With all due respect Oghab Aziz , I thiink the above is a Clitche that we Iranian like to belive and feel proud of. This is our way of compensating for our failures.
Lets forget about the crimes that happend in Iranian prisons in 60s, what we did to MKO, Chapi , Fadayee, Bahai , Kurd and Baluch Hamvatans and just look at the recent events of passed year or two.
It seems like a segment of our society not only kicks a man, woman and child when they are down, they stump on their head, torture them, rape them with and burn their corps and leave it out for wild animals to eat.
And that is what they did to their Hamvatans who just raised their voices about their votting rights and... So what this group is capable of doing to their enemies then only god knows.
Again, I am not saying all Basiji and Sepah and ... are dirty animals who are capable of these crimes. I know many of them were and are brave soulds who care deeply for Iran BUT we do have these sort of animals among us who are capable of these crimes as well.
As far the stories about the war goes and ... I fully agree with you and I do think ( or atleast like to think) we did follow the ruls more closely and fought more humainly. But I am not convinced that we were perfect angels and did not commit any similar crimes when I know rape and torture was common norm in Evin at the same time.
Lets forget about the crimes that happend in Iranian prisons in 60s, what we did to MKO, Chapi , Fadayee, Bahai , Kurd and Baluch Hamvatans and just look at the recent events of passed year or two.
It seems like a segment of our society not only kicks a man, woman and child when they are down, they stump on their head, torture them, rape them with and burn their corps and leave it out for wild animals to eat.
And that is what they did to their Hamvatans who just raised their voices about their votting rights and... So what this group is capable of doing to their enemies then only god knows.
Again, I am not saying all Basiji and Sepah and ... are dirty animals who are capable of these crimes. I know many of them were and are brave soulds who care deeply for Iran BUT we do have these sort of animals among us who are capable of these crimes as well.
As far the stories about the war goes and ... I fully agree with you and I do think ( or atleast like to think) we did follow the ruls more closely and fought more humainly. But I am not convinced that we were perfect angels and did not commit any similar crimes when I know rape and torture was common norm in Evin at the same time.
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No you shouldn't be Ok with that, but there is another side to this.
If someone asked, Are you OK with these pilots and war criminals going free without any punishment?? What Would you say?
These pilots where never gonna be brought up on any charges and although I disagree with their assassination, but I can surly understand the frustration of those who lost their loved ones at hands of these pilots specially when I think about how these guys were never gonna pay for their crimes in any court of law..
If someone asked, Are you OK with these pilots and war criminals going free without any punishment?? What Would you say?
These pilots where never gonna be brought up on any charges and although I disagree with their assassination, but I can surly understand the frustration of those who lost their loved ones at hands of these pilots specially when I think about how these guys were never gonna pay for their crimes in any court of law..
You want to go after war criminals? They are under your nose. What IR did with the Kurds in the early years of the revolution would have sent anyone to the firing squad. Look what they do to people in full view of cameras, the internet and cellphones. God knows what they did in the war when nobody was around. Besides, how many Iranian pilots did akhunds execute?
I don't understand you guys are discussing this. To me and to every Iranian it should be a relief that Sadam and those murderers are killed.
IRI take care of its own interest. Maybe by killing those pilots thay have thought that those plots can't be used against Iran once again.
We know that they have even used Arabs to crack down iranians during green protests. So they only think of their own survivel. But to us
the events in Iraq is relief. Iraq even used chemical against Iranians.
IRI take care of its own interest. Maybe by killing those pilots thay have thought that those plots can't be used against Iran once again.
We know that they have even used Arabs to crack down iranians during green protests. So they only think of their own survivel. But to us
the events in Iraq is relief. Iraq even used chemical against Iranians.
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Before going after Iraqi war criminals Iranians have to go after akhoonds and their goons who are criminals against their own countrymen/women and humanity as a whole. There is no doubt that some of these guys maybe war criminals but the IR is doing this in their own interest and god knows that they have in the store for Iraq once the Americans leave. They are not killing these pilots for damages to Iran and Iranians rather their own interests. We all know that this disgusting regime destroys Iranian culture and heritage and kills her people. So why would be think for a minute they are actually doing something for the Iranians interests. Plus there are ways to bringing this to the court systems. These bastards kill and torture their own people and I personally do not believe or even feel safe for them going after one soul. One has to keep in mind that even true the pilots were acting based on orders and one can not just justify them killing. Khomeini and crew are as much responsbile for the war as Sadam was.
The Regular Air force during the war did everything it possibly could to avoid civilian deaths. This included flying or using egress/ ingress routes that were heavily defended or different AGL OR ALTITUDES which risked their birds being picked up by Iraqi rafdar systems instead of less defended routes to avoid civilian death on the Iraqi side.Unfortunately iranian attitude to these things are often to patriotic in somecases and yes the brutality od sepah which was all to evident is brushed under the carpet. I used to visit a irandefenseforum, but now it isfull of idiotic kids who ramble on about wanting war war 3 and how the islamic world must standup to this and that. I still communicate with some of the american member( former usaf pilot ) on email, but that place is infested with idiots.
Being in my 40's, i'm more inclined to avoid disscussions with these people because war is the last option and must never be resorted to . Only as the last option.
Being in my 40's, i'm more inclined to avoid disscussions with these people because war is the last option and must never be resorted to . Only as the last option.
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Right. Now we are talking about those pilots that bombed Iran. US would not have punished those pilots. According to the article IRI did. Some suggest it was done by the kurds. Why do we disagree on that subject?
Would you support the punishment of those who killed innocent Iranian people in the war? Yes or NO?
BTW: I will never support a US invasion of Iran. But if they do I will enjoy watching those who killed people in jail, ... punished.
Would you support the punishment of those who killed innocent Iranian people in the war? Yes or NO?
BTW: I will never support a US invasion of Iran. But if they do I will enjoy watching those who killed people in jail, ... punished.
For what it's worth, I'm not even so sure that IR is as involved in this as they're made out to be. By all accounts, they treated the Iraqi POWs decently and far better than Iranian political prisoners. Many Iraqi pilots were shot down and captured during the war. Why would IR all the sudden want to kill them now?
This is more likely part of the bigger internal conflict within Iraq.
This is more likely part of the bigger internal conflict within Iraq.
