in one word, akhlagh dar iran soghot karde,people are grudgy, people have anger,they act stupid,they talk nonesense.the other day both kabie and nkunam got involved in unnecessary fight and argue with korean players and referee, today ghalenoee mentioned he is from nazibad? .what does supposed mean? .did nazi-abad did something gloroius in iran recent history, were they part of gilan,azarbyjan and bakhtyiari sepah azadi who overthrew mamad ali shah to establish first mashrotiye ?.
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I just watched the game with one day delay.
Pathetic game by both teams. Actually the game reaffirmed my opinion that jamakarni is a poor coach and PP (which is currently in a deep tactical/psychological crisis) managed to cope with SS. Jamakarani while ageing, is becoming more & more like ali parvin. Score a goal & start defending. I hope he stays in SS because I'm sure with Vingada as our coach we can EASILY beat them next time round. Hanaye Jamkaran digeh rangi nadareh.
This was the best opportunity for ss to beat PP.Look at the PP players missing for this game:
1) Toure
2) Khalili
3) Vaezi (injured, neck problem is killing his career)
As I have always said, predjudice aside, QN has without doubt advanages over most of our league coaches but in asia he is absolutely nobody (same as ali daei).
Pathetic game by both teams. Actually the game reaffirmed my opinion that jamakarni is a poor coach and PP (which is currently in a deep tactical/psychological crisis) managed to cope with SS. Jamakarani while ageing, is becoming more & more like ali parvin. Score a goal & start defending. I hope he stays in SS because I'm sure with Vingada as our coach we can EASILY beat them next time round. Hanaye Jamkaran digeh rangi nadareh.
This was the best opportunity for ss to beat PP.Look at the PP players missing for this game:
1) Toure
2) Khalili
3) Vaezi (injured, neck problem is killing his career)
As I have always said, predjudice aside, QN has without doubt advanages over most of our league coaches but in asia he is absolutely nobody (same as ali daei).
This is a good analysis posted on donyayefootball.com
داربي شصت و ششم تمامي مختصات، شكل و ماهيت يك بازي بزرگ را داشت. جايي كه روح حرفه***اي***گري در برابر قدرت و آمادگي جسماني قرار گرفت. در پايان مسابقه اين گونه حس مي***شد كه پرسپوليس و وينگادا، روح حرفه***اي***گري را به معناي واقعي به فوتبال ما تزريق كرده***اند.
سيستم غافلگيركننده پرسپوليس و آرايش آنها با 1-2-4-3 عملا، استقلال و بسياري از كارشناسان را براي دقايق بسياري از بازي آچمز كرد. در نيمه***اول و به خصوص در جناحين خط طولي بازي قفل شد. اين اتفاق به خودي خود ايجاد شده بود. وينگادا اينطور مي***خواست و عناصر تحت***اختيار او به بهترين شكل ممكن مجري تفكرات او بودند. براي شكل***گيري چنين تفكري پتروويچ و محمد دو مهره آماده بودند كه كاملا حسابگرانه انتخاب شدند.
مهار بازيكن تكنيكي توسط بازيكن تكنيكي، درسي كه در كتاب***هاي مرجع براي مربيگري به كرات به آنها اشاره شده است. پتروويچ، خسرو حيدري را از كار انداخت و محمد راه پيشروي اميرآبادي را سد كرد. در اين شكل از بازي، همه***چيز خود***به***خود به ميانه ميدان كشيده مي***شد. حركات چهار بازيكن روي خط نه شكل طولي، بلكه بيشتر شكل عرضي به خود گرفته بود. در جنگ ميانه ميدان بيشتر از تكنيك، اين قدرت و توان بدني بود كه مي***توانست گره***گشا باشد. جايي كه مربع چهار ضلعي پرسپوليس متشكل از نوري، زارع، باقري و كريمي كاملا سوار بر بدرفتار تكنيكي جباري، جان***واريو و كاظمي شد.
بازي قفل شده مي***بايد اينطور مي***شد. وينگادا اينطور مي***خواست. او با اين تفكر نيمه را به***صورت دلخواه به***پايان برد.
در آغاز نيمه***دوم يك اشتباه از زارع كافي بود تا جباري يك گل فني بزند. وقتي پژمان براي آغاز درگيري به طرف آرش برهاني رفت، زارع جا مانده بود تا جباري با خيالي كاملا آسوده دروازه***بان جوان پرسپوليس را تسليم كند. از اين لحظه به بعد همانطور كه انتظار داشتيم چهره*** ديگري از وينگادا نمايان شد، او با شناخت بيشتر از ياران خودي، شرايط داربي، موقعيت پرسپوليس و نوع فوتبالي كه در زمين اجرا مي***شد، ابتكار عمل را در دست گرفت. تعويض***هاي هوشيارانه، كم كردن يك مدافع در حالي كه او با سه مدافع بازي را آغاز كرده بود و اضافه نمودن بازيكناني با عيار تهاجمي***تر و روحيه درگيرانه و جوان***تر، هر لحظه پرسپوليس را به گل نزديك******تر كرد.
در اين ميان قلعه***نويي، نيز عقب***نشيني نكرده بود. اشتباه او و بازيكنانش دقيقا نقطه مقابل پرسپوليس و وينگادا قرار داشت. استقلالي***ها قوي***تر بودند و صاحب موقعيت***هاي صددرصد گل مي***شدند اما روح حرفه***اي***گري بر اين تيم حاكم نبود. آنها كاملا مبتديانه به برتري با حداقل گل راضي شده بودند اگرچه قلعه***نويي در ظاهر، اينگونه نشان نمي***داد.
خروج پتروويچ به منزله پايان ماموريت او در داربي بود. در حالتي كه حضور اكبري پس از مدت***ها آغاز يك ماموريت جديد و مدافعانه را نشان مي***داد. تعجب نداشت اگر پرسپوليس به گل مي***رسيد. اگرچه براي ثبت اين اتفاق زمان تقريبا زيادي تلف شد. زماني كه همه لحظاتش پر از درس بود. آنها بر خلاف هميشه اصلا دستپاچه نبودند. عجله***اي در كار از خود نشان نمي***دادند، اگرچه بازيكنان اين تيم حسرت موقعيت***هاي از دست رفته را مي***كشيدند ولي در عين حال اين حس را داشتند كه مي***توانند به گل برسند.
در پايان داربي تهران، آنچه كه به نظر مي***آمد يك حسرت نهفته بود. پرسپوليس براي پيروز شدن بايد توان بدني بالاتري مي***داشت. تواني كه به چابكي بايد تبديل مي***شد. پرسپوليسي***ها قدرتمند بودند اما چابك نبودند. در واقع تمامي فرآيند آمادگي جسماني براي اين تيم به اجرا در نيامده بود. صحنه***هايي كه نيكبخت توپ را از دست داد، فقط كسري از ثانيه را مي***خواست جايي كه او عقب مي***ماند و استقلالي***ها با سرعت و چابكي بيشتر توپ را در لحظه آخر مي***زدند. پرسپوليس با اين پيش***زمينه، انتظار روزهاي خوش***تري را مي***كشد. اين تيم در پايان داربي اين حس را القا كرد كه با اندكي تقويت مي***تواند تيمي موفق در جام***حذفي و آسيا باشد. در اين ميان حكايت استقلالي***ها نيز كاملا مشخص است. آنها به يقين، ليگ***برتر را فتح مي***كنند و با همين روحيه صاحب انگيزه كافي در ليگ قهرمانان خواهند بود. وينگادا با پرسپوليس سيستم جديدي را به فوتبال ما هديه كرد. راجع به 1-2-4-3 اين مربي در آينده بيشتر خواهيم گفت و بيشتر خواهيم شنيد.
داربي شصت و ششم تمامي مختصات، شكل و ماهيت يك بازي بزرگ را داشت. جايي كه روح حرفه***اي***گري در برابر قدرت و آمادگي جسماني قرار گرفت. در پايان مسابقه اين گونه حس مي***شد كه پرسپوليس و وينگادا، روح حرفه***اي***گري را به معناي واقعي به فوتبال ما تزريق كرده***اند.
سيستم غافلگيركننده پرسپوليس و آرايش آنها با 1-2-4-3 عملا، استقلال و بسياري از كارشناسان را براي دقايق بسياري از بازي آچمز كرد. در نيمه***اول و به خصوص در جناحين خط طولي بازي قفل شد. اين اتفاق به خودي خود ايجاد شده بود. وينگادا اينطور مي***خواست و عناصر تحت***اختيار او به بهترين شكل ممكن مجري تفكرات او بودند. براي شكل***گيري چنين تفكري پتروويچ و محمد دو مهره آماده بودند كه كاملا حسابگرانه انتخاب شدند.
مهار بازيكن تكنيكي توسط بازيكن تكنيكي، درسي كه در كتاب***هاي مرجع براي مربيگري به كرات به آنها اشاره شده است. پتروويچ، خسرو حيدري را از كار انداخت و محمد راه پيشروي اميرآبادي را سد كرد. در اين شكل از بازي، همه***چيز خود***به***خود به ميانه ميدان كشيده مي***شد. حركات چهار بازيكن روي خط نه شكل طولي، بلكه بيشتر شكل عرضي به خود گرفته بود. در جنگ ميانه ميدان بيشتر از تكنيك، اين قدرت و توان بدني بود كه مي***توانست گره***گشا باشد. جايي كه مربع چهار ضلعي پرسپوليس متشكل از نوري، زارع، باقري و كريمي كاملا سوار بر بدرفتار تكنيكي جباري، جان***واريو و كاظمي شد.
بازي قفل شده مي***بايد اينطور مي***شد. وينگادا اينطور مي***خواست. او با اين تفكر نيمه را به***صورت دلخواه به***پايان برد.
در آغاز نيمه***دوم يك اشتباه از زارع كافي بود تا جباري يك گل فني بزند. وقتي پژمان براي آغاز درگيري به طرف آرش برهاني رفت، زارع جا مانده بود تا جباري با خيالي كاملا آسوده دروازه***بان جوان پرسپوليس را تسليم كند. از اين لحظه به بعد همانطور كه انتظار داشتيم چهره*** ديگري از وينگادا نمايان شد، او با شناخت بيشتر از ياران خودي، شرايط داربي، موقعيت پرسپوليس و نوع فوتبالي كه در زمين اجرا مي***شد، ابتكار عمل را در دست گرفت. تعويض***هاي هوشيارانه، كم كردن يك مدافع در حالي كه او با سه مدافع بازي را آغاز كرده بود و اضافه نمودن بازيكناني با عيار تهاجمي***تر و روحيه درگيرانه و جوان***تر، هر لحظه پرسپوليس را به گل نزديك******تر كرد.
در اين ميان قلعه***نويي، نيز عقب***نشيني نكرده بود. اشتباه او و بازيكنانش دقيقا نقطه مقابل پرسپوليس و وينگادا قرار داشت. استقلالي***ها قوي***تر بودند و صاحب موقعيت***هاي صددرصد گل مي***شدند اما روح حرفه***اي***گري بر اين تيم حاكم نبود. آنها كاملا مبتديانه به برتري با حداقل گل راضي شده بودند اگرچه قلعه***نويي در ظاهر، اينگونه نشان نمي***داد.
خروج پتروويچ به منزله پايان ماموريت او در داربي بود. در حالتي كه حضور اكبري پس از مدت***ها آغاز يك ماموريت جديد و مدافعانه را نشان مي***داد. تعجب نداشت اگر پرسپوليس به گل مي***رسيد. اگرچه براي ثبت اين اتفاق زمان تقريبا زيادي تلف شد. زماني كه همه لحظاتش پر از درس بود. آنها بر خلاف هميشه اصلا دستپاچه نبودند. عجله***اي در كار از خود نشان نمي***دادند، اگرچه بازيكنان اين تيم حسرت موقعيت***هاي از دست رفته را مي***كشيدند ولي در عين حال اين حس را داشتند كه مي***توانند به گل برسند.
در پايان داربي تهران، آنچه كه به نظر مي***آمد يك حسرت نهفته بود. پرسپوليس براي پيروز شدن بايد توان بدني بالاتري مي***داشت. تواني كه به چابكي بايد تبديل مي***شد. پرسپوليسي***ها قدرتمند بودند اما چابك نبودند. در واقع تمامي فرآيند آمادگي جسماني براي اين تيم به اجرا در نيامده بود. صحنه***هايي كه نيكبخت توپ را از دست داد، فقط كسري از ثانيه را مي***خواست جايي كه او عقب مي***ماند و استقلالي***ها با سرعت و چابكي بيشتر توپ را در لحظه آخر مي***زدند. پرسپوليس با اين پيش***زمينه، انتظار روزهاي خوش***تري را مي***كشد. اين تيم در پايان داربي اين حس را القا كرد كه با اندكي تقويت مي***تواند تيمي موفق در جام***حذفي و آسيا باشد. در اين ميان حكايت استقلالي***ها نيز كاملا مشخص است. آنها به يقين، ليگ***برتر را فتح مي***كنند و با همين روحيه صاحب انگيزه كافي در ليگ قهرمانان خواهند بود. وينگادا با پرسپوليس سيستم جديدي را به فوتبال ما هديه كرد. راجع به 1-2-4-3 اين مربي در آينده بيشتر خواهيم گفت و بيشتر خواهيم شنيد.
Haha, well said. Some people don't remember this is the derby we're talking about. If you think one team was going to let the other play football, or that nerves weren't going to get the better of some of the players you're deluded. There was like a foul called every minute. When was the last time Man Utd v Liverpool or any of the top 4 teams in England played each other that was fluid and quality football? Actually, recall the last Barca v Real game...it was crappy and Barca were flattered by 2-0 scoreline.
Credit bedim behesh? Ardy jan, che ghalathayi...credit beh GN?
Sure, in that highlights package alone there are 2 instances of 9 and 10 successful passes (which happen to be highlights merely because they resulted in something being a half chance, who knows how many instances there were when it simply didn't)...and, of course, Karimi couldn't dribble even one player. Your game analysis are starting to become a joke - way too biased. Sarvare harchi longiye (which includes even kam-rangs)...
Credit bedim behesh? Ardy jan, che ghalathayi...credit beh GN?
Sure, in that highlights package alone there are 2 instances of 9 and 10 successful passes (which happen to be highlights merely because they resulted in something being a half chance, who knows how many instances there were when it simply didn't)...and, of course, Karimi couldn't dribble even one player. Your game analysis are starting to become a joke - way too biased. Sarvare harchi longiye (which includes even kam-rangs)...
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I can't believe you guys are arguing over tactics, formation and such nonsense when the real issue is that the match was rigged.
Chandin o chand saale ke mellat ro ba in bazi gozashtand sare kar.
I am mad at myself for wasting my time, again, after promising last time that I never watch this farce again.
in che kermiye ke man daram
Chandin o chand saale ke mellat ro ba in bazi gozashtand sare kar.
I am mad at myself for wasting my time, again, after promising last time that I never watch this farce again.
in che kermiye ke man daram
exactly...if anything, after this game you would bury the Karimi-TM chapter forever. Jabbari was on that day 5times the player Karimi was.
He has turned better, decent is relative. But yes, if you want so, I will give GN credit for teaching Borhani to pass the ball in a counter attack. That makes it GN 1 - Me 20000
He has turned better, decent is relative. But yes, if you want so, I will give GN credit for teaching Borhani to pass the ball in a counter attack. That makes it GN 1 - Me 20000
yeah....alright...in the highlights of the past 5 years, there were 2 instances of 9-10 succesful passes. of course..
Comparing apples with oranges. Even if the football is nervous or whatever you say, both teams have players move around, change positions, try something new, etc. because all coaches react to different situations. Shahrenoie didn't say anything of worth. ANYTHING! He was just outside cussing around and acting tough. He had no other plan though.
Besides, even if say in ManU-Liverpool game the game is not fluid, it's because of the high pressing both teams play. We didn't have any fluidity despite no pressing or anything like that.
As said, try to live with it....after all these years of Ali Asghar football of Perspolis under Parvin and Ebrahimi, you have turned into an apologist for Ali Asghar football 2.0 by Ghalenoie.
Seriously, you are comparing technical problems in a F1 car with gearbox problems of a Peykan. That's just it...
Comparing apples with oranges. Even if the football is nervous or whatever you say, both teams have players move around, change positions, try something new, etc. because all coaches react to different situations. Shahrenoie didn't say anything of worth. ANYTHING! He was just outside cussing around and acting tough. He had no other plan though.
Besides, even if say in ManU-Liverpool game the game is not fluid, it's because of the high pressing both teams play. We didn't have any fluidity despite no pressing or anything like that.
As said, try to live with it....after all these years of Ali Asghar football of Perspolis under Parvin and Ebrahimi, you have turned into an apologist for Ali Asghar football 2.0 by Ghalenoie.
Seriously, you are comparing technical problems in a F1 car with gearbox problems of a Peykan. That's just it...
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Well said mate .
we should have sealed the match had akbarpoor not gone into one of his trances ,he wasted 2 golden chances when we were 1-0 up .
whoever is bashing karimi should realize the guy has been suffering from a back injury and was doubtful for this match ,
have you ever had a back ache ? do you know what it feels like ? now try and imagine playing in a competitive match and become man of the match ,then you may realize what sort of player he still is .
someone said he should lose about 10 kg ! are you guys serious ? he looks in best physical shape ,you are looking at muscles not fat !
Having said all that perspolis coach made an early impact , he seemed to have the right idea of how battle it out against us ,they got lucky in the end with what that useless alizadeh did but we really have to blame ourselves for not taking our chances .
I don't know what Daei saw in Akbarpoor to invite him for team melli ,the guy is at his best good for the league but not even good in a big game like the derby ,he doesn't have the mentality .
I am not sure if I agreed with GNs idea of maintaining a 1-0 lead and play safe , I maybe wrong because I couldn't concentrate on the game fully but it looked to me that way ,correct me if I am wrong .
we should have sealed the match had akbarpoor not gone into one of his trances ,he wasted 2 golden chances when we were 1-0 up .
whoever is bashing karimi should realize the guy has been suffering from a back injury and was doubtful for this match ,
have you ever had a back ache ? do you know what it feels like ? now try and imagine playing in a competitive match and become man of the match ,then you may realize what sort of player he still is .
someone said he should lose about 10 kg ! are you guys serious ? he looks in best physical shape ,you are looking at muscles not fat !
Having said all that perspolis coach made an early impact , he seemed to have the right idea of how battle it out against us ,they got lucky in the end with what that useless alizadeh did but we really have to blame ourselves for not taking our chances .
I don't know what Daei saw in Akbarpoor to invite him for team melli ,the guy is at his best good for the league but not even good in a big game like the derby ,he doesn't have the mentality .
I am not sure if I agreed with GNs idea of maintaining a 1-0 lead and play safe , I maybe wrong because I couldn't concentrate on the game fully but it looked to me that way ,correct me if I am wrong .
فکر می***کنم داربی دوران دنیزلی که ۲-۱ بردیم بهترین دلیل هست که تئوری شما را نقض می***کنه که می***شه از نظر تاکتیکی و فوتبال منطقی*** حتا در داربی هم موفق بود و به قول دنیزلی که گفت باید ۳۴ تا گل به استقلال میزدیم یک فوتبال برتر را در طول ۹۰ دقیقه نشون داد و ۲ تا گل زیبا زد و ۱۱ تا موقعیت گل خلق کرد.
Kaz jan, I guess short of scoring an own goal with his hand, no matter what Heydari does you think he had a "great game"!
I have watched the last two Esteghlal games just to understand your point about Heydari being "the best RB in our football history", and to be honest and fair, he hasn't done more than an average IPL RB, let alone being anywhere hear the legendary Zarrincheh or the like. He did not show anything in his brief showing in TM either. On Friday, he was completely invisible.
I have watched the last two Esteghlal games just to understand your point about Heydari being "the best RB in our football history", and to be honest and fair, he hasn't done more than an average IPL RB, let alone being anywhere hear the legendary Zarrincheh or the like. He did not show anything in his brief showing in TM either. On Friday, he was completely invisible.
I also think Friday game was fixed, perhaps different kind of fixed.
It was fixed because a tie result was acceptable, good or desirable for almost all parties involved.
A tie was desirable result for IFF and Government (City) because of security and socials concerns.
A tie was desirable for both clubs, Managers, coaches and players.
For GN, one less hurdle toward championship a safe passage.
For Vingada / Peyrovani, not losing was a win a good results.
For fans with some exception given risk of not winning versus losing in a derby with all consequence, they reluctantly under current circumstances, a tie was an acceptable option.
All parties involve, direct or indirect, intentional or not participated in this fixed however IFF facilitates it by two important decisions.
1-Selection Iranian Referee (my preference) was to manage the game, not necessarily for favoritism but to make it less eventful and trouble free.
2- Releases & Issuance of Restriction Orders for Security and code of conducts to the players, managers inside or outside of the field with threat of severe punishment with subsequent meeting.
It seems everyone played their role in the fixed
It was fixed because a tie result was acceptable, good or desirable for almost all parties involved.
A tie was desirable result for IFF and Government (City) because of security and socials concerns.
A tie was desirable for both clubs, Managers, coaches and players.
For GN, one less hurdle toward championship a safe passage.
For Vingada / Peyrovani, not losing was a win a good results.
For fans with some exception given risk of not winning versus losing in a derby with all consequence, they reluctantly under current circumstances, a tie was an acceptable option.
All parties involve, direct or indirect, intentional or not participated in this fixed however IFF facilitates it by two important decisions.
1-Selection Iranian Referee (my preference) was to manage the game, not necessarily for favoritism but to make it less eventful and trouble free.
2- Releases & Issuance of Restriction Orders for Security and code of conducts to the players, managers inside or outside of the field with threat of severe punishment with subsequent meeting.
It seems everyone played their role in the fixed