islam & quran or ghoran or whatever you would like to call it !!!

Aryo Barzan · Jul 27, 2010

What is jahanam but an invention of a crooked mind of Jewish usurpers to scare people in the arabian peninsula.

Also, Sasanid mobeds (akhounds), put the fear of jahanam in the heart of the people so they donate more to temples and fill their pockets. This percipitated to Christianity and Islam.

Dante taking a walk with virgil in the nine circles of hell, what an overworking imagination those people had. I guess with lack of TV, internet and toilet paper, they had to do something with their time.

What a redicilous idea...

Jahanam is on earth when you go on a date with a girl that has sent you pictures that are five years old and once she shows up she is 250 lbs.
Jahanam is Man united losing to Chelsea.
Jahanam is Spain wining another competition.

well said, you will see hell and heaven right here according how you treat other people I had a surgery 3 years ago and couldnt believe how much help and love I got from my friends that was heaven in another case I know some one that is struggling right now but is all alone and cant find anyone to trust him I am pretty sure what he is going through is worse than hell and the best example is what you used Man U loosing to Chelsea, LOL.

beystr 2.0 · Jul 27, 2010

The emergence of new modern 24 hr media must have done some good for mankind..although I can NOT think of any at the moment…but beside raising the stress level of people who keep up with news and training people to understand everything in 1 line or small paragraph ..what it’s done IMO is..to distract the population from the REAL issues and have them busied with the side issues ( Hashie..).
For example..Instead of a genuine debate over the demands or goals of the TEA PARTY movement...its concentrated on the side issues like spokesmen/women and association of racism with it..even it appears dumb or racist lets argue what their demands are..don’t u think..?

The_Referee · Jul 28, 2010

deerouz said:

Zoroastrianism could be not as old. But the concepts such as Satan, hell etc. go back to [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_Mythology"]Sumerian Mythology[/ame]'s “Aralu”, Mithraism etc.

You may also note that most of Judaic texts we see today are not as old as they claim and they too are at most 2600-2700 years old.

Hell was not only thing they borrowed from the East. The main Jewish theme of monotheism is also borrowed from the East.

Might have watched this already but watch it in full if you have not:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-96hNrPcGg"]YouTube- The Bible Unearthed Part 1- 1[/ame]

Bible (Turah) stories were heavily influenced and changed by ideas and concepts from Mesopotamea and Persia while and after they were exiled and after they were let go by Cyrus. For them Mesopotamea, Egypt and Persia was like what West is for us today. So out of awe, they either tried to put those civilizations down as evil or praised them in awe, depending on which did what to them. You see them condemning Babelon and Egypt like no one and attribute God's wrath on them (with no or little backing of archeology of most of their stories) whereas they praise Cyrus to a prophet like figure.

I think their Solomon kingdom was nothing but what they yearned to have instead of Persian empire and their wrath on Egypt and Babelon made that Exodus fiction and the Nimrod story while in fact their whole kingdom never went beyond the holy land and they had never set foot in Egypt and met Queen of Shiba. I am sure if we had the same passion for recording and writting as they had, our Shahnameh would have been a more popular read and our Rostam and Sohrab would have been told as if it was a real event instead of David and Golaith!

You can see the same human sentiment among us 3rd worlders. You see a lot of people from 3rd world countries try to take refuge in old glories and dug out as much glory as possible to prove they are worthy nation and they can do. If you are an Arab you talk about glories of Islam and Saladin. If you are a Persian you keep reminding yourself and others about Achaemenids and Sassanids and if you are a Turk you talk about how Turks followed grey wolf out of Central Asia and conquered half the known world. Jews in those times, on the other hand, had little history to rely on. So they invented all those big stories and made them divine and sacred over the time.

ashtar · Jul 28, 2010

Zed e' Engelab said:

Here we go again some great scholar on this board discovering one verse out of thousands in Koran and posting it out of context or without the verses before or after it as irrefutable proof of the violent nature of Islam. Here's why your post is ridiculously misguided and ignorant.

1) You seem to have confused Islam with the TV Evangelist portrayal of Christianity. Nowhere in history of Islam has anyone ever claimed either the God of Islam (Allah) or the teachings of Koran or its prophet to be purely peaceful and forgiving. When and where have you ever seen a Muslim claim that if someone slaps you in the face you should turn the other cheek? In fact Muslims take pride in the fact that their religion unlike many passivist religions and schools of thought teaches them to stand up and fight back against oppressors and injustices in the world and their communities. But at the same time the same religion encourages those in position of power to choose forgiveness instead.

2) If you had bothered to read Koran like a true scholar, instead of copy and pasting one liners from different sites, like a child plagiarizing a school project, you would have known that Koran itself describes its content as both warning/threat and promise/forgiveness. Sura Al-Ahzab (vs 45):

ياايها النبی اناارسلناک شاهداً و بشيراً و نذيراً وداعياًا لی الله باذنه وسراجاً منيراً

ای پیامبر، ماتو راشاهد و مژده رسان و بیم دهنده فرستادیم

O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and a Warner

So given the above statement from Koran would it be any surprise if one finds verses which are less than hugs and kisses?

3) In the same Sura (Maeda) the verse right after what has been posted (verse 39) leaves the door open for repentance and forgiveness. But I guess you either didn't bother reading any further or did and intentionally left it off!

فَمَنْ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهِ وَ أَصْلَحَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

And again in the same Sura (verse 32) it says:

أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَ مَنْ أَحْيَاهَا

فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people

You show me a world or a society where there won't be any person wanting more than his/her fair share and where no one would break the accepted laws and I too will show you a set of laws that would not have any contingency for those breaking the law.

4) You and those ruling in the name of Islam these days forget the Koranic orders to the rulers, those in position of power and wealth, and the general public and think it's OK to pick and choose one or two orders while ignoring the rest. The order to cut the hand of a thief is in the context of the rest of society including the rulers having been ordered to give to charity, help the poor and needy in society and to be honest and fair in business deals and to be just and equal in applying the rules. In such a society where there are support mechanisms in place for the truly needy and then someone chooses to be a thief as a profession or when someone like Bernard Madoff (in a modern day example) who has millions and still chooses to swindle even charities out of their money then that's when the order to cut the hand of the thief come in to play. Not when the society and the rulers ignore every other order of Koran and then choose the part about cutting the hand off while ignoring the very next line which forgives those who repent.

keyvan_pars · Jul 28, 2010

ashtar said:

Here we go again some great scholar on this board discovering one verse out of thousands in Koran and posting it out of context or without the verses before or after it as irrefutable proof of the violent nature of Islam. Here's why your post is ridiculously misguided and ignorant.

1) You seem to have confused Islam with the TV Evangelist portrayal of Christianity. Nowhere in history of Islam has anyone ever claimed either the God of Islam (Allah) or the teachings of Koran or its prophet to be purely peaceful and forgiving. When and where have you ever seen a Muslim claim that if someone slaps you in the face you should turn the other cheek? In fact Muslims take pride in the fact that their religion unlike many passivist religions and schools of thought teaches them to stand up and fight back against oppressors and injustices in the world and their communities. But at the same time the same religion encourages those in position of power to choose forgiveness instead.

2) If you had bothered to read Koran like a true scholar, instead of copy and pasting one liners from different sites, like a child plagiarizing a school project, you would have known that Koran itself describes its content as both warning/threat and promise/forgiveness. Sura Al-Ahzab (vs 45):

ياايها النبی اناارسلناک شاهداً و بشيراً و نذيراً وداعياًا لی الله باذنه وسراجاً منيراً

ای پیامبر، ماتو راشاهد و مژده رسان و بیم دهنده فرستادیم

O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and a Warner

So given the above statement from Koran would it be any surprise if one finds verses which are less than hugs and kisses?

3) In the same Sura (Maeda) the verse right after what has been posted (verse 39) leaves the door open for repentance and forgiveness. But I guess you either didn't bother reading any further or did and intentionally left it off!

فَمَنْ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهِ وَ أَصْلَحَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

And again in the same Sura (verse 32) it says:

أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَ مَنْ أَحْيَاهَا

فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people

You show me a world or a society where there won't be any person wanting more than his/her fair share and where no one would break the accepted laws and I too will show you a set of laws that would not have any contingency for those breaking the law.

4) You and those ruling in the name of Islam these days forget the Koranic orders to the rulers, those in position of power and wealth, and the general public and think it's OK to pick and choose one or two orders while ignoring the rest. The order to cut the hand of a thief is in the context of the rest of society including the rulers having been ordered to give to charity, help the poor and needy in society and to be honest and fair in business deals and to be just and equal in applying the rules. In such a society where there are support mechanisms in place for the truly needy and then someone chooses to be a thief as a profession or when someone like Bernard Madoff (in a modern day example) who has millions and still chooses to swindle even charities out of their money then that's when the order to cut the hand of the thief come in to play. Not when the society and the rulers ignore every other order of Koran and then choose the part about cutting the hand off while ignoring the very next line which forgives those who repent.

آخه بگیم حالا منم مسله شما خرم و میگم خدا وجود داره
مگه مادر جنده دیوانه بود ته یک عرب دزد بچه باز رو نازل کنه
یک دیوس بی هم چیز که وقت تو زندگیش به فکر شکم و زیر شکم بود

عقلت رو به کار بنداز یا هم اینکه تا آخره عمرت الاغ بمون.

lordofmordor · Jul 28, 2010

Ashtar, if that is what you believe, then why do you worship a god of bitter, hate, and revenge?

What is the difference between your god and Hitler, Changhiz, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Stalin, etc? They were all men of hate who either were worshipped or killed if their laws were not followed. They were very compassionate to people who served them. I can see how the followers of your god can rape, kill, torture since that is what their god talks of doing too.

The creator of this universe, would not be a one of hate and revenge but one of love and compassion. It will not be one who wants to be worshipped and only then will have compassion. That is a dictator and we have had many.

ashtar said:

Here we go again some great scholar on this board discovering one verse out of thousands in Koran and posting it out of context or without the verses before or after it as irrefutable proof of the violent nature of Islam. Here's why your post is ridiculously misguided and ignorant.

1) You seem to have confused Islam with the TV Evangelist portrayal of Christianity. Nowhere in history of Islam has anyone ever claimed either the God of Islam (Allah) or the teachings of Koran or its prophet to be purely peaceful and forgiving. When and where have you ever seen a Muslim claim that if someone slaps you in the face you should turn the other cheek? In fact Muslims take pride in the fact that their religion unlike many passivist religions and schools of thought teaches them to stand up and fight back against oppressors and injustices in the world and their communities. But at the same time the same religion encourages those in position of power to choose forgiveness instead.

2) If you had bothered to read Koran like a true scholar, instead of copy and pasting one liners from different sites, like a child plagiarizing a school project, you would have known that Koran itself describes its content as both warning/threat and promise/forgiveness. Sura Al-Ahzab (vs 45):

ياايها النبی اناارسلناک شاهداً و بشيراً و نذيراً وداعياًا لی الله باذنه وسراجاً منيراً

ای پیامبر، ماتو راشاهد و مژده رسان و بیم دهنده فرستادیم

O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness, a Bearer of Glad Tidings, and a Warner

So given the above statement from Koran would it be any surprise if one finds verses which are less than hugs and kisses?

3) In the same Sura (Maeda) the verse right after what has been posted (verse 39) leaves the door open for repentance and forgiveness. But I guess you either didn't bother reading any further or did and intentionally left it off!

فَمَنْ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهِ وَ أَصْلَحَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

And again in the same Sura (verse 32) it says:

أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَ مَنْ أَحْيَاهَا

فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people

You show me a world or a society where there won't be any person wanting more than his/her fair share and where no one would break the accepted laws and I too will show you a set of laws that would not have any contingency for those breaking the law.

4) You and those ruling in the name of Islam these days forget the Koranic orders to the rulers, those in position of power and wealth, and the general public and think it's OK to pick and choose one or two orders while ignoring the rest. The order to cut the hand of a thief is in the context of the rest of society including the rulers having been ordered to give to charity, help the poor and needy in society and to be honest and fair in business deals and to be just and equal in applying the rules. In such a society where there are support mechanisms in place for the truly needy and then someone chooses to be a thief as a profession or when someone like Bernard Madoff (in a modern day example) who has millions and still chooses to swindle even charities out of their money then that's when the order to cut the hand of the thief come in to play. Not when the society and the rulers ignore every other order of Koran and then choose the part about cutting the hand off while ignoring the very next line which forgives those who repent.

beystr 2.0 · Jul 28, 2010

"The emergence of new modern 24 hr media must have done some good for mankind..although I can NOT think of any at the moment…but beside raising the stress level of people who keep ..."

LOL..sorry guys..I's looking for this post and looks like I posted it under the wrong thread...consider it a comment on the TEA Party thread please..

Zed e' Engelab · Jul 28, 2010

آقایون جریان این بابا، همان مثل قدیمی*** خودمون هستش که میگه،

خریّت نه تنها علف خوردن است

Motori · Jul 29, 2010

The_Referee said:

I beg to differ Referee jAn,
Your comment is based on inaccurate comparison because by no means you can call islam a religion, because its not.

It is a cult, a staunch political party with religious veneer.
No religion will ever regulate every second of your life like how should you:
wash yourself in the bathroom
have courtship with your spouse
who you can sleep with, who you can not
how to die
how to get married or divorce
how to have babies
how to take shower
how to work
how to sleep
how to fight
how to have sex with farm animals and what to do after
how to interfere in other people's private lives
how to "legally" lie through your tooth

on,,,and,,,on,,,and on.

Even in quran (aka the best instruction manual for hatred, mass murder, lie, treachery, bigotry, rape, sodomy, misogyny .................) allah claims that the party of god is the only one which will prevail. Here:

فاّن حزب الله هُم الغا لبون

If you ask me what a religion should act like i would say Buddhism and or Hinduism.

The_Referee · Jul 29, 2010

Motori said:

Motori Jaan,

I beg to differ my friend. I think, with a mob like those in charge of our government, they could have come up with same stuff even if Hinduism or Budhism was our official religion.
Just look at how BJP in India is using Hinduism to incite hatred to gain political advantage! I know they might not be as good as mullahs yet. But be sure hadn't it been for the safeguards Brits left in Indian system, they would have surely proven their skills.

Also if you look at our own Zoroasrian texts, they do have all the above you listed in them. So Mobeds of Sassanids did the same as mullahs of our time. In fact, I think most of stuff in Islam, like HEIZ or NEFAS or how to do this or that, are some sort of adaptations from Zorostrianism, and not so surprisingly by Persians like Ghazali etc. Arabs were too uneducated to devise all those sorts of rules. Again, I rever you to the book of contracts in book of Vendidad where women is considered as an object of contract and flogging is considered punishments:

http://www.avesta.org/vendidad/vd4sbe.htm

44. If men of the same faith, either friends or brothers, come to an agreement together, that one may obtain from the other, either goods31, or a wife32, or knowledge33, let him who desires goods have them delivered to him; let him who desires a wife receive and wed her; let him who desires knowledge be taught the holy word,

(32) Woman is an object of contract, like cattle or fields: she is disposed of by contracts of the fifth sort, being more valuable than cattle and less so than fields. She is sold by her father or her guardian, often from the cradle. 'Instances are not wanting of the betrothal of a boy of three years of age to a girl of two' (see Dosabhoy Framjee's work on The Parsees, p. 77; cf. 'A Bill to Define and Amend the Law relating to Succession, Inheritance, Marriage, &c.,' Bombay, 1864).

34. O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man smite another so that the blood come, what is the penalty that he shall pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'Fifty stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, fifty stripes with the Sraosho-charana;

'The second time, seventy stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, seventy stripes with the Sraosho-charana;

'The third time, ninety stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, ninety stripes with the Sraosho-charana;

35. If a man commit that deed for the fourth time, without having atoned for the preceding, what penalty shall he pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'He is a Peshotanu: two hundred stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, two hundred stripes with the Sraosho-charana.'

36. O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man smite another so that the blood come, and if he refuse to atone for it, what penalty shall he pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'He is a Peshotanu: two hundred stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, two hundred stripes with the Sraosho-charana.'

37. O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man smite another so that he break a bone, what is the penalty that he shall pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'Seventy stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, seventy stripes with the Sraosho-charana;

'The second time, ninety stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, ninety stripes with the Sraosho-charana;

38. If he commit that deed for the third time, without having atoned for the preceding, what penalty shall he pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'He is a Peshotanu: two hundred stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, two hundred stripes with the Sraosho-charana.'

39. O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man smite another so that he break a bone, and if he refuse to atone for it, what is the penalty he shall pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'He is a Peshotanu: two hundred stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, two hundred stripes with the Sraosho-charana.'

40. O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man smite another so that he give up the ghost, what is the penalty that he shall pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'Ninety stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, seventy stripes with the Sraosho-charana;

41. If he commit that deed again, without having atoned for the preceding, what is the penalty that he shall pay? Ahura Mazda answered: 'He is a Peshotanu: two hundred stripes with the Aspahe-ashtra, two hundred stripes with the Sraosho-charana.'

Ramin · Jul 29, 2010

This is a religion that claims a person can reach God by being a Muslim.
I don't think anyone can reach even humanity through a religion that considers half of humanity (women) worth half of the rest of the humanity, let alone God!

^İNDİANA JONES^ · Jul 29, 2010

ı saw this thread 2 days ago but since ı had no time to read this verse ı couldn t able to write anything about this.

there is a so simple answer for that verse about cutting hands.there is no need to judge this verse with only reading one verse.you should always reading following verses too.

----------------after this verse in maide 39 it is written-------------

س هر كه بعد از ستم‏كردنش توبه كند و به صلاح آيد خدا توبه او را مى‏پذيرد كه خدا آمرزنده مهربان است

so no need to judge like that with one verse.also dont forget, quran always says that we have to be update ourselves with today. when you read its all you can figure out it easily.

REGARDS

^İNDİANA JONES^ · Jul 29, 2010

vakhti be ye mazhabi gir midim hich dast avardi az in ghaziye nadarim.all religions are valuable for me because as quran says-------------------------(maide 48)

و ما اين كتاب [=قرآن] را به حق به سوى تو فرو فرستاديم در حالى كه تصديق‏كننده كتابهاى پيشين و حاكم بر آنهاست پس ميان آنان بر وفق آنچه خدا نازل كرده حكم كن و از هواهايشان [با دور شدن] از حقى كه به سوى تو آمده پيروى مكن براى هر يك از شما [امتها] شريعت و راه روشنى قرار داده‏ايم و اگر خدا مى‏خواست‏شما را يك امت قرار مى‏داد ولى [خواست] تا شما را در آنچه به شما داده است بيازمايد پس در كارهاى نيك بر يكديگر سبقت گيريد بازگشت [همه] شما به سوى خداست آنگاه در باره آنچه در آن اختلاف مى‏كرديد آگاهتان خواهد كرد

www.near-death.com (everyone will find god with its own method)so please dont judge anybody for its opinion.

http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/تجربه_نزدیک_به_مرگ

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience[/ame]

http://www.hamshahrionline.ir/news-74971.aspx

http://pishgo.ir/2010/01/20/dead-2/

http://www.fekreno.org/Arfek91.htm

İSLAM,CHRİSTİANİTY,JUDAİSM,BUDİSM AND ALL OTHER RELİGİONS ORDER TO DO GOOD THİNGS.LOTFAN HARFAE AKHUNDAE AZ KHODA Bİ KHABARARO DALİL O BAHOONE GARAR NADİN.CHON DİN O MAZHABE VAGEİ ASLAN YE CHİZE DİGEST...

^İNDİANA JONES^ · Jul 29, 2010

keyvan_pars · Jul 29, 2010

aghayoon e mohtaram,

een nezhad o maslak farhang va esaalat e maraa be naboodi keshand. For 14 centuries we have backpaddling in the streets of history starting from the evil invasion of Sassanid Empire by these savages.

why are we even polluting the board discussing this redicilous, savage, primitive ideology from which only mayhem and blood has resulted.

I wonder to what length can humans go to paper wrap SHIT to sell it ???

baba nemikhaheem, na aslam mikhaheem, na mamad, na ghoran. Keep it for yourselves.

roozi 5 baar dola raast beshin be tarafe Stratosphere (by the way the earth is round so you are not pointing to Mecca when you namaaz you are pointing to Fazaa),
dola rast beshin, rooze beigirin, khoms o zakaat bedin o bad ham vaghti mordeen badanetoono mesle baghiye kerm mikhoreh o yavash yavash ostokhoonetoon haytoon ham mipooseh.

vaghan ke az maast ke bar maast.

^İNDİANA JONES^ · Jul 29, 2010

keyvan_pars said:

keyvan jan har chand ke dar in mored ekhtalafe nazar darim ma baham vali be khatare ineke hamishe ye irani tamam ayar hasti o ba gheyrat hasti o mokhalefe in pofyuza hasti kheily kheily dustat daram.(hamchonin zede enghelab o ramin o amsale in mobarezane vagei ba gheyratam shamele in harfam hastesh ke alan esmeshuno nabordam)

vali bavar konid ba doshmanie din rah be jai nemibarim hich vakht.mardome ma midunin ke chegad khar mazhabian.pas vakhti yaru akhunde behesh barmigerde migeke emam zaman gharare felan felan zamani zohur kone, be khatere ineke qorano ye baram destesh nagerefteke begire bekhune bavar mikone dige!!va natijesham darim ma mibinim dar sharayete konuni tu iran.

dast ghat mikonan,sangsar mikonan,be fekre inanke moge raftan be dast shooi aval ba pae rast beran dakhel ya chap, yaru ta be samte tokhmash rishasho boland mikone ke savab kasb kone va amsale incherto perta baes shod ke ma hamemun fek konim ke ina tu qoran oomade.vali dar suratike chonin nist.

age goran doshmane iran o irooni bud esm az ZOLGARNEYN nemibordke be nazare tamame olema eslami in zolgarnayn be joz KUROSHE KABİR nistesh.hamun kasi ke tue tovratam esmesh vojud dare.dar zamn yadetun nare MOHAMAD HİJ VAJ ARAB NABUD.BENİ ESRAİLİ HASTESHKE ASLESH ESRAİLİE.

dar zamn dar rabate ba dola rast shodanam be tore mokhtasar mitunam behet begam ke salulhae adam moge sajde enerjie khasi be birun paksh mikone be khatere ineke khune magz kamalan be jaryan miyofte in enerjihaham be khatere ghanune jazebe be taraf dobare bar migarde.inam asle namaz hastesh ke be tore elmi behet goftam.

vali baziha ham az sob ta shab namaz mikhunan khoda khoda mikonan o 8 bar be make miran vali mibineke taraf hamun dayusieke ghablanam bude.shayad bataram shode taze. eletesham ineke taraf hata moge ebadatam dar fekrhae manfi bude va in fekrae manfi be khatere ghanune jazebe be taraf dobare barmigarde...

dar surate lozum, badan shayed dobare mofasel tozi midam.

^İNDİANA JONES^ · Jul 29, 2010

for 14 centuries be khatere ineke quran ejra nemishe ma oftadim tu in badbakhti.badaz mohamad hich vakht eslame vagei ejra nashod.eslame yazid az un vakht ta hala ejra mishe vali motasefane hame fek mikonanke in eslame nabe mohamadieke pedare irano iriniaro dar avorde.

masoudA · Jul 29, 2010

"Holly Book" is the biggest lie in the history of mankind.
Don't waste your time on a lie.

keyvan_pars · Jul 29, 2010

^İNDİANA JONES^;822662 said:

please allow me a few hours to get home from work i will read your post thoroughly and put my input.

Always a pleasure having a discussion with you, always a learning process.

lordofmordor · Jul 29, 2010

Where in Qoran says to advance with time. Have heard that before from others. That by itself will make Qoran obsolete. So, the 1 god, puts out his book to give instruction 1400 years ago, then says advance with time and now you are on your own? I will never give you guys any updates?

i was in a debate one time where someone took out the Qoran and kept reading the lines that said that there will be others coming with information that will amount to what is marjah taghalid. He kept reading the line and the believers kept on coming up with reasons that could mean something else.

We dont need Qoran to tell us to advance with time. The universe is expanding, is dynamic, and not absolute. There is nothing absolute about it. A 1400 years old book cannot possibly be able to explain it. It cannot be explained. New part of the world, and therefore world is being created.

We dont need so many mosques and churches and religious clerics and others having to work so hard to keep people believing in their philosophy.

God's words are in front of you in everyday as the world expands. It is in the living and dying, and it is within you. No book is needed. No religion is needed. Nature is the religion and the book of god.

^İNDİANA JONES^;822645 said:

islam & quran or ghoran or whatever you would like to call it !!!

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