this is just fucked up...

مگه برای مسئولین کشور مهمه؟؟؟؟ یه روز هواپیما سقوط میکنه یه روز قطار از ریل خارج میشه یه روز روغن صنعتی میریزن تو شیر یه روز اختلاس میکنن یه روز دزدی میکنن؟!!!!!!! فقط خون مردم غزه و لبنان رنگین تر از مردم ماست
 

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مگه برای مسئولین کشور مهمه؟؟؟؟ یه روز هواپیما سقوط میکنه یه روز قطار از ریل خارج میشه یه روز روغن صنعتی میریزن تو شیر یه روز اختلاس میکنن یه روز دزدی میکنن؟!!!!!!! فقط خون مردم غزه و لبنان رنگین تر از مردم ماست
Sag berine be felestino o Israel

Koone laghe jofteshoon
 

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Alright, another 72 hour truce is in the offing, and Hamas has accepted it. I ask those (one?) who supported them for not extending the last one. WTF? In the span of a few days that they did not extend the ceasefire they helped get dozens more Palestinians killed, helped Israel destroy scores of buildings, including one of their beloved "mosques", and NOW they agree to a new ceasefire. . Why didn't you stick to the old one genius? Nothing tells the story better than this humble Gaza resident after they broke the last ceasefire or at least didn't want to continue it.

"In Gaza, some families who had returned to their homes in the northern town of Beit Hanoun during the ceasefire gathered their belongings and headed back to the United Nations shelters where they had sought refuge over the past few weeks.

Beit Hanoun resident Yamen Mahmoud, a 35-year-old father of four, said: "Today I am fleeing again. I am not against resistance but we need to know what to do. Is it war or peace?"
 
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Very Excellently put. One of their main point is opening up a port that they were promised 5 times since 1999. They bombed it when it was being built after 1999. Israel uses the excuse of disarmament of Gaza as the reason. Although, the option of International monitoring has always been there.

Israel is hoping the people of Gaza will leave. This way they can take the 4 billions dollars oil that is there in bonus to take more lands away.

They have been able to achieve their goal of ethnic cleansing for decades and continue doing so. And having committed several massacres and decades of hardship, they scream we are the victims. We are the victims.

There is no backwards. It is what happened: ceasefire was agreed to while there were to be negotiations. The negotiations ended as Israel refused to meet any concessions.

It's a psychological tactic to depress the oppressed. Israel turns their homes into rubble then agrees to a ceasefire to negotiate. While there is war going on the Palestinians will concentrate on getting to their aim - a sovereign settlement - but once the ceasefire happens without any concessions being made the people are left looking at the debris of what used to be their homes and lives. They'll either leave (and the Israelis have even said they'd help them relocate) or stop protesting the illegal Israeli occupation in the meantime. In any event, it keeps the status quo or enables Israel to get more of Gaza.



Blaming the deaths of the civilians on Hamas? You're pretty warped mate. You probably would have cheered on the Nazis too (as long as the Republicans were on their side at the time, I guess). Current tally of deaths:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
Palestinians: 1396 civilians (222 women, 418 children); 217 militants; 277 unknown role
Israelis: 3 civilians; 65 soldiers
 
Feb 22, 2005
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You keep on discussing this conflict as though 2 countries are fighting each other. This conflict is one country having occupied another and ethnic cleansing them out of the land and killing its population.

Use your brain and not blindly follow Fox news and you can see that.

You got it backwards buddy. You don't negotiate then cease fire. You cease fire then negotiate. Got that? I assure you the people of Gaza are furious with Hamas, especially after the 3 day truce. What does Hamas possibly gain by resuming fire? You think Israel is going to open up Gaza if they send 100 more rockets? Stop cheering on Hamas because you are killing people.
 
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No my friend, we need to kick people like you out of the country and send you to the Islamic republic, the narrow minded dictator mentality. Democracy is where every side has a voice. Chompsky has many followers among intellectuals (yes that excludes you by a mile).

At some point you wanted to move to the US. I suggest you stay back there. There is no political party lefty enough for you if Chomsky is your idol, and believe me we don't need any more Democrats here.
 

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You keep on discussing this conflict as though 2 countries are fighting each other. This conflict is one country having occupied another and ethnic cleansing them out of the land and killing its population. .
You want cleansing? Look what Arabs are doing to each other in Syria and Iraq. Watch some of those ISIS videos. Hundred times more Arabs have been killed by other Arabs. Hamas is no different. Reports say they have executed a bunch because they thought some of those tunnel diggers were Israeli informants. Few years ago they pushed their Fatah buddies off the rooftops. These are the characters you are cozying up to. I make you a trade. You go out to dinner with that fat blabber mouth Osama Hamdan and that fat sheik in Lebanon. I go out for a beer with Netanyahu.
 
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That does not condone Israel from doing it, especially since it degrades US for supporting it and paying for it on the international arena and decrease its influence. Gives green light to everyone else to go on brutality. It also weakens UN to deal with other invaders and killers.

Secondly, Israel is suppose to be above that. Are you comparing them to ISIS and others and saying Israel kills many less children, women and civilians so it should be okay?

Now, we all hate Hamas for being an Islamic group. But if they were not one, any country who has been occupied and tries to free itself, especially when under brutal siege then building tunnels and finding ways to free themselves is acceptable by any humans during any era.

Unless one has a Nazi type mentality and love to support invaders and occupiers. There is not one invader in the history of man kind that did not have their own justifications for occupying and killing the occupants and creating fears so they don't fight back. Public relations has always been part of invading especially with Nazis and Zionists. And there has always been people like you who supported their murderous behaviors.

You want cleansing? Look what Arabs are doing to each other in Syria and Iraq. Watch some of those ISIS videos. Hundred times more Arabs have been killed by other Arabs. Hamas is no different. Reports say they have executed a bunch because they thought some of those tunnel diggers were Israeli informants. Few years ago they pushed their Fatah buddies off the rooftops. These are the characters you are cozying up to. I make you a trade. You go out to dinner with that fat blabber mouth Osama Hamdan and that fat sheik in Lebanon. I go out for a beer with Netanyahu.
 
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Palestian, Israel, Syria, Lebanon are all like a small pizza shop to launder money for the mullahas.

mullahas do not give a fuck about these countries either.


IRI is just like the Italian Mofia, involved in money laundering, racketeering, hostage taking, prostitution rings, drug smuggling, kidnapping, bombing, killing, assassination.

and just like the Italian Mofia, at the end of the week they all show up to Namaz Jomeh for prayers and forgiveness and give zakhat.
 

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Flint people will always hate on Israel just because its Israel. As they say and its true Israel is a torn in the eye of most Arabs and Muslims and will continue to be. For that they will try to excuse all other atrocities by other Arab countries and that they have caused these poor Palestinians most of their misery through the wars they have undertaken against Israel from 60 years ago and after being defeated so many times and change that has taken place have abandoned them. Now they can be helped by the aid of their billions but they are not as you have correctly indicated they are all after their own wishes and power. Even Saudi supported Israel and put down Hamas because it lays in their long term strategy to be more on the Israeli side than killer terrorists which themselves harbor but are afraid will reach their own borders. This only tells you how dirty politics is and how dirty these Arab countries are.

People keep taking about occupation but everytime Israel has let them move around we have seen what has happened. These guys have attacked Israel over 7 times with many small uprisings and suicide attacks. I suggest they think about if they were in Israels shoe would they be able to TRUST these guys not to let them demilitarize. I think its only fair for Israel to push for disarmament of these terrorists and that way they cash push to make their economy better and open their borders for traveling and commerce. One has to be absolutely out of their mind to put any trust in the hands of Hamas and Islamic killers based on their history.
 

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These guys have attacked Israel over 7 times with many small uprisings and suicide attacks.
And every time they have lost more land. Now they beg to get what they had in 1967. How many countries lost land in wars and never got it back. Can you say Iran? Half of the US belonged to Mexico. Are they occupied territories? Now, what Israel gives back or doesn't is up to them. My point is that the people who want their land back had them at one time and still started new wars. The experience of Gaza has shown that land is not enough. If you think by opening border crossings Hamas is going to lay off Israel you are dreaming. The blockade did not start until 2 years after Israelis left. Did Hamas build beach towns and casinos on their beautiful coast line?
 
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various reports are starting to tickle out about the isreali gestapos operations
in their assault on gaza.one of the most disturbing reports even to isrealis themselves is
the fact that it appears the isrealis killed 3 of their own fighters in order to prevent
their capture by the resistance.guy levy and hadar goldin are named as 2 but the 3rd one
is still unnamed.hadar goldin was the one that was first reported as missing just as a ceasefire
was taking effect and later on declared dead by the isrealis.no army ever has stooped this low
to kill their own.they even have a name for it 'hannibal directive'.this as the title of this thread
says is just fucked up,really fucked up!

Hannibal Directive is the beginning of fascism in Israel

Op-ed: Protocol promoting idea that a soldier's life is expendable for good of state is one manifestation of growing fascism, fed by Benjamin Netanyahu.


There are no parents who would prefer their son's death over his capture. An attempt to prevent a soldier's capture at the cost of his life is a moral crime based on a fascist view of the world, showing preference to the country over the individual. It's true that the individual risks his life to protect the country, but he does this with confidence that the country will do everything in order to bring him or her home safely and most certainly without putting a gun at his back.


Read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...557951,00.html
 

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Now, we all hate Hamas for being an Islamic group.
NO we DON'T ... We don't hate Hamas because it is a Islamic group. We hate Hamas because it is TERRORIST group. We hate Hamas because it kills INNOCENT CIVILIANS ... We hate Hamas because it uses INNOCENT CIVILIANS as human shields trying to use the killings as propaganda ...

This is why people hate Hamas ... Same goes with Netanyahu by the way. No one hates him because he is Jewish. People hate him because his fascist policies that are playing well in the hands of extremist organization like Hamas and have no real outcome but the death of the INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
 

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How are things in the Fatah controlled region in the West Banks ?
I know as much as anybody, which is not a lot. Last I checked at least nobody was dying there and there is no blockade. Why can't Gaza be like that? Listen, nobody is living it up there. What I am saying is that the Gaza experience has set back the future of normal life for the Palestinians immensely. I do agree that the Israel is no longer content with what they had pre-1967 but likes of Hamas still think they can push them into the sea if they keep it up just a little longer. In the meantime, generation after generation of the young are wasted.