Is Assad at the verge and what does his fall mean for Iran?!

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He's right about the rebels being backed by both Turkey and Israel (essentially the US) though, otherwise they would've been crushed with relative ease a long time ago.

This is pretty much Sepah vs. NATO's Basij force. NATO has these insurgency forces all over the world. Sepah also has baby-versions of itself in different Geda-Goshne corners (Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Lebanon, Bosina and Chechen).
The fact that the FSA (Free Syrian Army) is receiving money, arms and all sorts of other help from Turkey, Gulf Arabs and some countries in the West is no secret - there are hundreds of articles about it. And the reasons are more than clear and none of these players have been shy to occasionally hint to it publically - to reduce the influence of Iran and Shiitism in the region. Yes, that's the NATO+Gulf-Arabs vs. Sepah battle that this conflict has become.

But to say that American and Israelis started this whole conflict and are purposely and covertly aiding the Islamist factions of the rebels (particularly the foreign Al-Qaeda linked militants which are not even under the umbrella of the FSA), because they would prefer to have the Taliban [armed with medium range chemical weapons] next door to Israel than a WEAK SECULAR leader like Assad is frankly preposterous! What's even more preposterous is to suggest that the US is the puppet master and Al-Qaeda linked militants and the IR are both puppets of the US and the entire US foreign policy in the past 10 years battling these guys in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere is some elaborate scheme to fool people that are "bisavad" and frankly wouldn't know the difference between Iran and Iraq anyway! I was obviously being sarcastic with my comment and I think our good friend may be suffering from paranoid delusions if he's seeing puppets everywhere and thinks he has uncovered some elaborate and hidden scheme in US foreign policy. Frankly, he's making the Americans sound a lot smarter than they really are! ;)
 
What's even more preposterous is to suggest that the US is the puppet master and Al-Qaeda linked militants and the IR are both puppets of the US and the entire US foreign policy in the past 10 years battling these guys in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere is some elaborate scheme to fool people that are "bisavad" and frankly wouldn't know the difference between Iran and Iraq anyway!
Why Behroujan? Why is that preposterous? What better way to ensure continuous revenue for the arm manufacturers and funding for the military complex?
 
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Why Behroujan? Why is that preposterous? What better way to ensure continuous revenue for the arm manufacturers and funding for the military complex?
If the suggestion is that the US and Israel are doing this because the region will be safer for Israel, that's not going to increase revenue for US arms manufacturers, it will decrease it - that's as far as Israel is concerned. As far as Gulf Arabs are concerned, getting rid of Iranian influence in the region will reduce their incentives to buy US arms. And they (US or Israel) sure as hell aren't going to be selling any arms (of significant value) to Al-Qaeda - those guys love and are trained in Russian and Eastern European hardware and the last bit of ideological cohesion that they have (anti-Americanism) will disappear into thin air if there's the slightest whiff among their fighters that their leadership is buying weapons from the Americans. So, if the US and Israel are doing this to make the region safer for Israel, how's this going to increase arms sales and who will be buying them?

On the other hand, if the suggestion is that instability and a Taliban style regime in Syria is NOT in the interest of Israel and the US and for that reason the Americans are helping the Syrian opposition and the FSA (not the Islamists) to insure that they and not the Russians (or Iranians) have a role in a future Syria and from now on a secular stable Syrian government will open all trade channels with them, then what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Not to mention that the post conflict construction contracts alone would make arms sales look like the sales of a street vendor!. I'm in total agreement with that 2nd suggestion and that's pretty much the common view among people who are familiar with the nitty gritty details of the Syrian situation.

Does that make sense?
 
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But to say that American and Israelis started this whole conflict and are purposely and covertly aiding the Islamist factions of the rebels (particularly the foreign Al-Qaeda linked militants which are not even under the umbrella of the FSA), because they would prefer to have the Taliban [armed with medium range chemical weapons] next door to Israel than a WEAK SECULAR leader like Assad is frankly preposterous!
This is the same line of thinking that says the US INTENTIONALLY removed the Shah and installed Khomeini and has been reaping the benefits of it ever since. Green belt and all. Would the US prefer a Jordan-like regime in Syria or a Taliban? Anyone who thinks the latter is pushing an agenda, which is preservation of Assad. As for the infiltration of AQ in Syria, the war isn't over. They will be stopped.
 

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Why Behroujan? Why is that preposterous? What better way to ensure continuous revenue for the arm manufacturers and funding for the military complex?
Listen, the biggest arms sales have occurred during peace time. This notion that you need wars to sell arms is bogus. Besides, if military spending was such a boon to the economy, I don't see that. It has been 10 years and trillions of dollars transferred to the "military-industrial complex" and unemployment is highest it has ever been. Lockheed is 95 bucks a share but Google is over 800. Which one do you wish you owned?
 
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As for the infiltration of AQ in Syria, the war isn't over. They will be stopped.
I hope so bro. Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention Libya) are not setting a good precedence.

Listen, the biggest arms sales have occurred during peace time. This notion that you need wars to sell arms is bogus. Besides, if military spending was such a boon to the economy, I don't see that. It has been 10 years and trillions of dollars transferred to the "military-industrial complex" and unemployment is highest it has ever been. Lockheed is 95 bucks a share but Google is over 800. Which one do you wish you owned?
At the end of the day, we're living in a capitalist world and everyone's gonna try and make an extra buck and not be shy or secretive about it. But overall, and in all fairness to the US, the type of democratic societies and civil institutions they'd like to see instilled in these countries, promoted competition and in no way guarantees long term contracts with American companies - just like the Iraqis go out to tender internationally and sell their oil exploration rights to the Chinese. I'm in no way suggesting that foreign policy of Western countries is perfect, but it's hell of a lot better than foreign policy of Assad or the IR.
 

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I hope so bro. Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention Libya) are not setting a good precedence.
Other than news of car bombs very little is coming out of Iraq. I don't have a good sense of what is going on there. However, if indeed Al- Qaeda had returned in the numbers that you might be suggesting, we would have heard about it. Let me add this. Saddam in his later years was clearly on a path to form an alliance with Iran. They were buddy buddies toward the end. Imagine a Middle East with Iran and Iraq with all their resources in energy, manpower and military bonding together. Now you'd have to worry about two nuclear states and virtually impossible to crack. Dealing with a handful of left over AQ in Iraq is a piece of cake in comparison.
 

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What exactly is conspiracy theory? Basically every news or theroy that you cant verify yourself has got to be a conspiracy theory. Based on this simple fact, you are just believing in the theories of the mainstream, while i do believe in those sources who question those mainstream conspiracy theories and provide facts and logical conclusions to deny them. Thats the only difference between me and you. You need two "breaking news" from CNN to be convinced of the truth of a certain news, while i dont believe those two lines of CNN and ABC are credible enough to be relied on and the history of manipulations in this regard, is actually proving me right. The multimedia is investing milliards of dollars to achieve exactly this state which you guys are in: Just discredit everything that opposes the mainstream by calling them "conspiracy theory". Well, i say, whenever you want to know about the truth or atleast the closest thing to truth, you inevitably HAVE to pay attention to those so called "conspiracy theoristst".
 
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^^^ There are plenty of GREAT non-mainstream sources for information and of course they should be used (along with mainstream sources from all side... SANA, RTP, AFP, Reuters, AP, Xinuha, DW, hell even Press TV) in drawing any conclusions as long as they're based on facts and evidence. The problem with conspiracy "theorists" is that they often ignore facts and start dabbling into assumptions or imaginative thinking/reporting - hence making them "theories". Here's a good read on a non-mainstream and now famous "reporter:


How Brown Moses exposed Syrian arms trafficking from his front room

Matthew Weaver
Thursday 21 March 2013
Guardian.co.uk


Eliot Higgins has no need for a flak jacket, nor does he carry himself with the bravado of a war reporter. As an unemployed finance and admin worker his expertise lies in compiling spreadsheets, not dodging bullets. He has never been near a war zone. But all that hasn't stopped him from breaking some of the most important stories on the Syrian conflict in the last year. His work on analysing Syrian weapons, which began as a hobby, is now frequently cited by human rights groups and has led to questions in parliament. Higgins' latest discovery of a new batch of Croatian weapons in the hands of Syrian rebels appears to have blown the lid on a covert international operation to arm the opposition. And he's done it all, largely unpaid, from a laptop more than 3,000 miles away from Damascus, in his front room in a Leicester suburb.

Behind the tulip-patterned lace curtains, among the discarded toys belonging to his toddler daughter, a new video has just popped into his inbox. It appears to shows Croatian weapons, believed to have been smuggled to Syria with the collusion of the west, in the hands of jihadi fighters, who are increasingly leading the fight against Bashar al-Assad's government. Higgins' weapons-spotting eye is immediately drawn to two tubes next to a large gun. The detail suggests that any US attempts to vet which groups get such arms are failing. Pointing at the screen, Higgins says: "Those are rocket pods for the M79 Osa Croatian rocket launcher. And what's even more interesting is this YouTube channel belongs to Ansar al-Islam, which is a jihadi organisation. That group shouldn't be getting those weapons."

Higgins, 34, has no training in weapons, human rights research or journalism – he dropped out of a media studies course at university. But his work is being taken up by everyone from Amnesty International to the New York Times. He is amused to be referred to as a weapons expert. "Journalists assume I've worked in the arms trade," he says, "But before the Arab spring I knew no more about weapons that the average Xbox owner. I had no knowledge beyond what I'd learned from Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rambo." Higgins initially operated on chatrooms and comment threads under the pseudonym Brown Moses. His online avatar – taken from one of Francis Bacon's paintings of a screaming pope – was often the first to appear in the comments section on the Guardian's daily Middle East live blog. Each day he would do verbal battle below the line with online trolls, conspiracy theorists and fellow Arab spring obsessives. The name Brown Moses, taken from a Frank Zappa song, has led to confusion about his identity. "It makes some people think I'm black and Jewish – I've even been racially abused. I've been accused of all sorts of things online: CIA, MI5, MI6, Mossad, Bilderberg group." Partly to avoid such suspicions, he no longer conceals his identity and has emerged into the open, where he is being hailed as something of a pioneer.

The conflict in Syria has been extremely difficult and dangerous for conventional media organisations to cover. But the slew of YouTube footage from citizen journalists has opened up a new way of monitoring what's happening for those such as Higgins who are dedicated and meticulous enough to sift through it. "Brown Moses is among the best out there when it comes to weapons monitoring in Syria," says Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch, who worked with Higgins to document the use of cluster bombs in Syria. He represents an important development in arms monitoring, which used to be the domain of a few secretive specialists with access to the required and often classified reference materials. "He'd be the first to admit that he is obsessive compulsive in his attention to details. He gets his facts right, and has become an indispensable resource."

The New York Times veteran war reporter CJ Chivers, author of The Gun: the story of the AK47, says fellow journalists should be more honest about the debt they owe to Higgins' Brown Moses blog. "Many people, whether they admit or not, have been relying on that blog's daily labour to cull the uncountable videos that circulate from the conflict," he says. Chivers acknowledged that Higgins was on to the Croatian arms story weeks before the New York Times. He and Higgins then worked together to develop the story, with Chivers rooting out extra details about how the weapons were financed. In a blogpost about the genesis of the report, Chivers wrote: "Thank you, Eliot, for your patience, and your fine eye, and for creating an opportunity for merging new and old forms of reporting into a fresh look at recent events."

Higgins goes through about 450 YouTube channels from Syria every evening. The list includes uploaded footage from activists, rebel brigades and Islamist groups, as well as from Assad supporters and state TV footage. "If EastEnders isn't on I get straight on the laptop. On a good night when nothing much has been posted, it will take me an hour and a half, but I've been looking more closely recently." Recent activist footage claimed to show the remains of a Chinese-made cluster bomb at the scene of a bombing. Drawing on his online network of fellow weapons-spotters and translators, Higgins established that it was in fact a bicycle pump. "If I started putting out rubbish I'd know about it pretty quickly, because of the audience that follows me," he says. "The success of the blog feeds the compulsion," Higgins says. "If I had the chance I do it for 16 hours a day. When I'm sat on a bus I'll be checking Twitter looking for footage of planes being shot down. When cluster bombs were first used I couldn't sleep. It was about midnight and I saw this video of these bomblets spilt on the floor with their casings. I had to research it. You have to be first and you have to be right."

Since then, Higgins has put together a database of 491 videos of cluster bombs being used across Syria, together with map references and details of the type of weapons used. He has had more time to do this since being made redundant from his day job last October. The organisation he was working for lost a government contract to house asylum seekers to the security firm G4S. "None of my jobs have been relevant to the work I'm doing now," he says. "The closest I got to Syrians was telling asylum seekers where they were being picked up. The advantage I've got is time and the fact I've been going through them for a year or so." Higgins' wife's job behind the counter at the local post office helps pay the bills. "My wife sees me doing all this work and thinks I should be getting paid for it. But I'm doing it because I see stuff that isn't being reported in the mainstream media and want to record it."

He says his approach is no substitute for traditional war reporting but it can help tell the story. "This can't replace journalists on the ground," he says. "They take amazing risks and do an incredible job. But this work can direct them. "I don't think many people would have picked up on Croatian weapons in Deraa because there weren't journalists in that area. It may never have been noticed. It was only because I was on the lookout for interesting looking rocket launchers." What we have learned about Syrian weapons via Brown Moses:

• Cluster bombs were first spotted by Higgins in summer of 2012 and used extensively used from October. The Syrian government denies they exist in Syria, but Higgins has developed a database of almost 500 videos documenting the use of cluster bombs, which are banned in most countries.

• Reports of DIY barrel bombs being thrown out of helicopters were initially dismissed as "baloney" by a Russian military expert. Extensive and clear footage unearthed by Higgins suggests otherwise.

• The proliferation of shoulder-launched heat-seeking missiles known as Manpads. Most recently Higgins has documented Chinese-made FN6 Manpads in the hands of rebels fighting around Aleppo.

• A cache of weapons from the former Yugoslavia was first noticed by Higgins at the start of this year in the hands of rebel groups fighting in the southern province of Deraa. The weapons were financed by Saudi Arabia with the knowledge of the US, subsequent reports alleged.

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Two potentially major developments:

1 - Some rumours have been circulating for the past 24 hours that Assad was shot by his Iranian bodyguard. Some say he has been hospitalized, others say he was killed. No confirmation from any major news sources yet. Will keep you posted. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3031/bashar_assad_shot_by_his_own_bodyguard

2 - The rebels have been attacking Umayyad square with mortars and rockets in the past few hours. Umayyad is right in the centre of Damascus, a mile from the presidential palace and is surround by security buildings, the state broadcaster and other civilian buildings. The state broadcaster seems to have been the target of the attack. Apparently, the rebels have moved into a new neighbourhood about a mile from the square and are attacking from there. The commander of the FSA has also survived an assassination attempt, but lost a leg: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/26/w...tral-damascus-square-at-least-one-killed.html

 

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Loool ;)

yeah, they certainly do everything to keep up the fighting morals of those foreigners and al qaida terrorists. Btw, that attack on Ummayah sqaure they say they have used rocket launchers.That means they are not in the city and not very close to it either. Its easy to throw missiles from launchers. However no body seems to quetion the targets! lol, those terrorists fire missiles on cities and hit civilians while the multimedia is blaming Assad of killing his own civilians in the most ridiculous situations!!!

Albateh oon toori ke man irooni haa ro mishnaasam agar ham kessi bokoshatesh aakharesham ye irooni mitoone baashe ke noonesho mikhore o az posht behesh khanjar mizaneh. In too khoone maa iraniaast. Afshin ham haminkaar ro baa babak khoramdin kard :)
 
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Mibini hassan? Farghe Assad baa mollaa haaye iroonito mibini? Too syria hanoozam ensaan haaye zibaa o taro tamiz miran akhbar migan. To dar asl baayad tarafdaare oon salafi haa baashi, oonaa eyne shomaa haa aasheghe booye gand o risho pashman.
 

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Army Units Continue Operations Against Terrorists in Several Areas



PROVINCES,(SANA)- Army units on Sunday eliminated terrorists who were committing acts of looting and intimidating the citizens in Armala Town in Jisr al-Shughour in Idleb Countryside.

A source told SANA reporter that another unit of the armed forces has destroyed gatherings of terrorists in several areas in Binnish and al-Nairab towns and inflicted heavy losses upon them.

The army destroyed a trapped vehicle with a suicidal terrorist driving it in the area of Wadi al-Daif in Idleb countryside.

A source in the province told SANA reporter that the soldiers opened fire on the car before it reached a military checkpoint.

The source added that the army targeted terrorists' hideouts in the areas of Kifr Najd, Nahla and Kureen and killed scores of them.
 

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Mibini hassan? Farghe Assad baa mollaa haaye iroonito mibini? Too syria hanoozam ensaan haaye zibaa o taro tamiz miran akhbar migan. To dar asl baayad tarafdaare oon salafi haa baashi, oonaa eyne shomaa haa aasheghe booye gand o risho pashman.
Wahabists and Salafists are danger for Shia influence, no Shia will ever side with NATO salafists
 
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Loool ;)
yeah, they certainly do everything to keep up the fighting morals of those foreigners and al qaida terrorists. Btw, that attack on Ummayah sqaure they say they have used rocket launchers.That means they are not in the city and not very close to it either. Its easy to throw missiles from launchers.
There's a difference between missiles and rockets/mortars - the former has a propulsion system, the latter does not. The typical range for most mortar/rocket launchers is 1-3 km.
 

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There's a difference between missiles and rockets/mortars - the former has a propulsion system, the latter does not. The typical range for most mortar/rocket launchers is 1-3 km.



Targeting Terrorists' Dens, Eliminating A Number of Them in Several Areas

Mar 25, 2013


PROVINCES,(SANA)- An army unit on Monday destroyed a number of terrorist groups' hideouts and gatherings in Billa Village in Lattakia Countryside.

A military source told SANA reporter that two stores of weapons and ammunition were destroyed completely and all the terrorists inside them were either killed or injured.

The source added that another army unit destroyed a rocket launch pad in al-Rahmalieh Village used by the terrorists in their attacks against the citizens of the area as a number of the terrorists were killed including snipers of non-Syrian nationalities.

Army Destroys Explosive Devices Store, Eliminates Terrorists in Joubar and Daraya

Units of the armed forces have carried out a series of the qualitative operations against the armed terrorist groups in Joubar Neighborhood in Damascus Countryside during which a store of explosive devices was demolished.

An official source told SANA reporter that during the operations a number of the terrorists were killed including Hisham Zynati, Samir Ameen and a terrorist nicknamed "Abu Mahmud Sadiq".

In Daraya, army units continued to pursuit the terrorists near the train station and at the surrounding area of al-Sayyeda Sukaina Shrine, in addition to al-Jamait Neighborhood as a number of the terrorists were killed.

Armed Forces Prevent Terrorists' Attempt to Detonate IEDs in Aleppo

Armed Forces unit prevented an attempt by terrorists to detonate explosive devices planted in an apartment complex under construction in al-Hamadaniye area in Aleppo.

Heavy Losses Inflicted upon terrorists in Homs

An army unit on Sunday confronted terrorists who attempted to attack the second oil pump station to the east of Palmyra in Homs countryside, inflicting heavy losses upon the terrorists.

A military source told SANA that most of the terrorists were killed and injured, as their weapons and ammunition were destroyed.

The source added that other army units targeted terrorists' gatherings in al-Ganto, Kissin, al-Dar al-Kabira, Ebel, al-Bouyda, al-Daba'a and al-Hamidyeh , killing a big number of them, injuring others and destroying their criminal tools.

Army Direct Strong Blows to Terrorists in Idleb

Army units destroyed terrorist groups' gatherings with all weapons and ammunition inside in Idleb countryside, killing many of the terrorists.

A military source told SANA that several terrorists were killed and many others were injured in al-Nayrab, Maqran, Sarmin, Binnish, Kfaroujin, Majdalya, Touom, Taftanaz, Helles and Sahl al-Rouj towns, as their weapons were also destroyed.

Army units also foiled terrorists' attempt to detonate five explosives, whose weights range from 40 to 50 kg, planted in Orom al-Joz and Kfar Shalaya villages in the Province.

Terrorists Killed and Injured during Military Operation in Hama

An army unit carried out an operation to the south of Teibat al-Emam town in Hama, destroying a number of vehicles, some of which equipped with machineguns, that were used by terrorists in their attacks.

A source in the province told SANA that a leader of a terrorist group from the Jabhat al-Nusra called Abi al-Bara'a al-Jazrawi was killed during the operation in addition to the terrorists Abi al-Nasr, Abi Hassan, Abi Bahaa from his group. Other terrorists were injured including a terrorist group leader called Abi Alleith.

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Targeting Terrorists' Dens, Eliminating A Number of Them in Several Areas
I thought Assad was in control of all of Syria and was about to crush the rebels a few weeks ago. So, now you're conceding that the rebels were (are) everywhere, including Lattakia and in neighbourhoods of Damascus and Aleppo?

The problem with SANA or PressTV or all the other news sources you like to refer to is that they don't report any of the rebel advances, so you don't hear they were in Jobar (since a month ago) or in Latakia (which is even new to me), until the regime kills a few of them in those areas and people like you get all excited that Assad is being successful. No, my friend! The fact that the rebels infiltrated these areas in the 1st place suggests that Assad is anything, but in control of Syria!