بله جناب
در سطح وسیعی و جهانگیری اسلام روزبروز در بین جوانان گسترش می یابد
شما فقط به جریانات این چند ده سال نگاه کن
دقیقا نگاه کن
تنها به افراد دور و برت نگاه نکن
قبلا مثلا حجاب در بین مسلمانان همه گیر نبود بجز پیر زن ها و مادر بزرگها کمتر دیده می شد دختری حجاب داشته باشد
الان اینطور نیست
قبلا جوانان برای رسیدن به ارمانهای سیاسی یا به مارکسیسم یا به مکاتب سکولار دیگر روی می اوردند
الان همین انقلاب ها و شورشهایی که در جهان عرب میشود اگر نگوییم همه انها اکثریت انها تفکر اسلامی و اسلام گرا هستند
از یمن و بحرین گرفته تا مصر و سوریه و لیبی
شما از یک طرف میگویید که افرادی مانند حسنی مبارک و قذافی و بشار الاسد که تظاهر کنندگان را قلع و قمع می کنند
ترور و وحشت ایجاد میکنند
واین تظاهر کنندگان بیچاره با دست خالی در مقابل گلوله قرار می گیرند و از طرف دیگر میگویید اسلام فقط با زور مانده
اگر تظاهرات در مصر و یمن و سوریه که از طرف اسلامگرایان است را تروریسم قلمداد کنیم پس باید قبول کنیم حسنی مبارک و بن علی و بشار اسد
ضد تروریسم هستند و حق با انهاست
حالا شما بفرمایید ما قسم حضرت عباس را قبول کنیم یا دم خروس
این نظر شماست و کیوان پارس
فعلا که اسلام روز بروز در حال گسترش است و نه تنها رفرم نمی شود بلکه معیارهای فرهنگی غرب تجزیه کرده است
حداقل در کشورهای مسلمان
بروید و تاریخ و فرهنگ و تاثیر فرهنگ غرب بر کشورهای منطقه را در شصت هفتاد سال اخیر بررسی کنید
می بینید که در حالی که در پنجاه سال پیش این فرهنگ یعنی فرهنگ غربی در کشورهای اسلامی سیری صعودی داشته بعد از چند ده سال سیر نزولی پیدا کرده است
و هم اکنون در سیری نزولی بسر میبرد
و مصداق ان همان حجاب بود که برایتان مثال زدم
از اتا تورک و رضا شاه گرفته تا حبیب بورقیبه که کشف حجاب کردند تا الان خواهید دید که این سیر نزولی ادامه دارد
در سطح وسیعی و جهانگیری اسلام روزبروز در بین جوانان گسترش می یابد
شما فقط به جریانات این چند ده سال نگاه کن
دقیقا نگاه کن
تنها به افراد دور و برت نگاه نکن
قبلا مثلا حجاب در بین مسلمانان همه گیر نبود بجز پیر زن ها و مادر بزرگها کمتر دیده می شد دختری حجاب داشته باشد
الان اینطور نیست
قبلا جوانان برای رسیدن به ارمانهای سیاسی یا به مارکسیسم یا به مکاتب سکولار دیگر روی می اوردند
الان همین انقلاب ها و شورشهایی که در جهان عرب میشود اگر نگوییم همه انها اکثریت انها تفکر اسلامی و اسلام گرا هستند
از یمن و بحرین گرفته تا مصر و سوریه و لیبی
شما از یک طرف میگویید که افرادی مانند حسنی مبارک و قذافی و بشار الاسد که تظاهر کنندگان را قلع و قمع می کنند
ترور و وحشت ایجاد میکنند
واین تظاهر کنندگان بیچاره با دست خالی در مقابل گلوله قرار می گیرند و از طرف دیگر میگویید اسلام فقط با زور مانده
اگر تظاهرات در مصر و یمن و سوریه که از طرف اسلامگرایان است را تروریسم قلمداد کنیم پس باید قبول کنیم حسنی مبارک و بن علی و بشار اسد
ضد تروریسم هستند و حق با انهاست
حالا شما بفرمایید ما قسم حضرت عباس را قبول کنیم یا دم خروس
این نظر شماست و کیوان پارس
فعلا که اسلام روز بروز در حال گسترش است و نه تنها رفرم نمی شود بلکه معیارهای فرهنگی غرب تجزیه کرده است
حداقل در کشورهای مسلمان
بروید و تاریخ و فرهنگ و تاثیر فرهنگ غرب بر کشورهای منطقه را در شصت هفتاد سال اخیر بررسی کنید
می بینید که در حالی که در پنجاه سال پیش این فرهنگ یعنی فرهنگ غربی در کشورهای اسلامی سیری صعودی داشته بعد از چند ده سال سیر نزولی پیدا کرده است
و هم اکنون در سیری نزولی بسر میبرد
و مصداق ان همان حجاب بود که برایتان مثال زدم
از اتا تورک و رضا شاه گرفته تا حبیب بورقیبه که کشف حجاب کردند تا الان خواهید دید که این سیر نزولی ادامه دارد
Hmmm...this is an interessting discussion...not necessarily the subject of this discussion (sorry mass) but the discussion thats coming out of it.
Three members in my opinion have said things that hit the nail on its head: Sporthead, Gomaashte and Beystr. The rest of doostaan have been right more or less aswell but a combination of posts of these three members answers alot of questions.
According to Sporthead Islam has turned to the religion of poor and uneducated. Right. Islam has the ability to gather up a big number of dumb, poor, uneducated, belittled, ignorant, agressive and difficult people who for whatever reason feel some kind of inferiority overagainst other people. Alot of them are full of hate towards something and someone, islam gives them a hope to strike back, some day. Islam gives them the right to make war on those people, to kill them, in the name of god without having any kind of azaab vojdaan. This kind of religion is hard to reform, hard to change because those who believe in it are mostly backward third worlders who here and there just happened to become rich but not mentally and culturally but just financially.
Then comes Gomaashteh and tells us about a trend which is right: This region is not turning its back to islam at all. People are fighting secular dicators to somehow replace them with something more islamic albeit they actually dont know what higher forces have planned for them but they prefer islam over guys like assad, saddam or ghaddafi who are moslems aswell but they are not allowing islam to intervene in state matters which however is ironically something unislamic because islam clearly wants to be a part of everything from koon shostanet too towaalet taa masaaele siaasi o ejtamaai o farhangi. This islam, with this kind of background and foundation is a gift to superpowers because they are usefull here and there to provoke wars and havoc, they make them earn good money by selling and testing their weapons around the world to rich cowards like kuwait, qatar or saudis who first bought weapons because they were afraid of saddam then started to buy weapons because they are afraid of Ahmadinejad..these guys are gold for the americans and their allies, so you always need a puppet to keep these rich arabs to be afraid of something and the contracts will flow. Most importantly is though that the threats of this kind of selfconstructed enemy is very limited because they have to do with a dumb and technologically absolutely inferior enemy. They can bring them up, they can change direction of their anger, they can topple them when they dont need them... its gold. Islam is on the rise and not falling. Not because islam and moslems are getting united and stronger, no but because higher forces are using them as dumb tools in this region and therefor they still let them flourish.
Beyster now comes up with another interessting aspect though. Actions of one important mullah might be decisive. Temptation is high to believe in this thesis as the western world could have easily be back 500 years if it wasnt for Kepler and Newton. Two decisive persons,maybe three, were responsible for a progress of 500 years in a short period of time. Yek jaheshe bozorg be vojood aavordan inaa. But then again, those guys were no theocrats (kepler was a theologist aswell) they were great thinkers and scientists. A change based on words of a mullah is not worth a shit aslong as that mullah speaks it up as a mullah and not as a civilian. That gets me to the conclusion that the key to change is still education. In islamic world logics and common sense somehow, somewhere has to find a little room to flourish, somehow somewhere inbetween this mess, some bright things have to develope. In my opinion we are far far away from seeing something like that happen but who knows, go to lagoons and you will see the most beautiful water lilies to raise their head out of the dirtiest part of lagoon and where the mud is more intense.
My conclusion: You cant reform islam just like the christians didnt reform christianity. They just silentely pushed it back to churches and made it become irrelevant in their daily lifes. An independent educational scientific movement has to start somewhere in islamic world without involving itself in religious matters. They just need to do their thing like the europeans did: Just do researches, just do focus on science and do an honest job and after a few generations, step by step people will find out the truth about all these khoraafaat all by themselves, more and more people will slightly forget about religion and stuff like that. To be honest, we are a few hundred years away from this kind of process though.
Three members in my opinion have said things that hit the nail on its head: Sporthead, Gomaashte and Beystr. The rest of doostaan have been right more or less aswell but a combination of posts of these three members answers alot of questions.
According to Sporthead Islam has turned to the religion of poor and uneducated. Right. Islam has the ability to gather up a big number of dumb, poor, uneducated, belittled, ignorant, agressive and difficult people who for whatever reason feel some kind of inferiority overagainst other people. Alot of them are full of hate towards something and someone, islam gives them a hope to strike back, some day. Islam gives them the right to make war on those people, to kill them, in the name of god without having any kind of azaab vojdaan. This kind of religion is hard to reform, hard to change because those who believe in it are mostly backward third worlders who here and there just happened to become rich but not mentally and culturally but just financially.
Then comes Gomaashteh and tells us about a trend which is right: This region is not turning its back to islam at all. People are fighting secular dicators to somehow replace them with something more islamic albeit they actually dont know what higher forces have planned for them but they prefer islam over guys like assad, saddam or ghaddafi who are moslems aswell but they are not allowing islam to intervene in state matters which however is ironically something unislamic because islam clearly wants to be a part of everything from koon shostanet too towaalet taa masaaele siaasi o ejtamaai o farhangi. This islam, with this kind of background and foundation is a gift to superpowers because they are usefull here and there to provoke wars and havoc, they make them earn good money by selling and testing their weapons around the world to rich cowards like kuwait, qatar or saudis who first bought weapons because they were afraid of saddam then started to buy weapons because they are afraid of Ahmadinejad..these guys are gold for the americans and their allies, so you always need a puppet to keep these rich arabs to be afraid of something and the contracts will flow. Most importantly is though that the threats of this kind of selfconstructed enemy is very limited because they have to do with a dumb and technologically absolutely inferior enemy. They can bring them up, they can change direction of their anger, they can topple them when they dont need them... its gold. Islam is on the rise and not falling. Not because islam and moslems are getting united and stronger, no but because higher forces are using them as dumb tools in this region and therefor they still let them flourish.
Beyster now comes up with another interessting aspect though. Actions of one important mullah might be decisive. Temptation is high to believe in this thesis as the western world could have easily be back 500 years if it wasnt for Kepler and Newton. Two decisive persons,maybe three, were responsible for a progress of 500 years in a short period of time. Yek jaheshe bozorg be vojood aavordan inaa. But then again, those guys were no theocrats (kepler was a theologist aswell) they were great thinkers and scientists. A change based on words of a mullah is not worth a shit aslong as that mullah speaks it up as a mullah and not as a civilian. That gets me to the conclusion that the key to change is still education. In islamic world logics and common sense somehow, somewhere has to find a little room to flourish, somehow somewhere inbetween this mess, some bright things have to develope. In my opinion we are far far away from seeing something like that happen but who knows, go to lagoons and you will see the most beautiful water lilies to raise their head out of the dirtiest part of lagoon and where the mud is more intense.
My conclusion: You cant reform islam just like the christians didnt reform christianity. They just silentely pushed it back to churches and made it become irrelevant in their daily lifes. An independent educational scientific movement has to start somewhere in islamic world without involving itself in religious matters. They just need to do their thing like the europeans did: Just do researches, just do focus on science and do an honest job and after a few generations, step by step people will find out the truth about all these khoraafaat all by themselves, more and more people will slightly forget about religion and stuff like that. To be honest, we are a few hundred years away from this kind of process though.
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بله، قدرت اسلام دو چندان شده و مسلمانان به قدرت رسیده اند. تنها مشکلی که این جماعت برای ابر قدرت مطلق شدن در جهان دارند گرسنگی که اون هم از طریق توصل به صدقه های کفار غربی داره حل میشه
این گرسنگی و خشکسالی چه ربطی به اسلام دارد
من میگویم اسلام در بین جواانان و نسل جدید گسترش یافته جنابعالی برای من از قحطی و خشکسالی در صومال و اتیوپی و کنیا می نویسید ؟
جناب
این یک واقعیتی است که دارد اتفاق می افتد با فرو کردن سردر برف نمی توانید این حقیقت را رد کنید
در مصر اسلام گرایان
در یمن اسلامگرایان در لیبی اسلامگرایان
در سوریه و بحرین و اردن و مغرب و الجزایر هم اسلامگرایان هستند که دارند بساط را از زیر پای روسا می ربایند
حالا شما بیا و بگو دروغ است
خوب وقتی حتی به اخبار روز گوش نمی کنی و اگر گوش کنی نمی فهمی و نمی توانی تجزیه و تحلیل کنی من چه بگویم
حالا گفتی سپاه ایران از مکه و مدینه به مصر حمله کرده گفتیم نمی دانی و خبر نداری تاریخ نخوانده ای و داستان مال دو هزار سال پیش بوده
ولی این اخبار که مال امروز است
چطور هنوز نمی توانی درک کنی که اسلامگرایان دارند در خاورمیانه به قدرت می رسند ؟!!!ا
عجب
این یک واقعیتی است که دارد اتفاق می افتد با فرو کردن سردر برف نمی توانید این حقیقت را رد کنید
در مصر اسلام گرایان
در یمن اسلامگرایان در لیبی اسلامگرایان
در سوریه و بحرین و اردن و مغرب و الجزایر هم اسلامگرایان هستند که دارند بساط را از زیر پای روسا می ربایند
حالا شما بیا و بگو دروغ است
خوب وقتی حتی به اخبار روز گوش نمی کنی و اگر گوش کنی نمی فهمی و نمی توانی تجزیه و تحلیل کنی من چه بگویم
حالا گفتی سپاه ایران از مکه و مدینه به مصر حمله کرده گفتیم نمی دانی و خبر نداری تاریخ نخوانده ای و داستان مال دو هزار سال پیش بوده
ولی این اخبار که مال امروز است
چطور هنوز نمی توانی درک کنی که اسلامگرایان دارند در خاورمیانه به قدرت می رسند ؟!!!ا
عجب
For religions that is true. All 3 are same bull-shit man made. However, as for the prophets themselves, Muhamad was much closer to Moses. Where Jesus much closer to easter philosophy. Muhamad and Moses proclaimed an absolute god with great vengence for revenge and torture if not worshipped. Jesus proclaimed a god of universe where it comprised of everyone. God, a mustard seed that becomes a tree. Up to 30 years old there is no mention of Jesus as he was in India and Egypt. Christianity only knows him of his last 4years of his life and the stories about his birth.
That is why Judaism and Islam cannot be reformed as their prophets were absolute. Whereas Jesus was a different man, one who did not believe in absolute god nor absolute religion. He never proposed a religion and therefore never wrote a book. It is well described in the Gospel of Thomas that was buried to destroy but was found much later. That is why Christianity is constantly challenged and its followers able to get it out of it thanks to Jesus.
That is why Judaism and Islam cannot be reformed as their prophets were absolute. Whereas Jesus was a different man, one who did not believe in absolute god nor absolute religion. He never proposed a religion and therefore never wrote a book. It is well described in the Gospel of Thomas that was buried to destroy but was found much later. That is why Christianity is constantly challenged and its followers able to get it out of it thanks to Jesus.
کاملا درست است تیمسار جان. ولی شما با اینهمه تجربه حتما این ضرب المثل تاریخی را فراموش نکرده اید که "فواره چون بلند شود، سرنگون شود"
Islamists gaining power would be their downfall. It will show the naked face of their totalitarianism to the ignorant masses of their country and will open the eyes of the people, as has happened with Iran.
Well but its too easy to explain the rise of islam in this region with the rise of a simple favaareh. The rise and fall of favaareh is irrelevant while the rise of islam is not. In favaareh eslaam vaghti boland shavad taa sar negoon shodanesh mellionhaa ensaan o chandin generation az beyn khaahand raft. Hamchin chize jaalebi nist in favaareh.
دیروز جان
من فراموش نکرده ام این یک ترند تاریخی است و می دانم این روزی سیر نزولی را خواهد پیمود در این حرفی نیست
ولی ما اکنون در مورد حال بحث میکنیم
که جناب مسعود بر خلاف وقایع حال چیزی گفتند و من حال را مثال زدم والا هنوز خر نخریده که افسارش را نمی بندند
در مورد ایران هم که گفتید انوقتی حرف جنابعالی صحت پیدا خواهد کرد که یک حکومت سکولار در ایران روی کار اید والا اینکه بگویید در ایران مردم اسلام را کنار گذاشته اند
حرفی بس گزاف است
حتی بسیاری از ان عده که با رژیم مخالف هستند اسلام را قبول دارند
و اندسته که نه رژیم را قبول دارند و نه اسلام باز می دانند که اسلام در ایران فعلا حرف اول را می زند
والا دو سال پیش برای سرنگونی رژیم نمی رفتند پارچه سبز ببندند و الله و اکبر سر دهند و وا اسلاما شعارشان باشد
و رهبرشان عکس ایت الله خمینی را روی میز قاب کند
من فراموش نکرده ام این یک ترند تاریخی است و می دانم این روزی سیر نزولی را خواهد پیمود در این حرفی نیست
ولی ما اکنون در مورد حال بحث میکنیم
که جناب مسعود بر خلاف وقایع حال چیزی گفتند و من حال را مثال زدم والا هنوز خر نخریده که افسارش را نمی بندند
در مورد ایران هم که گفتید انوقتی حرف جنابعالی صحت پیدا خواهد کرد که یک حکومت سکولار در ایران روی کار اید والا اینکه بگویید در ایران مردم اسلام را کنار گذاشته اند
حرفی بس گزاف است
حتی بسیاری از ان عده که با رژیم مخالف هستند اسلام را قبول دارند
و اندسته که نه رژیم را قبول دارند و نه اسلام باز می دانند که اسلام در ایران فعلا حرف اول را می زند
والا دو سال پیش برای سرنگونی رژیم نمی رفتند پارچه سبز ببندند و الله و اکبر سر دهند و وا اسلاما شعارشان باشد
و رهبرشان عکس ایت الله خمینی را روی میز قاب کند
ارزیابی شما در مورد ایران غلط است. فواره خیلی وقته که به اوجش رسیده بوده و در ایران برخلاف کشورهای دیگر خاورمیانه در حال نزول است. اوج آن سالهای اول جنگ ایران و عراق بود.
چون دینداری در کشورهای سکولار فاسد منطقه یه جوری مبارزه با ظلم و فساد هم محسوب میشه. اما در ایران درست بالعکسه و دین نداری یه جور سمبل مبارزه با فساد دولتی است تا دینداری.
جناب
این حرف شما منطقی نیست البته بسیاری هستند که بقول شما به این شکل مبارزه میکنند
ولی این رژیم به اصطلاح دم از دین میزند اگر اکثریت با دین مخالف بودند می بایستی تا کنون رژیم از بین رفته باشد
به نظر من جریان برعکس انچه شما می فرمایید است
یعنی رژیم با تکیه بر اکثریت مسلمان تا الان سرجایش مانده
و در طی این سی و دو سال هم یک بار یک عده بلند شدند و انها هم با اسم اسلام بر پا خواستند و باز با الله اکبر به مبارزه با رژیم پرداختند
این نشان دهنده ان است که اسلام در اقشار مختلف در ایران از قدرت والایی برخوردار است
شما خودتان را فریب می دهید
اگر این رژیم با فریب و نیرنگ خودش را به اسلام و مسلمانی نمی چسباند تا حالا سرنگون شده بود
بله جانم
این حرف شما منطقی نیست البته بسیاری هستند که بقول شما به این شکل مبارزه میکنند
ولی این رژیم به اصطلاح دم از دین میزند اگر اکثریت با دین مخالف بودند می بایستی تا کنون رژیم از بین رفته باشد
به نظر من جریان برعکس انچه شما می فرمایید است
یعنی رژیم با تکیه بر اکثریت مسلمان تا الان سرجایش مانده
و در طی این سی و دو سال هم یک بار یک عده بلند شدند و انها هم با اسم اسلام بر پا خواستند و باز با الله اکبر به مبارزه با رژیم پرداختند
این نشان دهنده ان است که اسلام در اقشار مختلف در ایران از قدرت والایی برخوردار است
شما خودتان را فریب می دهید
اگر این رژیم با فریب و نیرنگ خودش را به اسلام و مسلمانی نمی چسباند تا حالا سرنگون شده بود
بله جانم
Masoud jaan. I was not just pointing to the problem. I was offering the solution also. Education and religious reform are not mutually exclusive. As people become more educated, religion plays a lesser role in their lives and is pushed to the background. In order for that religion to survie it would need to STAY RELEVANT to people's lives. The only way it could stay relevant is to reform, either through loosening some of its tougher rules and regulations or introducing new themes to appeal to the masses. This type of reform is easier to achieve (and much more effective), than for a person, or group of people (that are non followers) to determine from now on this rule should change, or that rule should be abolished etc. You must not forget the ta'assob that comes with every religion especially Islam. You mix this ta'assob with lack of education and wealth and this is why such a savage religion has been able to flourish for such a long time! Because the subjects have nothing to lose (and 72 virgins to gain if they die for their cause). You can't talk sense and reason with a guy who is smacking his own head as hard as he possibly can whilst yelling "allaho akbar allaho akbar", because quite frankly, he's already made up his mind!
Reza shah attempted to introduce secularism in his day but he failed because less than 40% of the population was educated at the time (literacy levels). Today, even with the most despotic regime in the middle east, Iranians are the most progressive in the region and surely Iran's 90% literacy rate has something to do with it. My opinion is today, the Islamic Republic regime not withstanding, it would be alot easier to introduce secularism in Iran than in any other time in history. Which brings us to the second big key in reform: The separation of church and state. No reform is possible when the leaders and powerbrokers of the religion are running the state also. What is the incentive for reform? none! Without addressing the separation of powers issue, any reform you wish to achieve is actually aimed at reforming the powerbrokers and leaders and not the religion itself. Theoretically, this is possible but sadly we have witnessed it doesn't work in practice as 8 years of Khatami's presidency would attest.
So my take on how to reform islam is to educate the populace and separate religion from government (and policies).
Reza shah attempted to introduce secularism in his day but he failed because less than 40% of the population was educated at the time (literacy levels). Today, even with the most despotic regime in the middle east, Iranians are the most progressive in the region and surely Iran's 90% literacy rate has something to do with it. My opinion is today, the Islamic Republic regime not withstanding, it would be alot easier to introduce secularism in Iran than in any other time in history. Which brings us to the second big key in reform: The separation of church and state. No reform is possible when the leaders and powerbrokers of the religion are running the state also. What is the incentive for reform? none! Without addressing the separation of powers issue, any reform you wish to achieve is actually aimed at reforming the powerbrokers and leaders and not the religion itself. Theoretically, this is possible but sadly we have witnessed it doesn't work in practice as 8 years of Khatami's presidency would attest.
So my take on how to reform islam is to educate the populace and separate religion from government (and policies).
Lets be realistic, "islamic Renaissance" ????????? those two words can't be used together or if you do, you are just kidding yourself. Listen to this SOB, what he is saying is "islam naab mohammadi" !!! Everything he says or claims is from the book (as you can see) ! What this SOB says is happening in all arab nations, islumic nations and Iran today ! wake up and smell the coffee !
islamic Renaissance is impossible !
http://youtu.be/5b-Pjo9XgGw
islamic Renaissance is impossible !
http://youtu.be/5b-Pjo9XgGw
Deeshab khaab didam yeh mojoodaati az fazzaa amadand va somehow yek ghodrati be man dadand ke shekast napazeer shodam va mitoonestam harchi ro khastam az beyn bebaram , heyf ke zood az khab paa shodam vagernah baad az inke donya ro az chang mofsedin o zoorgoohaa khalaas kardam mikhastam ghaanooni bezaram ke hamme niyayesh va doa shoon ro be taraf e gholleh Damavand bekonand.
Whenever a child is uneasy, this has to be done: a false breast has to be given. He sucks, believing that he is getting nutrition. He goes on sucking, and then sucking becomes a montonous process; nothing is moving in, just sucking and it becomes like a mantra. Then he falls into sleep; bored feeling sleepy, he goes to sleep.
Islam, Budhisim, Christianity, Hinduism, and all other "ism" which have becomes established religions, are just false breasts. They give you consolation. They give you a good sleep, they allow a sooting existence in this torturing slavery all around; they give you a feeling that everything is okay, nothing is wrong. They are like drugs.
It is not only LSD that is drug, but the "ism", a far more complex and subtle drug which gives you sort of blindness. You cannot see what is happening and how you are wasting your life, you cannot see the disease that you have accumulated. You are sitting on a volcano and they go saying everything is all right. And the clerick tells you "You need not be disturbed, leave everything in our hands and we will take care of you in this world and others".
Islam, Budhisim, Christianity, Hinduism, and all other "ism" which have becomes established religions, are just false breasts. They give you consolation. They give you a good sleep, they allow a sooting existence in this torturing slavery all around; they give you a feeling that everything is okay, nothing is wrong. They are like drugs.
It is not only LSD that is drug, but the "ism", a far more complex and subtle drug which gives you sort of blindness. You cannot see what is happening and how you are wasting your life, you cannot see the disease that you have accumulated. You are sitting on a volcano and they go saying everything is all right. And the clerick tells you "You need not be disturbed, leave everything in our hands and we will take care of you in this world and others".
masoud jaan, I think you have asked some good questions here, but in my opinion a religion, if it comes from God, does not belong to its followers to be reformed. He who sent the religion in the first place will reform and update it when necessary, don't you think? Perhaps it is the followers, in this case the Muslims, who need to be reformed to think for themselves and not be influenced by the clergy so much. For instance, we cannot ask users of windows to update it, rather it is Microsoft which updates it and then people will decide to use it or not. One who does not use the latest version of Microsoft's software cannot complain about the limitations of older versions when there have been new versions available more suited for use in this day. Those "limitations", as you have listed, may have already been addressed if we were to try the "latest" version perhaps!
Meehandoost jon...are all religions not from god..? or in my line of thinking..all religions are made by men who in turn are part of what make up god...
So..in this case..Islam in ur opinion needs no reformation.? Issues such as inequality of men & Women in terms of legal/ civic rights..and more importantly the fact Islam and indeed all religions seperate their followers from others and claim they are the only true believers and the only ones who will receive salvation..?..do u mean we can only hope a much higher power " GOD " will fix these.? or u think there is no need for fixing and we just have misundrestood the devine words..?
So..in this case..Islam in ur opinion needs no reformation.? Issues such as inequality of men & Women in terms of legal/ civic rights..and more importantly the fact Islam and indeed all religions seperate their followers from others and claim they are the only true believers and the only ones who will receive salvation..?..do u mean we can only hope a much higher power " GOD " will fix these.? or u think there is no need for fixing and we just have misundrestood the devine words..?