Deerouz jaan technically speaking results have to be looked at within its own context. If I remember correctly we almost got kicked out in 2004 under Branco after being down 0 2 to Oman or someone (players slapped each other). and tied Japan.
The same happened in 2007 where we tied a team.
Ghotbi has managed to win all 3 games so far. Looking at results Iran also played great against Korea under Ghotbi during the WC qualifiers and if it was not for Daei's shortcomings we would of been in the WC. I am not basing what I am saying on these results individually anyways. He has brought a lot to Iranian football and that has to be accepted and respected. Credit has to be given where its due and he has done a lot for Iran football and is the most capable and knowledgeable Iranian coach in my opinion. Now some have a personal vendetta against him or don't like him for other reasons and use those as excuses to discount his coaching abilities.
Time will show if that is True or not.
Although I understand the frustration that he caused among the "Green" guys, I personally believe that he had a moment of "What the fuck do I do now" .. and he made the wrong choice..
I feel that he has never been able to talk about that as long as he is coaching TM (or a club in Iran).. I am sure once he is done with TM (as early as tomorrow) before long someone will approach him and ask him about that and this subject will come up again..
Although I understand the frustration that he caused among the "Green" guys, I personally believe that he had a moment of "What the fuck do I do now" .. and he made the wrong choice..
I feel that he has never been able to talk about that as long as he is coaching TM (or a club in Iran).. I am sure once he is done with TM (as early as tomorrow) before long someone will approach him and ask him about that and this subject will come up again..
Thanks Aram joon for the post.
Problem is I'm a really emotional person...my love is super love and hatred something beyond border. Anything/anyone associated (sympathizing) with IR, makes borderless hatred in my soul, be it art/sports/music...(from eftekhari to GN, "our own" Ghotbi, to amirghasimiha etc.). and sometimes extreme hatred makes one too sensitive to every little comment, like an open wound.
Anyway, I'm happy this misunderstanding is over.
Problem is I'm a really emotional person...my love is super love and hatred something beyond border. Anything/anyone associated (sympathizing) with IR, makes borderless hatred in my soul, be it art/sports/music...(from eftekhari to GN, "our own" Ghotbi, to amirghasimiha etc.). and sometimes extreme hatred makes one too sensitive to every little comment, like an open wound.
Anyway, I'm happy this misunderstanding is over.
Na nashod digeh. Just the other day you were saying that he came out and said in an interview that he was forced to go, and when Mahdi and I asked you for a source you ignored us.
Your whole goddam post is inlusting. No it's not just the "green" guys that his visit is frustrating, the the "i decided to demand my rights and got a batton to the head" or the "my brother got detained during a protest and since he's been released from prison he hasn't said a word and always has a blank look on his face" guys who are also "frustrated".
Your whole goddam post is inlusting. No it's not just the "green" guys that his visit is frustrating, the the "i decided to demand my rights and got a batton to the head" or the "my brother got detained during a protest and since he's been released from prison he hasn't said a word and always has a blank look on his face" guys who are also "frustrated".
4 years ago Mr Ghotbi came to Iran to coach Perspolis and later our TM. I do not remember what captivated me as a fan to support him blindly or ignore others who were questioning Ghotbi's patriotic claims while he was celebrating on the South Korean side after our exit from the Asian Cup.
Maybe winning IPL games had something to do with it or being a red fan? I do not know. I personally thought he was an outsider and his attitude and professionalism was something that we desperately needed in our football.
Then came last year and his inexcusable attendance at AN's inauguration ceremony while Iranians were dying and fighting for their rights in the streets.
Later came the unity claims, or his disapproval of players wearing green wrist bands to show solidarity. Politics has no place in football. That was his excuse.
Mr Ghotbi, your presence at AN's inauguration was not political?
TM has an important and crucial match against South Korea tomorrow. We may win that game and Ghotbi may be celebrating on the opposite side line.
You may win the battle tomorrow Mr. Ghotbi, but you have lost the war. You have lost the hearts and minds of many Iranians who considered you as one of their own only to find out later that you would dance to anybody's tune only if you were given that opportunity.
Maybe winning IPL games had something to do with it or being a red fan? I do not know. I personally thought he was an outsider and his attitude and professionalism was something that we desperately needed in our football.
Then came last year and his inexcusable attendance at AN's inauguration ceremony while Iranians were dying and fighting for their rights in the streets.
Later came the unity claims, or his disapproval of players wearing green wrist bands to show solidarity. Politics has no place in football. That was his excuse.
Mr Ghotbi, your presence at AN's inauguration was not political?
TM has an important and crucial match against South Korea tomorrow. We may win that game and Ghotbi may be celebrating on the opposite side line.
You may win the battle tomorrow Mr. Ghotbi, but you have lost the war. You have lost the hearts and minds of many Iranians who considered you as one of their own only to find out later that you would dance to anybody's tune only if you were given that opportunity.
And I still say that he did say in an interview (his first interview after the inauguration, posted on ISNA) that "az daftar-e rahbaree ba man tamas gereftan va nemitoonesam begam Na"... do you want me to go spend the time and find the link to that interview?
I am sorry I don't recall anyone asking me for a source.. but I will take the time and try to find it for you and will PM you or something..
Anyways what I meant in that quote you responded to, is that once he is OUT OF IRAN for good, he will sooner or later be able to talk more freely and explain his motive better..
dude, what's wrong with you? Ok I said the "Green" guys but didn't mention the other 1000 class of society that were/are/will be frustrated, hurt, injured killed..etc.. you forgot to mention those non-green "Hezbolahis" (from mohsen rezaie's campaign) who's sons were beaten to DEATH and their funerals were delayed because they couldn't figure out the cause of death..
I didn't mention those guys either, So what's your point?
Ghotbi is a traitor for attending AN's crap, what was wrong with Karim Bagheri, Rezaie, Majidi, Nouri ..etc etc who played football with him? Do you really think innocent people started getting killed and raped and ..etc only after AN came to power? How many innocent people died when the so called GREEN guys were in power? or does it even matter?
I think some of you have taken this Ghotbi attending An's crap far too serious... Suppose Ghotbi came out tomorrow and said "goh khordam" ye mosht ham fohsh bedeh be AN, .. khob so what? Neda Agha soltan's family are goning to have their daughter back?
Karimi, and 6 other TM players wore green wrist band against South Korea, but I haven't seen ONE picture or one link shwoing any TM player (or even IPL player) participating on the streets where the real action was.. again, So what does that mean, that they support the status quoe?
I am sorry I don't recall anyone asking me for a source.. but I will take the time and try to find it for you and will PM you or something..
Anyways what I meant in that quote you responded to, is that once he is OUT OF IRAN for good, he will sooner or later be able to talk more freely and explain his motive better..
dude, what's wrong with you? Ok I said the "Green" guys but didn't mention the other 1000 class of society that were/are/will be frustrated, hurt, injured killed..etc.. you forgot to mention those non-green "Hezbolahis" (from mohsen rezaie's campaign) who's sons were beaten to DEATH and their funerals were delayed because they couldn't figure out the cause of death..
I didn't mention those guys either, So what's your point?
Ghotbi is a traitor for attending AN's crap, what was wrong with Karim Bagheri, Rezaie, Majidi, Nouri ..etc etc who played football with him? Do you really think innocent people started getting killed and raped and ..etc only after AN came to power? How many innocent people died when the so called GREEN guys were in power? or does it even matter?
I think some of you have taken this Ghotbi attending An's crap far too serious... Suppose Ghotbi came out tomorrow and said "goh khordam" ye mosht ham fohsh bedeh be AN, .. khob so what? Neda Agha soltan's family are goning to have their daughter back?
Karimi, and 6 other TM players wore green wrist band against South Korea, but I haven't seen ONE picture or one link shwoing any TM player (or even IPL player) participating on the streets where the real action was.. again, So what does that mean, that they support the status quoe?
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yes please do provide the source. i asked you on two occasions and mahdi asked you once.
My point is that you put "green" in quotes, as if they are the only people in Iran who care about whats happening in Iran. Your belitteling the problems in Iran to give unconditional support to Ghotbi. And yes that is the difference between you and me. Whether they are hezbollahis, eslaahtalabs, greens, or whomever that stood against the coup and got beaten down, you have no right to put them in quotes as if they are just a passing trend. THAT is my point.
My point is that you put "green" in quotes, as if they are the only people in Iran who care about whats happening in Iran. Your belitteling the problems in Iran to give unconditional support to Ghotbi. And yes that is the difference between you and me. Whether they are hezbollahis, eslaahtalabs, greens, or whomever that stood against the coup and got beaten down, you have no right to put them in quotes as if they are just a passing trend. THAT is my point.
baba jan, I am not belitteling the problem, in fact I have been trying to convey the opposite..
I am saying the problem is so FUCKING grave in that shit hole of a country that complaining bout TM coach attending ahamadinezjad's inauguration sound to me more like silly whine than a legitimate concern.....
No one says he didn't have an option.. He did.. He could have walked away from the job.. simple as that.. I personally think he should have walked away from the job.. But it is easier for me to say now than to actually do it if I were that man.
You see, az ghadeem goftan 2 halat dareh.. either he wanted to go willingly, or he was some how some way put into a situation that he went along with.. (let''s say roodarvasi or something like that). Unless he is asked about it openly, there is no way for us to know for sure.. there are just too many things that could have happened.. But If I do sense or even smell that he WANTED to go, then he will go on my shit list.. I just don't have enough to convict the guy yet..
You see, az ghadeem goftan 2 halat dareh.. either he wanted to go willingly, or he was some how some way put into a situation that he went along with.. (let''s say roodarvasi or something like that). Unless he is asked about it openly, there is no way for us to know for sure.. there are just too many things that could have happened.. But If I do sense or even smell that he WANTED to go, then he will go on my shit list.. I just don't have enough to convict the guy yet..
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Not even after the recent interview of his? Daei didn't go, GN didn't go, Shajarian has been consistently giving them a big bilakh.
Could we at least get you to admit that he sold out the Iranian people to be able to keep his contract?
And no, disliking someone for turning their back on you is not a "silly whine". The same way it's not a silly whine to dislike those other moftkhors that took a plane from the states and europe to go and meet AN in Tehran not too long ago.
Could we at least get you to admit that he sold out the Iranian people to be able to keep his contract?
And no, disliking someone for turning their back on you is not a "silly whine". The same way it's not a silly whine to dislike those other moftkhors that took a plane from the states and europe to go and meet AN in Tehran not too long ago.
So, lets see which TM coach gets your "heart and mind" and keeps his head. As I said, short of going in front of a firing squad or getting tortured, Ghotbi can not get SOME people's "hearts and minds". SOME of us though, see things differently, EVEN though WE TOO don't like the regime and want freedom for our nation. We kinda like to think, we also have "hearts and minds"
نمیدونم چرا ما مردم ایران باید همه چیز و همه کس را سیاسی ببینیم؟ این درست که من بشخصه از تمام خایه مالان بدم میآید ولی انطرف قضیه خایه مالی هم گویا میتواند حق هر کسی باشد و من تا حالا نشنیده ام که خایه مالی در کشوری قانونا ممنوع شده باشه.
قضیه سرمربی تیم ملی ایران هم هاکذا افشین قطبی مگر بیشتر از بقیه مربیان تیمهای ایرانی وملی سابق خایه مالی کرده. منظورم بدون استثنا همگی آنهاست. یکی با تسبیح دیگری با ریش و مهر نماز در پیشانی و خلاصه هرکس بنوبه خود بنوعی. این خایه مالی حتی به بازیکنان محبوب تیمهای ملی هم سرایت کرده و همه گیر شده اگر شما تا حالا ندیدید و نشنیده اید دلیل نداره که وجود نداشته.
اصولا پدیده خایه مالی یک پدیده کاملا ایرانیست که من فکر میکنم که حتی توسط ما ایرانیها اختراع شده چرا که ما ایرانیها اصولا مردمان صلح طلب و غیر جنگجوئی هستیم و اگر بتاریخ مراجعه کنید همیشه از مهاجمین شکست خورده ایم و برای بقای خودمون مجبور بوده ایم که مدارا (خایه مالی) کنیم.
حالا که موضوع روشن شد اجازه بدهید برویم سر مسابقات جام آسیا و کیفیت بازیها. تیم ایران چه از زمان ساسانیان تا حالا کیفیتش مثل کیفیت مردم ایران چندان فرق نکرده. تیم ایران همانطوریکه بارها گفته ام در تمام مدت بازیهای خودش شاید یک یا دو بار مثل آدم بازی کرده (بازی با یوگسلاوی در فرانسه و دوستانه با کرواسِی) ولی بقیه ایام دیمی و علی اصغری.
اگر غیر از این بود باید تعجب میکردیم. اصولا مردم ایران بسیار تابع مد هستند اگر سیاست باب روز باشد همه سیاسی میشوند اگر خریدن ب ام و باب باشد همین طور جراجی پلاستیک دماغ و مدل موی سر نوع موسیقی مورد علاقه و خلاصه هر گند و گهی باب شد همگی هوره کش طرفدارشیم.
ملت اسیر هوا و هوس لحظه ای و چشممان به دیگران است که دیگران در مورد ما چه میگویند من در تمام مدت عمرم شصت و پنج ساله خودم بیاد نمیآورم که حتی یکبار کسی کاری را برای خاطر خودش و دلش انجام داده باشد. همه برای حفظ ظاهر و جلب نظر و احترام دیگران دست بهر کاری میزنند بدون انکه کوچکترین اعتقادی با آن داشته باشند.
تا حالا افشین قطبی سه بازی را برده. خوب باید دید که بعنوان مربی و نه خایه مالی تا حالا چه کرده چرا که بطوریکه میدانم همگی مربیان از این قاعده کلی مستثنا نبوده اند.
همه عیوبش را گفتیم خوبیش را هم باید بگیم اولا از تمام مربیان ایرانی تا حالا بهتر انگلیسی حرف میزنه و این خودش یکی از بزرگترین نکات مثبتش است. چرا که همین باعث قوت اعتماد بازیکنان بتیم و مربی میشود تا مربی مثل مایلی کهن و دائی و شهرنوئی و غیره.
دیگه اینکه تونسته تا حالا نظم و انضباط تیم را محکم نگه داره که دیگران حتی برانکو قادر نبودند این بازیکنان بی انظباط ما را بدون حاشیه نگه دارند. سوم اینکه تیم به یک گل و دو گل قانع نمیشه و بعد از زذن گل توی لاک دفاعی نمیره.
نکته آخر اینکه بابا ملت بگذارید اگر ما فردا بردیم و یا خدائی نکرده جام را بردیم حالمون را بکنیم و چرا باید اینقدر بسیاست گیر بدید. نمینونید یک تپه ای را برای من بی وطن که فکر نکنم هرگز بایران حتی برای دیدن هم بروم نریده باقی بگذارید.
مگر ایندفعه اول بوده که کسی توی ایران خایه مالی دیکتاتور و آدمکش را کرده که شما اینقدر به افشین گیر میدید.
قضیه سرمربی تیم ملی ایران هم هاکذا افشین قطبی مگر بیشتر از بقیه مربیان تیمهای ایرانی وملی سابق خایه مالی کرده. منظورم بدون استثنا همگی آنهاست. یکی با تسبیح دیگری با ریش و مهر نماز در پیشانی و خلاصه هرکس بنوبه خود بنوعی. این خایه مالی حتی به بازیکنان محبوب تیمهای ملی هم سرایت کرده و همه گیر شده اگر شما تا حالا ندیدید و نشنیده اید دلیل نداره که وجود نداشته.
اصولا پدیده خایه مالی یک پدیده کاملا ایرانیست که من فکر میکنم که حتی توسط ما ایرانیها اختراع شده چرا که ما ایرانیها اصولا مردمان صلح طلب و غیر جنگجوئی هستیم و اگر بتاریخ مراجعه کنید همیشه از مهاجمین شکست خورده ایم و برای بقای خودمون مجبور بوده ایم که مدارا (خایه مالی) کنیم.
حالا که موضوع روشن شد اجازه بدهید برویم سر مسابقات جام آسیا و کیفیت بازیها. تیم ایران چه از زمان ساسانیان تا حالا کیفیتش مثل کیفیت مردم ایران چندان فرق نکرده. تیم ایران همانطوریکه بارها گفته ام در تمام مدت بازیهای خودش شاید یک یا دو بار مثل آدم بازی کرده (بازی با یوگسلاوی در فرانسه و دوستانه با کرواسِی) ولی بقیه ایام دیمی و علی اصغری.
اگر غیر از این بود باید تعجب میکردیم. اصولا مردم ایران بسیار تابع مد هستند اگر سیاست باب روز باشد همه سیاسی میشوند اگر خریدن ب ام و باب باشد همین طور جراجی پلاستیک دماغ و مدل موی سر نوع موسیقی مورد علاقه و خلاصه هر گند و گهی باب شد همگی هوره کش طرفدارشیم.
ملت اسیر هوا و هوس لحظه ای و چشممان به دیگران است که دیگران در مورد ما چه میگویند من در تمام مدت عمرم شصت و پنج ساله خودم بیاد نمیآورم که حتی یکبار کسی کاری را برای خاطر خودش و دلش انجام داده باشد. همه برای حفظ ظاهر و جلب نظر و احترام دیگران دست بهر کاری میزنند بدون انکه کوچکترین اعتقادی با آن داشته باشند.
تا حالا افشین قطبی سه بازی را برده. خوب باید دید که بعنوان مربی و نه خایه مالی تا حالا چه کرده چرا که بطوریکه میدانم همگی مربیان از این قاعده کلی مستثنا نبوده اند.
همه عیوبش را گفتیم خوبیش را هم باید بگیم اولا از تمام مربیان ایرانی تا حالا بهتر انگلیسی حرف میزنه و این خودش یکی از بزرگترین نکات مثبتش است. چرا که همین باعث قوت اعتماد بازیکنان بتیم و مربی میشود تا مربی مثل مایلی کهن و دائی و شهرنوئی و غیره.
دیگه اینکه تونسته تا حالا نظم و انضباط تیم را محکم نگه داره که دیگران حتی برانکو قادر نبودند این بازیکنان بی انظباط ما را بدون حاشیه نگه دارند. سوم اینکه تیم به یک گل و دو گل قانع نمیشه و بعد از زذن گل توی لاک دفاعی نمیره.
نکته آخر اینکه بابا ملت بگذارید اگر ما فردا بردیم و یا خدائی نکرده جام را بردیم حالمون را بکنیم و چرا باید اینقدر بسیاست گیر بدید. نمینونید یک تپه ای را برای من بی وطن که فکر نکنم هرگز بایران حتی برای دیدن هم بروم نریده باقی بگذارید.
مگر ایندفعه اول بوده که کسی توی ایران خایه مالی دیکتاتور و آدمکش را کرده که شما اینقدر به افشین گیر میدید.
ندا اولین قربانی دیکتاتوری در ایران نبوده و آخرین هم نخواهد ماند. من فکر نمیکنم که افشین در کشتن کسی در ایران دست داشته و همانطوریکه گفتم خایه مالی هم در هیچ کجای دنیا جرم نیست . پس بی خیال بگذارید ما فوتبالمان را تماشا کنیم.