ref, on the other topic, forget who ruled when, here is my question:
knowing that pre and post iranians perhaps contributed to the world more than anyone else (except for greeks), from sciences, to arts, to humanity, morality,..from zorostar to Cyrus to avecina and kharazmi and razi and birooni and Rumi,... and knowing that the golden age of islam is essentially the sassanids persian renaissance exported to europe (many of which were azeris), can you name me one major achievement or contribution of Turks other than that in the art of war, empireship and slavery !?
Who ruled is the main thing buddy.
Do you think Achaemenids, Sassanids etc. did all the thigns they did by themselves?
Achaemenid official language wasn't even Persian!
The craftsmen during Achaemenids were mostly Babelions and most of people they ruled were Semites. But yet you credit them for everything Babelions did. But when it comes to Turks they are mere warriors and nothing else????
You go to every corner of this counrty and see the impact of Saljukid era. It is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid a Saljukid era architecture in every city of Iran, despite all destructions followed by Mongols and the 100 years time since then. Even look at your calendar and see Khayyams impact on the whole word and you see behind them a great Sultan who had the vissions and management to do all this and you simply downplay it as just mere ruler or warriors?
Come on man. That is what I am talking about. When it comes to Persians ONE king gets all the credit. When it comes to Arabs or Turks it is all subordinates who did the great job!!!!
and no, no matter how brutal, at no period did iranians systematically enslaved, raped or eliminate other people to the scale that turks have done! not even close!
even culturaly azeris are iranian first - regardless of what they speak. Again I believe they should be able to separate if they elect to do so
Your earlier statement here is because of what you consider historical facts fed to you by Pan Fars and very biased school history books, written by nationalistically infected writers of Iran's 19th and 20th century writers.
I have no power in changing your or others' view as you need to first recognize that and then go and read Western unbiased sources for that and see. It is not just you. Turks of Turkey and Arabs are the same contaminated.
Nationalism was a disease of 19th and 20 century which culminated by fascist movements and almost died down in Europe. But for us Middle Easterners we need a lot of drugs and blood to rid of.
Anyhow, Iranian Azaris are as Iranians as any other Iranian and they are as entitled to be identified by their mother tongue that is Azari Turkish. That is really simple.