Ham-Sar

[Behrooz_C]

بیا، حالا این یکی طرفدار رژیم تجاوزگر امده و از فرهنگ ایرانی حرف میزنه. طرفدار رژیمی که مردم رو با کتک و فحاشی سرکوب میکنه و به زندان میندازه و شکنجه میده حالا امده اینجا خودش رو لوس میکنه حرف اخلاق میزنه و درس فرهنگ ایرانی میخاد بده !!!

ان یکی که البته معلومه از کدوم آخور تغذیه میکنه, آمده میگه در کشوری که زن هاش بدون اجازه شوهر مسافرت نمیتونند برن که هیچ از خونه بیرون هم نمیتونند برند، یا تو استادیوم ورزشی حق ندارند پا بزارند، از زنان کشور های غرب بیشتر حقوق دارند!!!!
یعنی واقعان این جونور باید آخوند باشه که به این صراحت و بی شرفی همه چی رو نادیده میگیره و انکار میکنه.

من هم که فراموشی بهم دست داد خیال کردم و دارم با آدم صحبت میکنم. از خودم تعجب میکنم که این اشتباه رو کردم !!! عذر میخام !!!

 

[Chinaski]

در مورد زن در کشورهای شرق و اسلامی
در بنگلادش پاکستان سیلان اندونزی سنگال زنها قبل از غرب به نخست وزیری رسیدند
برو جانم برو مطالعه کن نیا چرت بنویس
ح

Khob bebin bisavaad, to be tarafe sohbatet migi bere motaale kone, vali khob ye hamchin jomlei az dahane toye bisavaad kheyli jaalebe, migi na? Khob pas bishin ye darse jadid vaasat daaram.

Bisavaad, injaa bahs sare hagho hoghooghe zan dar Eslam va jahaane gharb bood. Doroste? Khob to cheraa injaa minevisi keshvarhaaye shargh va eslaami?lol. Bisavaad shargh be eslaami che rabti daare? Vaase chi oon keshvaraaye eslaami ro michasbooni be keshvaraaye gheyre eslaamiye shargh o besoorate vaghihi esme keshvareshoono laaye keshvaraaye mosalmoon miaari? hehe..

Ceylon che rabti be Eslaam daare bisavaad? Ceylan yek aksariate bozorg daare ke oonaa ham az ghabileye ariaaiye Sinhalese hastan ke etefaaghan baa irani haa ham ham nejaad va mazhabeshoon buddhai o hindu hast. Bale dar in keshvar khaanoome Bandaranaike ke ishoon ham Sinhalese hastand saale 1960 be nakhost vaziri residand va dar kolle doraane nakhost vazirishoon moratab yaa baayad baa ye seri aghaliate Tamil yaa mosalmoon kalanjaar miraftan! lol, haalaa in khaanoom che rabti be bahse miyoone zan dar eslaam o gharb daare? Ishoon na mosalmoone, na keshvaresh mosalmoone na gharbiye. Khob in az koso shere avalet. Haalaa berim baghiasho bekhoonim bebinim dige che charandiaati vaasamoon radif kardi.

Bisavaad, avalin zane nakhost vazir dar jahaane eslaam Binazir Bhuto bood ke oonam saale 1988 be nakhost vaziri resid. Margaret Thacher too ingilis 1979 be nakhost vaziri resid, Maria Pintasilgo too Portugal (1979), Gro Brundtland too Norway (1981), Milca Planinc too Yugoslavia (1982) hamashoon ghable az Bhuto be nakhost vaziri residan. Haalaa nakhost vaziri ke sahle Maria Peron 1974 shod president Argentina (gharbiye dige, mage na?), Finnbogadottir too Iceland 1980 president shod, too Malta 1982 Aghata Barbara president shod.

Bebin bisavaad, in doostaan injaa yek eshtebaah mikonan vaghti baa to kalanjaar miran. Eshtebaaheshoon ine ke vaghti to ye chizi minevisi o baa kamaale por rooi o veghaahat roosh paafeshaari ham mikoni, hichki nemire begarde donbaale vaagheyat. Man toye bisavaado mishnaasam, be hamoon alaahet, be hamoon yazdaan, to bisavaad tarin mojoodi hasti ke too in forum parse mizane, faghat aadam baayad vaghto hoselasho daashte baashe khereto bigire, koso sheraaye vaaghean birabteto moratab behet gooshzad kone. Man too hamoon threade mojezaate ghoraanetam behet neshoon daadam cheghadr bisavaad, cheghadr bi maaye o cheghadr naadaani, oon eslaami ro ke enghad vaasash sine chaak mikoni ro ham dorost nemishnaasi, yejaa dam az mantegh o madrak mizani vali az oonvar be jenno footo mojeze o koso sheraaye khande daar aghide daari lol

Bisavaad, ino aavizoone gooshet kon, taa vaghti man injaa hastam mozakhrafaate khande daaret bi javaab nemimoone. Na inke fekr koni mikhaam khejaalatet bedamaa, na aslan. Man tokhmo tarake o nejaade amsaale shomaahaaro mishnaasam, shomaahaa khejaalat o roo o hayaa o sharaf haalitoon nemishe. Veghaahat, doroogh o bi hayaai too vojoode shomaahaast, inkaaro faghat mikonam ke laa aghal 4 taa aadame saade, kenaare mozakhrafaate to dotaa chize dorost hesaabi ham kenaaresh bekhoonan o be fekr bioftan.

Haalaa ham boro bishin sare darso mashghet bisavaad. Boro motaale kon

 

[General Parsaian]

General I've noticed this conversation (or fight) is getting into details about quran and whatnot. I'm not defending anything anybody else said and specially not what this thread originally was supposed to be about. but i have one question for you and that is do you personally think people, specifically women, would prefer to live outside of Iran or inside? I don't mean do you know anybody or name me five people. I mean in general.

به نظر من نه تنها ایران بلکه مردم اکثر مردم کشورهای جهان دوست دارند در جایی مثل امریکا زندگی کنند
ولی خیلی ها هم هستند که از کشورهایشان رفته اند امریکا ولی دوست دارند به کشورشان برگردند
من نمی گویم ایران یا فلان کشور خاورمیانه ای بهتر از امریکا است خیر جانم اشتباه نکنید امریکا در خیلی چیزها صد مرتبه از این کشورها بهتر و عادل تر و انسانی تر است
ولی نمی شود همه چیز را یا سفید دید یا سیاه

 

[General Parsaian]

i havent read the whole thread, but to answer this particular question on its own:


کی گفته زن نصف میراث میبره ؟


i say so. in today's iran LEGALLY, sons get 1.0 share, and daughters get 0.5 share.
some families dont take notice of this, and split everything evenly, but i know a case (only 3-4 months ago), where everyone sat down, and sons got twice as much as daughters because that what the law says.

in my opinion, this is pure BS, but im afraid that how things are.

جناب علی
من همانطور که گفتم در اسلام یک جا مرد بیشتر از زن ارث می برد
در یک جا هر دو به اندازه هم ارثیه می برند یعنی بطور تساوی
در جای دیگری زن بیشتر از مرد ارث می برد
ولی متاسفانه بسیاری امده اند و این ایه ای که در ان ارث مرد بیشتر از زن است را علم کرده اند و در مورد ایاتی که ارث زن بیشتر یا به تساوی مرد است چیزی نمی گویند
و قومی را به گمراهی کشانده اند که بله ارث زن در اسلام کمتر از مرد است

 

[General Parsaian]

Chera shomaha bejaye bahs kardan va ba mantegh javab dadan be parsian hamatoon fosh midin ? in ke farhange irani nist. in che farhangiye ?

جناب ارش
می گویند انجا که سخن باز می ماند موسیقی اغاز می شود
بنده می گویم انجا که منطق در می ماند فحش و دشنام اغاز می شود

بله جانم

 

[General Parsaian]

When it comes to Islam and Quran, we go with what your Imam Khomeini and all other Ayatallohs say about it, not what you and a handful of Islam apalogists have to say. Khomieni says that a 9-year old girl is a woman, so do other Ayatollahs, and this is in part based on the fact that Mohammd took Ayesheh to bed at that age. Do you disagree with the fact that Khomeini and other Ayatollahs say that a 9-year girl is a woman and can be taken as a wife?

Again, with respect to inheritance, we go with what your Imam Khomeini and all other Ayatallohs say about Islam and Quran. They say that a son takes twice as much as a daughter. That's why this is the law in Iran. Do you disagree with the fact that Khomeini and other Ayatollahs say this?

For the millionth time, I don't care what you and other Islam apalogists say, Islam is what the Ayatollahs say, and have been saying since 1,400 years ago. Your new interpretation to modernize it won't work, because it has many holes and ignores many facts. Khomeini (reedam beh dahanesh) was a Grand f$$$ing Ayatollah, and he knew much more about Islam than you do.

جناب
در مورد سن عایشه و میراث مرد و مردانه می ایستی و بدون توهین بحث کنیم تا ببینیم حرف من درست است یا انچه را تو می گویی ؟
منتظر جواب حضرتعالی هستم

متشکرم

 

[General Parsaian]

Khob bebin bisavaad, to be tarafe sohbatet migi bere motaale kone, vali khob ye hamchin jomlei az dahane toye bisavaad kheyli jaalebe, migi na? Khob pas bishin ye darse jadid vaasat daaram.

Bisavaad, injaa bahs sare hagho hoghooghe zan dar Eslam va jahaane gharb bood. Doroste? Khob to cheraa injaa minevisi keshvarhaaye shargh va eslaami?lol. Bisavaad shargh be eslaami che rabti daare? Vaase chi oon keshvaraaye eslaami ro michasbooni be keshvaraaye gheyre eslaamiye shargh o besoorate vaghihi esme keshvareshoono laaye keshvaraaye mosalmoon miaari? hehe..

Ceylon che rabti be Eslaam daare bisavaad? Ceylan yek aksariate bozorg daare ke oonaa ham az ghabileye ariaaiye Sinhalese hastan ke etefaaghan baa irani haa ham ham nejaad va mazhabeshoon buddhai o hindu hast. Bale dar in keshvar khaanoome Bandaranaike ke ishoon ham Sinhalese hastand saale 1960 be nakhost vaziri residand va dar kolle doraane nakhost vazirishoon moratab yaa baayad baa ye seri aghaliate Tamil yaa mosalmoon kalanjaar miraftan! lol, haalaa in khaanoom che rabti be bahse miyoone zan dar eslaam o gharb daare? Ishoon na mosalmoone, na keshvaresh mosalmoone na gharbiye. Khob in az koso shere avalet. Haalaa berim baghiasho bekhoonim bebinim dige che charandiaati vaasamoon radif kardi.

Bisavaad, avalin zane nakhost vazir dar jahaane eslaam Binazir Bhuto bood ke oonam saale 1988 be nakhost vaziri resid. Margaret Thacher too ingilis 1979 be nakhost vaziri resid, Maria Pintasilgo too Portugal (1979), Gro Brundtland too Norway (1981), Milca Planinc too Yugoslavia (1982) hamashoon ghable az Bhuto be nakhost vaziri residan. Haalaa nakhost vaziri ke sahle Maria Peron 1974 shod president Argentina (gharbiye dige, mage na?), Finnbogadottir too Iceland 1980 president shod, too Malta 1982 Aghata Barbara president shod.

Bebin bisavaad, in doostaan injaa yek eshtebaah mikonan vaghti baa to kalanjaar miran. Eshtebaaheshoon ine ke vaghti to ye chizi minevisi o baa kamaale por rooi o veghaahat roosh paafeshaari ham mikoni, hichki nemire begarde donbaale vaagheyat. Man toye bisavaado mishnaasam, be hamoon alaahet, be hamoon yazdaan, to bisavaad tarin mojoodi hasti ke too in forum parse mizane, faghat aadam baayad vaghto hoselasho daashte baashe khereto bigire, koso sheraaye vaaghean birabteto moratab behet gooshzad kone. Man too hamoon threade mojezaate ghoraanetam behet neshoon daadam cheghadr bisavaad, cheghadr bi maaye o cheghadr naadaani, oon eslaami ro ke enghad vaasash sine chaak mikoni ro ham dorost nemishnaasi, yejaa dam az mantegh o madrak mizani vali az oonvar be jenno footo mojeze o koso sheraaye khande daar aghide daari lol

Bisavaad, ino aavizoone gooshet kon, taa vaghti man injaa hastam mozakhrafaate khande daaret bi javaab nemimoone. Na inke fekr koni mikhaam khejaalatet bedamaa, na aslan. Man tokhmo tarake o nejaade amsaale shomaahaaro mishnaasam, shomaahaa khejaalat o roo o hayaa o sharaf haalitoon nemishe. Veghaahat, doroogh o bi hayaai too vojoode shomaahaast, inkaaro faghat mikonam ke laa aghal 4 taa aadame saade, kenaare mozakhrafaate to dotaa chize dorost hesaabi ham kenaaresh bekhoonan o be fekr bioftan.

Haalaa ham boro bishin sare darso mashghet bisavaad. Boro motaale kon

جناب پرفسور پدر تاریخ جدید و باستان گرامی
لطف کنید یا دو کلاس پایین تر یعنی به فارسی نه فانگلیسی
یا دو کلاس بالاتر یعنی به زبان انگلیسی مطالب را بنویسد تا راحت خوانده شود
بهروز گفت که زن در کشورهای مسلمان به مقامات بالا نرسیده اند من گفتم در پاکستان بنگلادش سنغال اندونزی سیلان زنها قبل از غرب به مقام نخست وزیری و ریاست رسیده اند
حالا این کشورها هم شرقی هستند هم اسلامی
خوب اگر اندونزی شرقی است یعنی چه یعنی چون شرقی است جزو کشورهای اسلامی حساب نمیشود
بهروز گفت در غرب به همین خاطر من کلمه شرق را بکار بردم
حالا بااز از شما پرفسور ادبیات وزبان
و استاد تاریخ جدید و باستان
علامه جغرافیای و اختر و نجوم
ملک المتکلمین بحر العلوم
خواهش میکنم برای این بیسواد یا به انگلیسی بنویسید یا به فارسی


متشکرم

 

[Ardesheer]

جناب
در مورد سن عایشه و میراث مرد و مردانه می ایستی و بدون توهین بحث کنیم تا ببینیم حرف من درست است یا انچه را تو می گویی ؟
منتظر جواب حضرتعالی هستم

متشکرم

Kodoom toheen. All I said was reedam beh khomeini. Why do you take that personally? Can you show me how I said anything that was toheen?

Also, we have been through Ayeshe's age a few times, we cited direct quotes, and you wanted to calculate based on age of others and indirectly show that she was older. We understood and disagree. I go with specific statements in the histoyr books, rather than calculating based when someone else was born or died. Also, why don't you answer the questions?

1. Do you disagree that Ayatollahs in Iran believe that Ayesheh was around 9 when she went to bed with Mohammad?
2. Do you disagree that your version is different than those Ayatollahs'?
3. Do you disagree that those Ayatollahs have massively more followers than you do when it comes to understanding and teaching Islam?

I go with what they say Islam is, not yours. So, you can spend days arguing about the facts, but I am using the facts set forth by Ayatollahs.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Kodoom toheen. All I said was reedam beh khomeini. Why do you take that personally? Can you show me how I said anything that was toheen?

Also, we have been through Ayeshe's age a few times, we cited direct quotes, and you wanted to calculate based on age of others and indirectly show that she was older. We understood and disagree. I go with specific statements in the histoyr books, rather than calculating based when someone else was born or died. Also, why don't you answer the questions?

1. Do you disagree that Ayatollahs in Iran believe that Ayesheh was around 9 when she went to bed with Mohammad?
2. Do you disagree that your version is different than those Ayatollahs'?
3. Do you disagree that those Ayatollahs have massively more followers than you do when it comes to understanding and teaching Islam?

I go with what they say Islam is, not yours. So, you can spend days arguing about the facts, but I am using the facts set forth by Ayatollahs.

My friend,

It is abundantly clear why Gomashteh finds what you said insulting, isn’t it? Any and all affronts to the Eshalic Republic our friend finds as an affront to him. So, when you say “reedam be Khomeini” it’s as if you said “reedam be hezb Mehr,” both of which are fantastic ideas!

 

[General Parsaian]

Kodoom toheen. All I said was reedam beh khomeini. Why do you take that personally? Can you show me how I said anything that was toheen?
.

جناب
من نگفتم توهین کردید گفتم کار به توهین نکشد فرق میکند

Also, we have been through Ayeshe's age a few times, we cited direct quotes, and you wanted to calculate based on age of others and indirectly show that she was older. We understood and disagree.
I go with specific statements in the histoyr books, rather than calculating based when someone else was born or died. Also, why don't you answer the questions?
.

خیر جانم
یا شما ان مطلب را نخوانید یا اینکه خوانده اید و فراموش کردید من ثابت کردم که بنا به گفته خود عایشه ایشان بیش از 16 سال سن داشته اند و از همان کتابی که مصدر نو ساله بودن عایشه است از همان کتاب و همان مصدر یعنی عایشه

I go with specific statements in the histoyr books, rather than calculating based when someone else was born or died. Also, why don't you answer the questions?

1. Do you disagree that Ayatollahs in Iran believe that Ayesheh was around 9 when she went to bed with Mohammad?
2. Do you disagree that your version is different than those Ayatollahs'?
3. Do you disagree that those Ayatollahs have massively more followers than you do when it comes to understanding and teaching Islam?

I go with what they say Islam is, not yours. So, you can spend days arguing about the facts, but I am using the facts set forth by Ayatollahs.

جناب
من برایم فرق نمی کند که عایشه دو سال داشته یا صد سال
و کی چی گفته من جلویم کتاب صحیح بخاری است که همه این مصادری که عایشه را نو سال می دانند از این مصدر یعنی البخاری است
در همان کتاب باز مصددر خود عایشه است سن ایشان بیش از شانزده هفده سال بوده
حالا یکی بیاید بگوید عایشه شش ماه داشته مگر اینکه شناسنامه عایشه را او ثبت کرده باشد و الا این چه گفت و ان چه گفت برای من مصدر نمی شود
جلوی من دو قول از یک مصدر وجود دارد
1- عایشه می گوید من نوساله بودم (صحیح البخاری) ا
2-عایشه می گوید من حداقل هفده ساله بودم (صحیح البخاری )ا
من رفتم و تحقیق کردم دیدم عایشه قبل از ازدواج با پیامبر نامزاد داشته دیدم خواهر او که در همه تواریخ از او ده سال بزرگتر است در ان زمان 27 سال داشته
دیدم این حرف که نو ساله بوده را عایشه زمانی زده که نزدیک به شصت سال سن داشته
نتیجه گرفتم که قول دوم عایشه منطقی تر است
حالا اگر همه دنیا بیایند و بگویند عایشه نو سال داشته و این تنها مصدرشان باشد همه یکی است
مثلا در مورد ماراتون و شکست سپاه ایران و ان جریان 42 کیلومتر دویدن تنها هردوت این را میگوید ولی من قبول ندارم
زیرا اگر سپاه شکست خورده چه دلیلی داشته یک نفر چهل و دو کیلومتر بدود تا جانش به لبش اید و بمیرد و خبر بدهد که بله ما پیروز شدیم
منطقی تر به نظر می رسد که این شخص از ترس دویده باشد چون سپاه ایران می خواسته به اتن حمله کند
اینجا تنها مصدر هردوت است همه هم حرف او را قبول کرده اند
در انجا هم تنها مصدر صحیح بخاری هست ولی در همان صحیح البخاری یکجا نوساله بوده یکجا حداقل هفده ساله
خوب حالا همه بگویند نو ساله بوده من نظر خودم را در این رابطه با دلایل محکمه پسند می دهم و شما نگاه کنید و قضاوت با عاقلان است

 

[Sly]

I think the main message of Masoud's original post was not to get married with the wrong woman and staying single is better while having the right wife by your side is the best. I totally agree with you on that Masoud jan. But I have to disagree with your other arguments about our culture being superior, etc. Part of my reason is already said by others here. But I also have to add, Japanese people are in fact very emotional people, maybe even more than us Iranians. Also I have to say humor in every culture is different. People from every nationality like their own humor the most because it comes from their own culture. It's not a sign of superiority.

THAT, feeling superior to others, is in fact a weakness in OUR culture which doesn't exist in many others. That is something which has contributed a lot in the state of Iran today and something we really should work on. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this to put down our culture. It's very good to be proud of it and we should too! But feeling superior to others, is IMO taking it too far.

i havent read the whole thread, but to answer this particular question on its own:


کی گفته زن نصف میراث میبره ؟


i say so. in today's iran LEGALLY, sons get 1.0 share, and daughters get 0.5 share.
some families dont take notice of this, and split everything evenly, but i know a case (only 3-4 months ago), where everyone sat down, and sons got twice as much as daughters because that what the law says.

in my opinion, this is pure BS, but im afraid that how things are.

I've also thought about this before. But I've come to the conclusion that this law is unfortunately very necessary in today's Iran. Men work and earn money for the family and the wives are often housewives, specially in the less "fortunate" parts of Iran which cover a big area. In a system like that, you must make sure the man has enough money to support his wife and children, hence the double share for the sons while daughters are meant to get compensated by their own husbands and their family. A lot of educated people and people in higher ranks of society, might go pass this law and share equally between sons and daughters but that's because the sons manage their familis well anyways or the wives usually work themselves. A lot of them might not but that's also because they are trapped in the cultural backwardness. But I think the law is still necessary as long as we have this "men family support, women houswives" mentality in most parts of Iran.

 

[Chinaski]

د
بهروز گفت که زن در کشورهای مسلمان به مقامات بالا نرسیده اند من گفتم در پاکستان بنگلادش سنغال اندونزی سیلان زنها قبل از غرب به مقام نخست وزیری و ریاست رسیده اند
حالا این کشورها هم شرقی هستند هم اسلامی
خوب اگر اندونزی شرقی است یعنی چه یعنی چون شرقی است جزو کشورهای اسلامی حساب نمیشود
بهروز گفت در غرب به همین خاطر من کلمه شرق را بکار بردم
ن


متشکرم

Bebinam martike bisavaad, to kaa key mikhaay hardafe ke baa madrako mantegh dahanet service shode, baaz baa kamaale veghaahat biaay hamoon koso shere ghablito tekraar koni?

Bisavaad, alaan chizi ro tozih nadaadi, dobaare hamoon mozakhrafe eshtebaahi ro balghoor mikoni ke man behet neshoon daadam eshtebaahe. Vaasat esmaaye nakhost vazir haaye gharbi ro aavordam ke ghable az avalin nakhost vazire mosalmoon (Binazir butho 1988) be nakhost vaziri residan. Aakhe martike por roo, in jaryaan enghadr vaazehe, enghadr roshan o saadast ke man moondam to vaaghean, baa kodoom roo hanooz injaa too in thread post mikoni. Baazam ke eyne ye olaaghe nafahm Ceylan ro too liste keshvaraary mosalmoon gozaashti ke!!! Bebinam mage to kherefti? Ceylan ro man vaasat tozih daadam ke keshvare mosalmoon nist, va oon nakhost vaziresham moslamoon naboode. Mosalmoonaa too ceylan yek aghaliat hastand martike! Ajam joonevaraaye ajibi hastid shomaahaa, yani too ye keshvare gheyre mosalmoon ye aghaliate mosalmoon ham zendegi konan oon keshvar mishe mosalmoon? Ajab khengiye in

Boro bisavaad, baazam migam boro motaale kon, maskhare ke hasti, dige bish az in khodeto maskhare nakon.

 

[Chinaski]

کی گفته زن نصف میراث میبره ؟
میخواهی برات از قران ایه بیاورم که زن بیشتر از مرد ارث میبره؟

Aaare bisavaad, man mikhaam. Boro oon aayaro vaasam biaar. Too ghoraan erso miraas faghat too yek soore (al nesaa) va faghat dar 3 Aaye (11,12,176) kholaase shode. Inaaro man mishnaasam. boro oon aayaro biaar ke ghoraan toosh alanan gofte ke zan bishtar az mard ers mibare.

 

[Ali(ISP)]

جناب علی
من همانطور که گفتم در اسلام یک جا مرد بیشتر از زن ارث می برد
در یک جا هر دو به اندازه هم ارثیه می برند یعنی بطور تساوی
در جای دیگری زن بیشتر از مرد ارث می برد
ولی متاسفانه بسیاری امده اند و این ایه ای که در ان ارث مرد بیشتر از زن است را علم کرده اند و در مورد ایاتی که ارث زن بیشتر یا به تساوی مرد است چیزی نمی گویند
و قومی را به گمراهی کشانده اند که بله ارث زن در اسلام کمتر از مرد است

azize man, bala berin paeen biay, this is the rule which is place in iran. In iran, and based on the islamic law, men have twice as much share of whatever is left behind. can u tell me what law they have in kuwait and other arabic countries?

 

[Behrooz_C]

میدونید این مزدور های اشغال مثل گماشته کجا دستشون رو میشه؟ انجای رو میشه که ایران و مشکلاتش براشون مهم نیست. اونجایی رو میشه که چششون رو به همه کثافات کاری ها و مشکلات میبندن و مثل آب خوردن انکار میکنند. این کثافت های بچه آخوند، تا میبینند یک نفر داره انتقاد میکنه به جای اینکه دلشون پرای مملکت خودشون بسوزه، میان میگن خوب در غرب هم فلان هست و بیسار. یعنی این میشه توجیه و با این بهانه و هزار دروغ و انکار حقیقت ها سعی میکنند تا حقایق رو یک جور دیگه جلوه بدن. دلشون که برای ا ون مملکت نمیسوزه. چون منافع شون با منافع رژیم گره خودره میخوان هر جور شده رد گم کنند و سر خود و دیگران رو شیره بمالن. ولی کور خوندن.
یکی نیست بگه آخه مادر به خطا ها، به تو و به ما چیه که تو خارج چی میگذاره. تو خیلی وطن پرستی برو کثافت کشور خودت رو درست کن.

 

[masoudA]

Guys - please......
The issue here is not the destructive cultural effects Islam and Arabs had on Iran - the answer to that question is obvious to anyone over 10.....the question is how much are we infected? Have those of us outside Iran living under American or European cultures been able to adjust ? Are we seeking Hamsars or is the new generation still after a women to sit at home and cook? I know in my generation there are still many who have to run away from their wives/house to have fun - they are almost at a point where they no longer can have any happiness at home. My personal experience is that inside Iran things are much better - mainly because these days mostly dual income families can survive....
Are there still young folks getting married for the sake of wanting kids? This used to be a huge problem amongst the youth of my generation.
There is one thing worst than being married to the wrong woman - that is to have a child with that woman!! Those who bring children into unhappy homes must go straight to hell.

 

[Ardesheer]

azize man, bala berin paeen biay, this is the rule which is place in iran. In iran, and based on the islamic law, men have twice as much share of whatever is left behind. can u tell me what law they have in kuwait and other arabic countries?

GP's expertise is to play with words, twist things, deflect and avoid answering questions. Obviouly, he has had training in Qom. The key is not man and woman, the key is that Quran says a person's son gets twice as much as that person's daughter. I don't care if somewhere GP's Ammeh gets more inheritence than his Amoo. The point is that Quran clearly belongs to the past and cannot be the word of God. How many here are willing to give more to their son than their daughter just based on their sex? That's crazy.

GP- Doesn't a person's son get twice as much as that person's daughter in Quran? Why don't you just answer a straight question instead of playing with the words man and woman?

 

[beystr 2.0]

"THAT, feeling superior to others, is in fact a weakness in OUR culture which doesn't exist in many others. That is something which has contributed a lot in the state of Iran today and something we really should work on. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this to put down our culture. It's very good to be proud of it and we should too! But feeling superior to others, is IMO taking it too far. "

Sly jon..totally the opposite..if I may say so...indeed the superiority of our culture , and I agree.." superior" may not be the best adjective and can have wrong connotations...but Iranian culture's shining part is..it does NOT impose itself on others..never has...Iranian culture is one of the most fluid ones and has great ability to adjust and adopt itself...even in this low period of our culture..wouldn't u say our immigrants tend to add and be good citizens for most part compare to others.?.

 

[beystr 2.0]

and one other thing...

Many would agree that we are going thru a dark period in terms of our culture....

Yet..a man called ...Khatami. a president in a regime we all despise....and say what u will...but indeed that ex president of ours had the best offer among all presidents to the world..and that was .."let's freakin' have a dialogue amongst the civilizations instead of wars.." did anyone even notice..?..lets compare this to the western message...Nato's road map and u see where I'm going..

 

[Sly]

Sly jon..totally the opposite..if I may say so...indeed the superiority of our culture , and I agree.." superior" may not be the best adjective and can have wrong connotations...but Iranian culture's shining part is..it does NOT impose itself on others..never has...Iranian culture is one of the most fluid ones and has great ability to adjust and adopt itself...even in this low period of our culture..wouldn't u say our immigrants tend to add and be good citizens for most part compare to others.?.

beystr jan, how do you know we never imposed our culture on others?? Because after a capturing an area, the king of Iran wrote on a stone, "we left other cultures alone and people could freely practice their own religions"??
and as for immigrants...I don't know where you live but anywhere Iranians have gone, I hear oonjaro be g**h keshidand. From East to west. Don't see the educated and cultured people around yourself man. Please see the whole picture. Again don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down our culture. I think we have a lot of positive things in it which I like a lot and we should be very proud of it but we really need to see its faults and weaknesses as well or else we will never progress.