Iranian F-4 units in combat by Tom Cooper has an extensive information on the F-4 Tactical fighter squadrons from Tabriz, Hamedan and Busher. The Islamic regime only documents the loyalist like Babbaei and co. The rest were corrupt Taghooti with bad American VALUES. That's their usuall spin to brainwash the idiots.
بیست و دوم اسفند ماه 57، روزی که سینه سپهبد نادر جهانبانی آماج گلوله های اشغالگران شد. ژنرال چشم آبی، خلبان زبده نیروی هوایی ارتش شاهنشاهی ایران، از خلبانان مورد علاقه و نزدیک به پادشاه ، بزرگ ارتشتاران و سرپرست تیم آکروجت طلایی ایران ...با ابهت زیست با شکوه و سینه ای ستبر به صف بزرگان تاریخ و نمادی از سربلندی و شکوه دماوند البرز پیوست. تاریخ ایران در برابر این فرزندانش سر خم می کند.
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It definitley was not a mistake , it was a wise decision to purchase them and they proved their salt in the 8 year war with Iraq .
the decision was made after extensive research and comparison beween F-14 and F-15 . the reason tomcat was picked was becuase it suited our mountanious terrain of Iran where low flying aircrafts flying between mountains can be picked up by powerful radar of F-14 where the F-15 could not do that.
where this expensive aricraft save your country's infrastructure ,plants ,buidings ,refineries and other valuable structures it sure is worth its heavy price tag .
the decision was made after extensive research and comparison beween F-14 and F-15 . the reason tomcat was picked was becuase it suited our mountanious terrain of Iran where low flying aircrafts flying between mountains can be picked up by powerful radar of F-14 where the F-15 could not do that.
where this expensive aricraft save your country's infrastructure ,plants ,buidings ,refineries and other valuable structures it sure is worth its heavy price tag .
That's not what Khatam's deputy for planning says.
He says the Airforce was not consulted and the airforce wanted F15.
and if history of IRan Iraq war shows anything the flight time of F-4, F-5 was massively more than F-14.
today Iran with little equipment is able to still fly F-4, F-5s but F-14 flights have been limited.
more over no other country other Iran or U.S ever used F-14.
I think F-14 after 40 years has proven to be failed plane.
too expensive to maintain. That's why Northrop had a hard time getting rid of them in the 70s
He says the Airforce was not consulted and the airforce wanted F15.
and if history of IRan Iraq war shows anything the flight time of F-4, F-5 was massively more than F-14.
today Iran with little equipment is able to still fly F-4, F-5s but F-14 flights have been limited.
more over no other country other Iran or U.S ever used F-14.
I think F-14 after 40 years has proven to be failed plane.
too expensive to maintain. That's why Northrop had a hard time getting rid of them in the 70s
I recommend to you to go and buy the book '' Iranian f-14 tomcat units in combat '' by tom cooper , you will enjoy reading it and if you go to youtube now there are great documenteries and interviews with Iranian veteran fighter pilots , in one of them one of the piltos precisley explain how f14 radar works to track low flying objects ad why radars in other aircraft of the time like the f-15 could not do that .
I can recall with my limited knowledge of these technical bits he said rradars in fighters like f-15 send a signal out and if those signals hit another object they will bounce back and then the position is tracked by the radar , problem was in Iran you have mountains all over and if you are looking down to track a low flying objects those signals would also bounce back from mountains so you would get a fuzz over your screen as your radar picks up everything ... but with f-14 radar it could differentiate between and object that is moving with a speed of over 200-300 miles and stationery objects and filter them out and only pick up the moving object ... very clever and it works for a country like Iran ... I think he said it was a pulse doppler radar but there are experts on this site who can shed more light on this .
I look to find that video on youtube and post the link .
Iranian f-14 shot down 3 Iraqi fighters with one shot ! have you ever heard anything like that , if that was an american f-14 they would been the greatest fighter pilots ever ! there is a video on youtube with the interview of the crew and how they did it ,can you imagine shooting down 3 fighters with one shot ?
I can recall with my limited knowledge of these technical bits he said rradars in fighters like f-15 send a signal out and if those signals hit another object they will bounce back and then the position is tracked by the radar , problem was in Iran you have mountains all over and if you are looking down to track a low flying objects those signals would also bounce back from mountains so you would get a fuzz over your screen as your radar picks up everything ... but with f-14 radar it could differentiate between and object that is moving with a speed of over 200-300 miles and stationery objects and filter them out and only pick up the moving object ... very clever and it works for a country like Iran ... I think he said it was a pulse doppler radar but there are experts on this site who can shed more light on this .
I look to find that video on youtube and post the link .
Iranian f-14 shot down 3 Iraqi fighters with one shot ! have you ever heard anything like that , if that was an american f-14 they would been the greatest fighter pilots ever ! there is a video on youtube with the interview of the crew and how they did it ,can you imagine shooting down 3 fighters with one shot ?
I found the interview where he explains why Iran purchased the Tomcat ....it was not becuase shah fancied the way it looked or some back handers were given !
http://youtu.be/okkRmj-De2Y
http://youtu.be/okkRmj-De2Y
Khatamis deputy said this on a anti shah documentary on the Islamic regimes TV.. Plus the guy needs to look up his facts. General Khatami actually told iran's first four F-14 pilots who were sent to the united states according to them that the F-14 with it's look down radar which is capeable being used airborne early warning platform an a fighter which has sensors and a radar that can track a target at over a 220 KM distance and engange and lock the target at over 170 KM away and shoot it down before the enemy even sees or detects it is the ideal platform for our country and the Mig-25 platform that was making a nuisance of it self regulary over iran's airspace.
Also our F-14 did something the Israelie and the united states F-15's struggled to do at that time, intercept, lock and scare away the soviet Mig-25 Foxbats recon bombers..the egyption Foxbats were flying over Israeli with pilots from the soviet union with recon mission. The Israelie Eagles never once caught or even were able to track them let alone lock and engage them.Also our F-14's in simulated dogfights with the united states, Britan and Israelie dogfights were shooting down the USAF and the IDA F-15's and the royal britan harriers.
As for the US navy phasing them out, it a decision made by chaney and it was strongly opposed by by the rest of the defense department and the US navy. He ev en saw and admitted it's superiority over the Eagle but with the Hornets(F-18) coming in and because of the fall of the soviet union, he thought the need for a beyond visual fighter like the Tomcat was not needed. Considering the tomcat has a better tighter radius turn in a merge/dogfight with it's veriable swept wings that have 68 degree turning radius which gives it a big advatange over the the Eagle or the newer super Eagle and it was proven in combat to be superior that is why the navy was furious..It was also eating the Iraqi mirages like flies in the war and even the super nimble mig-21's which were giving the israelie F-15's a lot of grief was no match for our Tomcats. the time it was the complete packiage, long rage beyond visual platform which was a mini AWCS and a proven highly agile dogfighter.
I suggest you start researching a bit more instead of watching one anti shah documentary and claimng it as "more I read". Our Tomcats even today can carry a missile named Phoenix AIM-54 that has virtually no limits interms of maneuverability or snapup or down capeability that can target and destroy a enemy at a range beyond visual anything else even today.It;'s weapons envelope is astounding.Over 260 kills in the war with Iraq with the loss of four in combat and two to mechanical failure says no, they were not a failure.The Tomcats frightend the Iraqis so bad that even in desert storm the Iraqis would never go near them and as soon as they foundout a tomcat was around they would flee like they did with us .One of our most decorated war heros Hooshang Sedigh shutdown four mig-23 floggers in one mission. Sarhang Adelli shutdown 3 Mig-23's with one missile.
General Hazin shut down a mig 21 at a distance of over a 100Km's away. those are things other fighters like the eagle can dream of. Shahram Rostami shutdown a foxbat ar over 70 Km's away at close to 73 thousand feet flying Mach 2. That is Twice the speed of sound.Anybody who has flown any plane in combat would tell you how hard that is.
General Zandi is the most successful tomcat ace with over 12 kills. List goes on.
Also our F-14 did something the Israelie and the united states F-15's struggled to do at that time, intercept, lock and scare away the soviet Mig-25 Foxbats recon bombers..the egyption Foxbats were flying over Israeli with pilots from the soviet union with recon mission. The Israelie Eagles never once caught or even were able to track them let alone lock and engage them.Also our F-14's in simulated dogfights with the united states, Britan and Israelie dogfights were shooting down the USAF and the IDA F-15's and the royal britan harriers.
As for the US navy phasing them out, it a decision made by chaney and it was strongly opposed by by the rest of the defense department and the US navy. He ev en saw and admitted it's superiority over the Eagle but with the Hornets(F-18) coming in and because of the fall of the soviet union, he thought the need for a beyond visual fighter like the Tomcat was not needed. Considering the tomcat has a better tighter radius turn in a merge/dogfight with it's veriable swept wings that have 68 degree turning radius which gives it a big advatange over the the Eagle or the newer super Eagle and it was proven in combat to be superior that is why the navy was furious..It was also eating the Iraqi mirages like flies in the war and even the super nimble mig-21's which were giving the israelie F-15's a lot of grief was no match for our Tomcats. the time it was the complete packiage, long rage beyond visual platform which was a mini AWCS and a proven highly agile dogfighter.
I suggest you start researching a bit more instead of watching one anti shah documentary and claimng it as "more I read". Our Tomcats even today can carry a missile named Phoenix AIM-54 that has virtually no limits interms of maneuverability or snapup or down capeability that can target and destroy a enemy at a range beyond visual anything else even today.It;'s weapons envelope is astounding.Over 260 kills in the war with Iraq with the loss of four in combat and two to mechanical failure says no, they were not a failure.The Tomcats frightend the Iraqis so bad that even in desert storm the Iraqis would never go near them and as soon as they foundout a tomcat was around they would flee like they did with us .One of our most decorated war heros Hooshang Sedigh shutdown four mig-23 floggers in one mission. Sarhang Adelli shutdown 3 Mig-23's with one missile.
General Hazin shut down a mig 21 at a distance of over a 100Km's away. those are things other fighters like the eagle can dream of. Shahram Rostami shutdown a foxbat ar over 70 Km's away at close to 73 thousand feet flying Mach 2. That is Twice the speed of sound.Anybody who has flown any plane in combat would tell you how hard that is.
General Zandi is the most successful tomcat ace with over 12 kills. List goes on.
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Northorp makes F-15, F-18 and the orginal F-5's. Grunman is the one who made the Tomcats.The maintanince issue comebacks to khomenies paranoia and killing, purging and forcing iran's best technitions to either flee or be jailed. Once the war started, iran had 71 tomcats in the air in a matter of two weeks with the purged staff/pilots coming back from jail.
If you start actually doing real research and nonexsistent hotair, you would see the first platforms who were in the air after the Iraqi attacks defending iran's sky were the tomcats which some were actually flying upto 12 hour CAP missions over the designated targets.
They were the ones giving top or combat spread cover for the Phantoms and the shorter range Tigers allthroughout the war.
If you start actually doing real research and nonexsistent hotair, you would see the first platforms who were in the air after the Iraqi attacks defending iran's sky were the tomcats which some were actually flying upto 12 hour CAP missions over the designated targets.
They were the ones giving top or combat spread cover for the Phantoms and the shorter range Tigers allthroughout the war.
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F-14 flew for the Navy from 1974 to 2006. This is not a short run by any means. In 1974 the sate of the art was $5 calculator and Ford Pinto. In 2006 we had cellphones, internet, email, laptops and smart phones.That is a heck of a run if you ask me. I am not sure we can put up today the sort of aerial defense our air force put up in 1980.
F-14 usage was very limited in the 1990s by the Navy.
Officially U.S had F-4 in service until mid 1990s but that does not really mean anything.
Even during Iran-Iraq War the overwhelming majority of Iran's work load was handled by F-4.
I know we Iranians have nostalgic feeling about the plane because its beautiful wings.
but the production numbers show a different picture.
Countries like Turkey refused to buy it.
Saudis that throw money at any western armament refused to buy.
That's says a lot about the plane operational capability. (in reality no theory).
The only purpose that F-14 could play for Iran was Intercepting Soviet reconnaissance planes.
by the F-14 Squad was only operation during the first 2.5 years of Iran-Iraq War after that because of maintenance issue.
they had very limited flight time.
Officially U.S had F-4 in service until mid 1990s but that does not really mean anything.
Even during Iran-Iraq War the overwhelming majority of Iran's work load was handled by F-4.
I know we Iranians have nostalgic feeling about the plane because its beautiful wings.
but the production numbers show a different picture.
Countries like Turkey refused to buy it.
Saudis that throw money at any western armament refused to buy.
That's says a lot about the plane operational capability. (in reality no theory).
The only purpose that F-14 could play for Iran was Intercepting Soviet reconnaissance planes.
by the F-14 Squad was only operation during the first 2.5 years of Iran-Iraq War after that because of maintenance issue.
they had very limited flight time.
It was because of our mountanis terrain and the enemy we had that we needed a "look down " radar. We had no real ground based early warning platform based because of the clutter due to all the blind spot caused by the mountanis terrain and as a result we could not get a comprehensive integrated air defense system.We studied and decided the best Course of action was was to get an airborne early warning platform to combat the clutter caused by the terrain.We also orderd 8 E3 awacs as well but khomenie cancelled it.The problem we had and in 1975 the Iraqis did this well in skirmishes with us, they would come into our airspace at just over 500 meters or AGL and fly underneath our radars which already was struggling with blind spots and because our Phantoms had no pulse Doppler radars it meant they could not pick this low flying fighters. So ineffect the Iraqis had the ability to come in and do the common terrain masking manuver and escape our radars and our Phantoms could not pick them up at the low altitude.
The Tomcat now had that capability to detect targets at that altitude even flying at very low speeds like a transport helicopter. The Tomcat was not purchased just to intercept high flying targets but low altitude targets also to which we did regulary in the war.Also why would Saudi need any Tomcats. they are a desert rich country with no blind spots on their radars. no clutter. Plus we needed something like the tomcat to face an soviet onslaught incase of an allout attack because the AWG-9 with the AIM-54 was the only platform that could intercept high flying cruise missiles or bombers.OUR terrain and needs to counter our enemy required us to get the tomcat because of our needs to combat the enemy and it's assets.
As for nostalgia? no it is proven facts. Our tomcats were operating till end of the war when in 1988 Maj Khosrodad faced down 8 flight formation strike packiage of Iraqi fighters and shutdown 3 while forcing the rest to flee all by himself.They were not in full numbers by the end of the war, but that was because of lack of qualified personell and parts.Even if we had the F-15 without parts it would be limited. You're lack of understanding the basics are not helping you're case.
The F-4 did the heavy load beause it's job is to bomb the enemy with in long or short range battlefield interdictions.The Tocmats role was to be the eyes and ears and destroy any incoming fighters be it in strike packiage formation or single formations and it did it's job spectacular fashion. They had two roles.
The Tomcat now had that capability to detect targets at that altitude even flying at very low speeds like a transport helicopter. The Tomcat was not purchased just to intercept high flying targets but low altitude targets also to which we did regulary in the war.Also why would Saudi need any Tomcats. they are a desert rich country with no blind spots on their radars. no clutter. Plus we needed something like the tomcat to face an soviet onslaught incase of an allout attack because the AWG-9 with the AIM-54 was the only platform that could intercept high flying cruise missiles or bombers.OUR terrain and needs to counter our enemy required us to get the tomcat because of our needs to combat the enemy and it's assets.
As for nostalgia? no it is proven facts. Our tomcats were operating till end of the war when in 1988 Maj Khosrodad faced down 8 flight formation strike packiage of Iraqi fighters and shutdown 3 while forcing the rest to flee all by himself.They were not in full numbers by the end of the war, but that was because of lack of qualified personell and parts.Even if we had the F-15 without parts it would be limited. You're lack of understanding the basics are not helping you're case.
The F-4 did the heavy load beause it's job is to bomb the enemy with in long or short range battlefield interdictions.The Tocmats role was to be the eyes and ears and destroy any incoming fighters be it in strike packiage formation or single formations and it did it's job spectacular fashion. They had two roles.
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no brother. your insistence that a plane that no other country ordered was a good plane is strange.
Yes unlike you I am not going to pretend like I know all about fighter air planes or air plane for that matter because frankly I am not aviation engineer.
But this guy clearly does.
[video=youtube;SRO7m0vAuW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRO7m0vAuW8[/video]
Yes unlike you I am not going to pretend like I know all about fighter air planes or air plane for that matter because frankly I am not aviation engineer.
But this guy clearly does.
[video=youtube;SRO7m0vAuW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRO7m0vAuW8[/video]
Go read his book against the Shah.He has a clear agenda. He comes in on a Islamic regime show was to tarnish the shah. I'm sorry this guy is the only person I have ever heard say to outlandish thing. Go read tom coopers book which clearly refutes him and the actually trained on the tomcat also refute this guy.Even if the Shah made the decision by himself, it turned out to be a very good choice.
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Ok Choose to Attack the guy. (by the way they were told these videos are going to be given Harvard such and such studies library)
but any way.
all you need to look at is why F-14 Production was so low! compared to other 4th generation, 3rd generation planes.
why did only two countries order these planes.
ultimately orders is what matters. F-14 never had significant number of orders and that's for a good reason.
a reason that you are willfully ignoring (if you are so informed about planes).
but any way.
all you need to look at is why F-14 Production was so low! compared to other 4th generation, 3rd generation planes.
why did only two countries order these planes.
ultimately orders is what matters. F-14 never had significant number of orders and that's for a good reason.
a reason that you are willfully ignoring (if you are so informed about planes).
have a look at this so called documentary.This was made by the mollahs seda sima and it's branch lenziran which is run by the reg. This is a older version moama shah . Bunch of one sided edited garbage.If Harvrd is going to use this then god help us.All these garbage onesided crap where are mollazadeh friends use it as a facthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNs_ycb1C0
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The General is 100% right. Who the hell is Tom Cooper, a comic publisher! The General Azarberin was the head of the operation. He is 100 correct. Shah's descision was manipulated by the Gruman visit to Iran IN THE ABSCENSE OF KHATAMI since he was AGAINST the purchase. Khatami wanted F-15s. Shah went for it and purchased the F-14 and saved Gruman from bankrupcy. Shah also received a huge commision. Khatami was furious at Shah's descision. Ironicaly, Khatami was not kosher either. He was getting huge commisions on large Airforce purchases that Shah look the other way. Tom Cooper LOL!