Occupy Wall Street

[Natural]

Some want Taghari to break....



Most of you guys are too young to know - but in the early days of revolution in Iran the operative word was "Mosadereh"........take money from the rich and distribute it amongst the needy!! what a nobel concept...except akhoonds created a bonyad for the needy.....and the needy became needier.....

an idiot is someone who doesn't think before he opens his mouth.

by the definition you described above, then most of western Europe now have to be in real bad shape just like Iran, as beligium has marginal tax rate that goes as high as 54% germany 45%, denmark 44%, italy 43%, france 40%....

try to hold more than 1 thought in your head at the same time. the Iran situation with "mosaderat" has NOTHING to do with what we're talking about here. one is political oppression and dictatorship, the other closing down the gap between the rich and the poor moderately, through good policies that can benefit the majority because the less gap between the rich and poor is the only way to advance economic growth and properly sustaining it.

The stimulus package helped the US avoid a recession, but it didn't jump start the economy mainly due to sky-high income inequality. Median wages grew too little over the past years to drive the kind of spending necessary to sustain the consumer economy. Instead, exotic forms of credit filled the existing gap, as the wealthy offered the middle class credit card deals and subprime loans and mortgages. This allowed rich investors to keep making money and everyone else to feel like they were keeping up, until the whole system imploded in 2008... and guess who bailed out the rich after they fucked it all up?


The more I talk to you, the more I realize how ignorance is the cause of all evil. and I'll forever be thankful to you for that. I will try my hardest to raise my future kids to be the exact opposite of you.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

For the virtual occupiers of WS posting here , what is it that you want and how exactly do you propose we get it? In other words what is your specific solution?

Accountability!

To suggest that we’re the “virtual occupiers of the WS” and that we should necessarily have a solution for any complaint shows a particular cynicism that suggests you already know what the answer is, and therefore, are only asking to put it down!

Still, perhaps this article might be of some help:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/politics/occupy-wall-street/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

[lordofmordor]

Fole, what is your suggestion to fight the lobbying and the very wealthy that control the government? Is without force meaning voting for one of the 2 candidates that the controllers through lobbying put in place? Is it to do it through the media that is controlled by the same group. Is it protesting and not even being picked up by the media as they serve the wealthy in power?

Obviously, they have tried doing it peacefully for decades and it did not work.

Now, if you are suggesting these college students, accept that their future should be working in Mcdonalds and that is what college degree will get them, just like the educated in Iran do, then you are right. They should sit home and once in a while go and vote for the candidates put forth by the wealthy.

So, I am lost as what options you think the people of America have in regards to jobs, education, health insurance, etc.. And why you think it is okay for people of Iran to demonstrate to get their rights and not the people of America.

I think people need to start thinking beyond their own pockets. Just because they are doing well, does not mean the others that dont have jobs nor health insurance are doing well too. And then put them down, try to crush, or make fun of the ones that try to protest and make their voice heard.

I wouldn't bet on it. In fact it is an excellent bet that this protest if not already will very soon loose its actual mission and become some zealous religious mission for someone else's interests that will actually hurt the interests of those protesting. Just ask the people protesting "exactly what is wrong and why?" and you will find out that very few have a clue, except for knowing something somewhere is wrong, then going on some incoherent, contradictory rambling of all the things that they are unhappy about in life.

In a democratic society very little is done by force. Instead, all you need is an alliance between clueless do-gooders, and intelligent interest groups who will take advantage of the ignorance of the do-gooders.

Knowing and submitting to reality is very difficult work because it requires out-most self denial, discipline, and persistence. Few believe in it strong enough to be willing to do such work.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Here’s an interview where a protester hands Fixed News their ass and they don’t have the ba**s – or integrity -- to air, but was caught by a bystander nevertheless.

So much for them, “hippy,” kumbaya-my-lord crowd, eh?! Not so extreme, is it?

[video=youtube_share;TCW-ZIPrBYY]http://youtu.be/TCW-ZIPrBYY[/video]

 

[Natural]

2.13pm: The Communication Workers of America, the largest communications and media union in the US, has come out in support of Occupy Wall Street.

CWA has 700,000 members in total, and members will be at the march to New York tomorrow and demonstrations at Freedom Plaza in Washington, which begin on 6 October.

"CWA members will join the demonstrations to focus public attention on the impact of Wall Street's greed on ordinary Americans," the union said in a statement.

It continued:

The 700,000 members of the Communications Workers of America strongly support the Occupy Wall Street Movement. It is an appropriate expression of anger for all Americans, but especially for those who have been left behind by Wall Street. We support the activists' non-violent efforts to seek a more equitable and democratic society based on citizenship, not corporate greed.

The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations are spreading throughout the country. We will support them and encourage all CWA Locals to participate in the growth of this protest movement.

 

[Fole_Penalt]

Accountability!

To suggest that we’re the “virtual occupiers of the WS” and that we should necessarily have a solution for any complaint shows a particular cynicism that suggests you already know what the answer is, and therefore, are only asking to put it down!

Still, perhaps this article might be of some help:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/politics/occupy-wall-street/index.html?iref=allsearch

Pahlevoon jaan, that was just a lighthearted comment. The cynicism is yours on this account.

It is not sufficient to just have a complaint? You must have a solution for something better. If you do not, as I pointed out earlier, you will be taken advantage by people for ends that are not just unrelated to your complaint but are often to the detriment of your interest in the very complaint you have. Time and again, when a politician wants to get elected to do what he wants to do, he repeats and appeals to the complaints people have. How many times are you going to fall for the same thing. It is all about what solution you have for something better.

I absolutely believe the US financial industry has been receiving government welfare in the form of laws and regulations that give it windfall profits. The situation has gotten much worse since the late 90s and accelerated under Bush. This is greatly damaging the interests of Americans. The damage is even greater than that inflicted by the military industrial complex. The only other special interest group that rivals the damage the financial sector is inflicting on the US is the healthcare providers and industry (insurance, pharma, and dentists, doctors, nurses, pharmacist, trial lawyers unions.) I am delighted that people are taking some action. I am not however optimistic about the outcome without a better alternative solution.

The real question is how are you going to change, what are you going to change?

You say it is about accountability, ok, what exactly do you have in mind? In what way people in the financial industry are less accountable and what needs to change?

 

[Fole_Penalt]

Fole, what is your suggestion to fight the lobbying and the very wealthy that control the government? Is without force meaning voting for one of the 2 candidates that the controllers through lobbying put in place? Is it to do it through the media that is controlled by the same group. Is it protesting and not even being picked up by the media as they serve the wealthy in power?

Obviously, they have tried doing it peacefully for decades and it did not work.

Now, if you are suggesting these college students, accept that their future should be working in Mcdonalds and that is what college degree will get them, just like the educated in Iran do, then you are right. They should sit home and once in a while go and vote for the candidates put forth by the wealthy.

So, I am lost as what options you think the people of America have in regards to jobs, education, health insurance, etc.. And why you think it is okay for people of Iran to demonstrate to get their rights and not the people of America.

I think people need to start thinking beyond their own pockets. Just because they are doing well, does not mean the others that dont have jobs nor health insurance are doing well too. And then put them down, try to crush, or make fun of the ones that try to protest and make their voice heard.

You are just listing complaints and not following my simple post. I absolutely believe in Thomas Jefferson's wisdom in saying that the tree of freedom needs to be watered with blood from time to time. So it is not like I am against demonstrations. Hell if they were even more forceful it would be better. But, the question is, what exactly do you have in mind for a better alternative to your complaint?

 

[masoudA]

Natural - keep reading.......too bad your job requires you to read and respond to what you consider ignorance!!
BTW - how come nobody is paying you to cover these events? Is Soros Inc., pulling out of you!!!?

Others Revolutionaries!!
In case you have not noticed.....these events which I do consider very important is getting virtualy ZERO press here in America. I followed some of the most important news sources including (CBS, NBC, and ABC nightly news).....NOTHING!! Why?
Meanwhile, Conservatives airways (Limbaugh, Beck, Levin,.....) was all about these rallies!!!.....why?
You will not find any answers .......except, The so called Liberal News Media in America these days is a Joke - It is the Editors who make the news, not the actual events!!
The Sad state of Media in America is BTW one of the main concerns of the Tea Party.

Shoma beravid va bargh ra majani konid.

 

[Natural]

Check out the photos:

http://www.streetartutopia.com/?p=4334

 

[Kaz]

I tend to think these guys are on the right track but they have their demands/aims ass backwards and could dig themselves/USA even deeper into their hole.

The reality is the govt/country is essentially bankrupt. If their socialistic tendencies could even be realized they'd later bankrupt the country anyway.

There is far more to the current situation and besides Wall St there is somewhere else they should be occupying - Washington D.C..

 

[Motori]

My friend,

I can’t claim to be speaking for anyone in that movement. But, this is what many people had hoped would be the Tea Party movement at its inception. We’ve all seen what that movement turned into. The point of these demonstrations (it’s now grown to other cities) isn’t to turn the world into the second coming of hippies so that we can all sit around camp fires singing Kumbaya-My-Lord. The point is that there are many different types of people, with different issues and problems, and with different demands, but all pretty much at the end of their ropes. Many of them would like to use a Bulldozer. But, in reality, even if these people were able to get the establishment to move an inch, they have achieved more than the Democrats, the tea party, and Republicans combined.

P.N jAn,
Don't get me wrong my friend, I'm among those people who take the daily pain of running a biz and feeling I'm nothing but a slave, actually I feel I'm worse than those slaves who worked in plantations, their masters made sure they will remain in good health so they could provide more labor, I'm on my own while paying close to 60% of my company's revenue to various gov. and financial institutions.
For above reasons and condition of entire world as we see today I strongly believe and have mentioned it in this board many times that we will have and see a better world if the below institutions could be entirely abolished:
IMF
Wall Street
Federal Reserve
All privately owned Central Banks around the world
Bildeberg Group
Council on Foreign Relation
Trilateral Commission

I have no problem with people who had enough, I have too, but seeing their 13 incoherent and goat dropping demands in their website was enough for me to stay away from insanity.
I mean look at the demand #3 "Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment", in that case why should I go to college, learn a trade or even work? I can simply stay home and receive "living wage" (note it does not say minimum wage) from some one, who ever that might be.

 

[Natural]

Occupy Washington starts tomo I think.

 

[masoudA]

So Natural Tell me - why isn't the Media covering this? You are clueless, so let me tell you.
Because the Liberal News Media (including your beloved CNN) is a big part of the problem.
You are too ignorant to understand - but majority of conservatives are against those who steal wealth of this country.....unlike you and the folks whose pictures you posted, we know the real theives are taking a 4-year vacation with the trillions of Dollars they recieved from Bush and Obama.....You want to see the thives, they are not in Wall Street, they are vacationing in Wales, and Scottland.....and won't come back until 2012 when THEY THINK things are going to go back to what THEY THINK is Normal. Your little gatterings is what they consider Venting off social Anger....it is the process in which the "Establishment" which includes your beloved Obama, demonstrates there is a democracy here in USA, but don't want to overly-advertise it because it may engulf into something more serious....... Yes my dear uninformed and inexperienced Natural - they plan to go back to what they consider Normal in 2012.....and they are shoving Mitch Romney forward as the next president...... Check out all the polls and reports on the Liberal News Media - they are all directly and indirectly pushing for Romney....and many people even on my side are falling for it.
Yet......... the only thing standing in their way is the Tea Party.

 

[Kaz]

Great vid: [video=youtube_share;uZmPWcLQ1Mk]http://youtu.be/uZmPWcLQ1Mk[/video]

Really Natural? Didn't know. Been on holiday just reading this stuff now.

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

Pahlevoon jaan, that was just a lighthearted comment. The cynicism is yours on this account.

It is not sufficient to just have a complaint? You must have a solution for something better. If you do not, as I pointed out earlier, you will be taken advantage by people for ends that are not just unrelated to your complaint but are often to the detriment of your interest in the very complaint you have. Time and again, when a politician wants to get elected to do what he wants to do, he repeats and appeals to the complaints people have. How many times are you going to fall for the same thing. It is all about what solution you have for something better.

I absolutely believe the US financial industry has been receiving government welfare in the form of laws and regulations that give it windfall profits. The situation has gotten much worse since the late 90s and accelerated under Bush. This is greatly damaging the interests of Americans. The damage is even greater than that inflicted by the military industrial complex. The only other special interest group that rivals the damage the financial sector is inflicting on the US is the healthcare providers and industry (insurance, pharma, and dentists, doctors, nurses, pharmacist, trial lawyers unions.) I am delighted that people are taking some action. I am not however optimistic about the outcome without a better alternative solution.

The real question is how are you going to change, what are you going to change?

You say it is about accountability, ok, what exactly do you have in mind? In what way people in the financial industry are less accountable and what needs to change?

Merriam-Webster.com defines a cynic as one who is a “faultfinding, captious critic.” Certainly, in the way you approached this whole thread – by first declaring that the movement “if not already will very soon loose its actual mission and become some zealous religious mission for someone else's interests that will actually hurt the interests of those protesting” and then turning sarcastically denigrating by suggesting that those supporting the protests were “virtual occupiers of WS.” Both of these are direct quotes form your two previous posts.

Regardless of who’s espousing cynicism, let’s be clear about one thing. As should be obvious, I am neither an organizer nor a participant in these protests. What I am is a supporter. Now, I can tell you the “why” of my support, but it will most certainly not be the only thing on the minds of the folks gathering in New York (and now, Boston, and Los Angeles, and Chicago, and San Francisco, and…)

Much like many of the people gathered in WS, I have a laundry list of complaints.

One is to which you’ve already alluded: the coddling of the bankers by the laws of these United States. And, this is not limited to just the bankers, but rather to the entire spectrum of very wealthy in this country. What to do about it, you ask? If up to me, I’d bring back the tax rates of, not the Clinton era, but that of Reagan! Those astute (and old) enough, remember that Reagan’s tax changes of the eighties actually RAISED taxes on the richest folks. This was later dropped during Clinton and then again during Bush Jr.

Another thing I would do would be to bring back the Glass-Steagle act of 1932 that was actually repealed at the end of Clinton presidency. That one act alone could have – indeed would have – saved pretty much the entire globe from the disaster we’re now facing.

One more action I would greatly support would be to put an immediate end to Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns, along with all the sordid, corrupt no-bid contracts and thievery, courtesy of our tax dollars.

Now, that is my laundry list. Whereas I’m sure these are included in the list of demands of those actually on the ground, I’m also positive that other demands might include sitting around campfires and smoking weed or singing “we are the world.”

As the history of these very same United States shows, there’s always change when there’s a spontaneous movement that is not hoarded by some ideologue over another. As our own Iranian history shows, I agree with you that the opposite is also possible where some religious, right-wing nutcase takes over the movement. However, based on the fact that history is on the side of Americans (as evidenced by the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960’s) as well as the fact that we already have enough religious loony groups operating in this country (as in the Tea Party), I prefer to see this as positive event rather than denigrate it and therefore, perhaps unintentionally, give credence to those who wish things to remain the same, or worse, become one nation under Tea Bags!

 

[Natural]

So Natural Tell me - why isn't the Media covering this? You are clueless, so let me tell you.
Because the Liberal News Media (including your beloved CNN) is a big part of the problem.
You are too ignorant to understand - but majority of conservatives are against those who steal wealth of this country.....unlike you and the folks whose pictures you posted, we know the real theives are taking a 4-year vacation with the trillions of Dollars they recieved from Bush and Obama.....You want to see the thives, they are not in Wall Street, they are vacationing in Wales, and Scottland.....and won't come back until 2012 when THEY THINK things are going to go back to what THEY THINK is Normal. Your little gatterings is what they consider Venting off social Anger....it is the process in which the "Establishment" which includes your beloved Obama, demonstrates there is a democracy here in USA, but don't want to overly-advertise it because it may engulf into something more serious....... Yes my dear uninformed and inexperienced Natural - they plan to go back to what they consider Normal in 2012.....and they are shoving Mitch Romney forward as the next president...... Check out all the polls and reports on the Liberal News Media - they are all directly and indirectly pushing for Romney....and many people even on my side are falling for it.
Yet......... the only thing standing in their way is the Tea Party.

another crazy paranoid rant. you taking your medicine lately bro?

by the way, check out what the koch brothers, the ppl behind your beloved tea party, are doing behind close doors.. what is your opinion on that dae jaan?

http://forums.iransportspress.com/s...ind-the-Tea-Party-made-secret-deals-with-Iran

you've been awfully quite on that thread

P.S you're still mad at me for those photos from last year? awww!!

 

[Natural]

by the way, this liberal media that you mention here has covered the tea party WAY MORE thoroughly than they are covering Occupy Wall Street.
Your beloved CNN even had a Tea Party Republican Debate ...

dude why are you always wrong? lol

 

[Pahlevoon Nayeb]

P.N jAn,
Don't get me wrong my friend, I'm among those people who take the daily pain of running a biz and feeling I'm nothing but a slave, actually I feel I'm worse than those slaves who worked in plantations, their masters made sure they will remain in good health so they could provide more labor, I'm on my own while paying close to 60% of my company's revenue to various gov. and financial institutions.
For above reasons and condition of entire world as we see today I strongly believe and have mentioned it in this board many times that we will have and see a better world if the below institutions could be entirely abolished:
IMF
Wall Street
Federal Reserve
All privately owned Central Banks around the world
Bildeberg Group
Council on Foreign Relation
Trilateral Commission

I have no problem with people who had enough, I have too, but seeing their 13 incoherent and goat dropping demands in their website was enough for me to stay away from insanity.
I mean look at the demand #3 "Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment", in that case why should I go to college, learn a trade or even work? I can simply stay home and receive "living wage" (note it does not say minimum wage) from some one, who ever that might be.

Motori jon,

If in fact the main demands of the WS protesters were what you printed, I would too snicker and move along. But, much like any other spontaneous movement, this is a conflagration of many groups from all sides of the social and political spectrum. For now, we’ll see crazy demands like these published, but, in my humble opinion, if these people could move the entrenched, corrupt establishment even one inch, the rational among them at least, would be more than victorious!

By the way, I am for the abolishment of all you mentioned as well!

I posted this before, but a more articulate version of who the protestors are and what their demands are, I think, can be formed from this clip:

[video=youtube_share;pnR2pAnGCNw]http://youtu.be/pnR2pAnGCNw[/video]

 

[masoudA]

Natural - I am not mad at you, neither am I pissed or angry....I just feel sorry for your ilk being played as useful idiots.
I do however have a problem with your lack of morality in deliberately trying to make the tea party look like a bunch of goonies, while at the same time posting clips of this Wall Street ralley as if everone there is a noble philosopher!!!
I don't know ehy but this guy reminds me of you!!

[video=youtube;l3Y9CARUwio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l3Y9CARUwio[/video]

BTW - Here is your boss supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement....no surprise there.....but what is surprising is the fact that he is pulling the rug from under his creature, the no longer needed Obama!!
[video=youtube;NagCvOayWjY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NagCvOayWjY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[Natural]

an article from the evil main stream media CNN:

Like the spokesmen for Arab dictators feigning bewilderment over protesters' demands, mainstream television news reporters finally training their attention on the growing Occupy Wall Street protest movement seem determined to cast it as the random, silly blather of an ungrateful and lazy generation of weirdos. They couldn't be more wrong and, as time will tell, may eventually be forced to accept the inevitability of their own obsolescence.

read on
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/opinion/rushkoff-occupy-wall-street/