Obviously the context and depth from which we're looking at this is very different.
You gotta rise above the obvious to understand the type of argument brought forward by Chinaski. The fact that Islam is detrimental to the progress of those who follow it is completely irrelevant to this discussion. This discussion is about how such a determent is smartly identified, exploited and well quantified into a natural resource (or occurrence) by those who CAN. The US complex is ahead of everyone else in this aspect.
Absolutely agree that "the context and depth from which we're looking at this is very different". You guys are talking as if you've discovered one of the secrets of the universe while stating the obvious and asking everyone else to rise above the obvious! Even an uneducated 14 year old kid in the ME without a computer, TV, newspaper or book carrying a Kalashnikov knows what you said in this post. On the other end of the scale, you think Flint doesn't know this?!
What you said in this post is not a secret my friend, no one is hiding it, no one is debating it and almost everyone knows it! It's the equivalent of saying the earth goes around the sun. But just because it's obvious that the earth goes around the sun, it doesn't mean that obviously the Father in the sky is making it do so . That's exactly the argument you were making earlier, albeit with the brother (and I mean that in more than one way
) on earth.
The main issue I have with you and China and other people that think like you guys, is that you give SO MUCH credit to the Americans and then try to discredit them. If you're going to discredit them, don't give'em so much credit to begin with! It's not rocket science.
There is no question that you could "put back on me" because you first have to understand what i said and you failed to do so or for whatever reason you refuse to understand most simple things.
Dude, someone has to be REALLY REALLY stupid not to understand what you say, 'cause you're one of those guys who will repeat yourself a thousand times if you have to until people understand what you say!
Luckily, I understand everything you say, the 1st time you say it. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it and even if I agree with it, it doesn't mean I agree with your reasons for saying it. Those are all different levels of a discussion. It makes things a lot easier and faster if you don't assume your listener is always stuck in the 1st step (understanding what you say) and they're maybe disagreeing with what you say. Here, let me simplify my issues with your statements in this post line by line so that you can understand what I'm saying...
Islam has been there since 7th century and islamism has been there whenever a moslem became radical about his religion.
Agreed.
What we are witnessing today though, is something beyond all that. There is a world power that is actively involved in radicalizing moslems, actively involved of arming radical moslems, planning couts for them to take over whole countries.
I disagree. The entire history of the region is based on powers that were "actively involved in radicalizing moslems, actively involved of arming radical moslems, [and] planning couts for them to take over whole countries". They were called the Abbasids, Fatimids, Almoravids, Seljukids, Ajuuraan, Adal, Warsangali, Mughals, Safavids and Ottomans!
US admin take his dirty hands off that region and people would have an opportunity to solve their problems.
Sure, as much as it's wishful thinking, it would be great for everyone not from the region to stay the fuck out of it, including the Russians, the Europeans and the Chinese.
Before the US admin started this shit, our region actually could very well take care of their own radicals they were mostly nonfactors, the US Admins help made them become a factor.
Nonfactors?! Radicals were in power and running the region until 100 years ago! How many wars, mass migrations from ethnic cleansing, and genocides took place in the region until 100 years ago? If your definition of a radical is only someone who ties a suicide belt and blows up a dozen people and not someone who orders or carries out persecution or genocide of tens of thousands of people, then we have VERY different definitions of what radical means.
Man bebin aakhe daaram che chizaaye saadei ro hanooz vaasat tozih midam. There is actually nothing more that could be added to this because its pretty clear and shaffaaf vali to ye jooraai tanet mikhaare ke jaryaanaate saadeh ro vaase khodet sakht koni o keshesh bedi.
Sure. I don't like to oversimplify things to the point that you do.
