کشته شدن یک شهروند بهایی در بندرعباس به ضر&#15

shahinc

Legionnaire
May 8, 2005
6,745
1
#41
No other group in Iran will be denied employment or admission to university if they reveal that they belong to a certain minority group. And even if they were, it shouldn't make the systematic discrimination of another group okay, unimportant or irrelevant.
The two that you mention Bi-honar jan are HUGE especially an admission to university.

People have no idea what that means when you are 18 year old and can not go to university and at the same time, can not get a passport to leave the country and go some where else to study. It has a huge impact on your life and your families life. Then you talk about getting denied employment ... This is again not only for government jobs like teacher or ... it is in all sectors of the society. You can have a private engineering company and be denied contracts. You can have any kind of store and seeing it being closed in a blink of eyes ...
 

Meehandoost

Bench Warmer
Sep 4, 2005
1,982
113
#42
Friends! To be fair, the topic of the thread should be kept in mind when participating in the discussion. Let's face it, it is unlikely that we can categorically convince others to be exactly like us, rather the intent should be to generate some discussions through which the spark of truth may shine and people in their own good time form an illumined opinion. For instance, in this thread, the discussion is about the vigilante-style execution of a Baha'i who was kidnapped in the streets of Bandar Abbas, and shot. True that other groups are also under pressure in Iran, but firstly, Baha'is are entirely different because by the virtue of being a Baha'i, which as said before they do not hide and truthfully and honesty disclose when asked, they are automatically deprived of all human rights such as education, work, freedom, and whatever relative security they may have will be all taken away in an instant because of their faith, as was the case here. Moreover, unfortunately the atrocities of the Islamic republic are so many that they simply cannot be all discussed under this one single thread. It is important to maintain perspective.

From the one hand I find in general there is a level of ignorance, intolerance and prejudice towards Baha'is among some Iranians. This is also true for those who "profess" not to be Shia or even Muslim. As there is dissimulation, it is hard to truly gauge the sincerity of those claims, but at any rate, it is quite telling that even those who clearly know very little about the Baha'i faith, its beliefs and central tenets, make such prophetic statements about it that are so removed from the truth that it is simply not worth attention or refuting. Among the initiated, certainly this will be understood, but sadly some who are not well-read, may be influenced by these shibboleths and incantations.

From the other hand, I also find many are quick to judge and then express their "opinions" which sometimes is completely biased, in the most unkind, nay vulgar ways! I say this with utmost humility and love, especially to the youth, please educate yourselves about issues so your remarks are informed, and then express them preferably in a kind way. Let your expressions and remarks be a true representation of your character and an indication of your knowledge, respect and love for your country, your compatriots and your fellow beings. Instead of saying what you don't believe and what you are not, say what you are and what you do believe. "Be fair in thy judgment, and guarded in thy speech. Be unjust to no man, and show all meekness to all men."
 

Meehandoost

Bench Warmer
Sep 4, 2005
1,982
113
#43
Meanwhile, there are calls on the new government of Rohani to bring the murderers to justice.
The question is: will be there be a change of course, or continue in the same old ways? More on the news:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Murderers of Iranian Baha’i must be brought to justice, says Baha’i International Community

Subject:
Persecution of the Baha'i Community

Mr. Ataollah Rezvani
NEW YORK
29 August 2013
The murder of a well-known Baha’i on Saturday in the southern Iranian city of Bandar Abbas should be treated as a hate crime and must be investigated immediately, said the Baha’i International Community today.

“There is little doubt that the killing of Mr. Ataollah Rezvani was motivated by religious prejudice,” said Bani Dugal, the principal representative of the Baha’i International Community to the United Nations. “Therefore, it is essential that the government at the highest levels investigate this without delay under its international obligations.

“In recent years, clerics and the authorities in Iran have sought to create an atmosphere of anti-Baha’i hatred, using the pulpit and state-sponsored media.

“The newly instituted government of President Hassan Rouhani now has a clear choice. It can continue as his predecessors have, allowing such incidents to take place with impunity, indicating to the world that nothing has changed. Or it can show the world that it is committed to upholding justice and human rights for all Iranians.”

Reports from Iran indicate that Mr. Rezvani was shot in the back of the head, by assailants who apparently forced him to drive to a isolated location near the railway station on the outskirts of Bandar Abbas. His body was discovered on Sunday after he failed to return home.

His killing comes after a series of incidents that were apparently designed to force him and his family to leave the city. Recently, he had come under pressure from agents of the Ministry of Intelligence, who instigated his dismissal from a job in water purification. More recently, he had begun to receive menacing telephone calls from unknown persons. This came against a backdrop of attacks on Baha’is from the pulpit by local clerics in the past several years.

Since 2005 in Iran, at least nine Baha’is have been murdered or died under suspicious circumstances, and another 52 have been physically assaulted, both by government agents and plainclothes or unidentified attackers – all without prosecution.

“Mr. Rezvani had been well-known and respected by ordinary citizens in Bandar Abbas as a man of honesty and helpfulness,” said Ms. Dugal, noting that he is survived by a wife and two children.

“Yet sinister forces sought to drive him from the city he sought only to serve, leading ultimately to his untimely death,” she said.



Source: http://www.bic.org/news/Murderers-I...t-justice-says-Baha’i-International-Community
 

Meehandoost

Bench Warmer
Sep 4, 2005
1,982
113
#44
Encouraging developments after the meeting of Baha'is with Ayatollah Masoumi in his office and encouraging remarks from him:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Source: http://www.iranpresswatch.org/post/9273


Ayatollah Abdolhamid Masoumi Tehrani meets a group of Iranian Baha’is
September 6th, 2013
Ayatullah Masoumi's official website[Ayatollah Masoumi' website: www.amasumi.net, sources: http://www.amasumi.net/index.html]

Gooya News

[news.gooya.com, 13 Shahrivar, 1392]

Report of the meeting between Ayatollah Abdolhamid Masoumi Tehrani and a group of Iranian Baha’i activists

In this meeting that was held in Ayatollah Masoumi Tehrani’s office, His Eminence expressed his personal opinion, while listening to the difficulties and constant violation of human rights experienced by the Baha’i community of Iran.


At the beginning of the meeting, one of the participants referred to the heinous murder of a Baha’i citizen in the city of Bandar Abbas, and the lack of strong will on the part of law enforcement agencies to investigate this crime.

In response, Ayatollah Masoumi made the following remarks:

The heart-wrenching and unfair murder of the late Mr. Ataollah Rezvani is a cause for grief and sadness, and I offer my condolences to his family and friends, and particularly those of you who have troubled yourselves to come and meet with me. My ardent hope is that with the spread of rationalism and avoidance of blind religious fanaticism in Iranian society we will not witness such horrifying crimes any more. I also hope that the authorities identify and punish those responsible for these crimes. If such crimes are not stopped, not only will the image of the Iranian authorities be hurt in the world, but also those responsible for these murders will be encouraged to repeat their crimes.

Later, the participants described the lack of basic citizenship rights, including the right to higher education, employment, and the questioning of the beliefs of the Iranian Baha’i community. They also complained about the security forces’ organized and continuous attacks on the Baha’is. The participants believed that the root cause of these attacks is the adverse opinion and suspicion of many members of the government regarding the origin of this religion. They also remarked that these short-sighted attacks are occurring, even though based on all legal and moral principles which even Islam refers to, choosing a religion is a personal decision. In addition, they mentioned, we are all Iranians before being Muslim, Christian or Baha’i, we love our country and have proven that throughout history.

In response to these issues, Ayatollah Masoumi Tehrani said the following:

Iran is a country made up of various ethnic and religious groups, which together create the Iranian nation. Iran does not belong to a particular ethnic or religious group. It belongs to all Iranians – we cannot and should not deny or limit our citizenry’s basic human rights because of their religious beliefs or ethnicity. All humans are noble at their core, and their livelihood has to be respected. An individual who has never violated the personal and social rights of others should not be harassed purely because of his belief in another religion. I don’t have an accurate knowledge of the Baha’i beliefs, but arguments over the legitimacy or misguided nature of various beliefs is time-consuming, and has resulted in nothing but the killing of our fellow citizens throughout history.

Referring to blind religious conflicts throughout history and their ineffectiveness in eliminating of other beliefs, he added: according to Jewish thoughts and beliefs, Jesus Christ was a liar and was crucified for his claim. Even today, the Jewish clergy present many reasons for the misguided nature of Christianity. Christians were also harassed and persecuted during the Roman Empire. During the reign of Emperor Nero, a huge fire was intentionally set, Christians were blamed, the masses were provoked and Christians were massacred. What was the result of these actions? Did Christianity die?

Later on, the Jewish and Christian clergy presented many reasons to pronounce Islam and its prophet misguided, which brought nothing to humanity but violence and bloodshed. Also, in the Muslim world several sects have been created, each accusing the others of being erroneous and misguided, even though they all believe in the same book and same prophet. Meditating on these facts, we notice that the followers of the three large Semitic religions consider each other’s beliefs either misguided, or distorted and outdated. Each of them has tried to annihilate the roots of the other beliefs. None has yet succeeded in eliminating the others, or in convincing them to change their beliefs. The only outcome has been the loss of scores of human lives just because one did not agree with the other. These are experiences we have obtained from the history of religion.

Ayatollah Masoumi further remarked that these religious conflicts may have been justified in the past, but with the advancement of human rights concepts and the cultural growth of various societies, such conflicts can in no way be justified in this day and age. Such violations of life, property, honor and the dignity of others due to religious views were justified in previous centuries because humanity did not have a true understanding of its personal and social rights. However, modern people, who are aware of personal and social rights and are laboring toward recognizing them, do not have a logical justification for the violation of human rights based on religion, ethnicity, race and gender. We have no right to violate or limit the personal and social rights of those who have not violated the life, property, honor or dignity of others. In today’s world, personal and social rights, and in essence citizenship rights, are not defined based on religious, ethnic or racial secondary qualities. Man in his essence, regardless of these accidental qualities, has basic human rights, and no one has the right to violate the rights of those who have not interfered with the rights of others. Moreover, every government is responsible to defend the personal and social rights of all citizens without any exceptions and in an impartial manner, and to prosecute anyone who violates the rights of others for any reason, or due to subscribing to any opinion.

Ayatollah Masoumi further commented: it is not the name of a religion, but the actions of the followers and the message and teachings of religions that are proofs of an ideology’s misguided trend. In every corner of the world, the followers of every religion – even those who worship cows – consider their own beliefs to be the absolute truth, and the beliefs of others to be absolutely wrong and misguided. Such medieval claims of possessing the absolute truth and pronouncing the rest of humanity to be misled and wrong have no reasonable value in today’s global village. An individual who has not interfered with another’s life, property, honor and dignity must be respected regardless of his religious views. I believe that in the modern era you cannot find any ideology more misled and misguided than what is practiced by those fanatical and extremist Muslims who calmly murder other human beings. In my opinion, those ideologies that deny the rest of the world their comfort and security and do not value human life are the true misguided ones. Otherwise, accusations and arguments over right and wrong have resulted in nothing but bloodshed and the killing of fellow human beings.

Ayatollah Masoumi Tehrani finished his talk with the following remarks:

My understanding from the research I have done into Judaism, Christianity and Islam and the essence of their principles is that we should not harm, oppress or violate the rights of one another, regardless of how we worship God. God knows how to deal with his servants on the Day of Judgement. But I am confident that God does not send anyone to heaven or hell solely because he is Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Baha’i or…… but rewards and punishes all based on their actions and behavior. No one will be placed in another man’s grave and every individual is responsible for his own actions.

As said by the Iranian national poet Hafiz Shirazi:

Don’t find fault with others, oh pious one;

God will not blame you for the sins of others;

If I am well behaved or not, you watch your own actions,

Each person will face the result of his own actions;

The alert and the drunk are both looking for the beloved;

The mosque and the temple are both the home of love;

Do not disappoint me in the history of eternity;

What do you know about the unseen and what is good or bad?

I hope that one day in this country Shiites, Sunnis, Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews, Baha’is and even atheists may have equal rights, and may be accorded the same respect. It is in such a society that talents flourish and the country is strengthened. Thankfully this positive trend is spreading in Iranian society, and it is becoming institutionalized. Hopefully it will continue.

—-------------------------------------------------------------

Translation by Iran Press Watch

In Persian:

Ayatollah Masumi’ website: www.amasumi.net, sources: http://www.amasumi.net/index.html
This Meeting: http://www.amasumi.net/150-ديدار-با-جمعی-از-هموطنان-بهایی

Gooya News: http://news.gooya.com/politics/archives/2013/09/166398.php