلیسی واگذار کنه.

There is no moderate opposition to Assad, with moderate opposition the US, UK and all their allies always mean the their own Al Qaida, FSA, Nusra,..terrorists and most of them are not even syrians. They are hired mercenaries who the US and their allies have bought in north africa and central asia and brought to syria.