Are you for a military attack on Iran?

Niloufar

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areh ba babashoon too english harf zadan goftan bezar ma yek zare inja gard o khaak konim baba e ham gofte basheh.

vali khob yek jaaye kaar momkene geer koneh ke i think the british are playing it both ways. so they might fuck up their akhounds by swinging the US way at that last minute.
I hope the later is true..why would they side with Iran still when they are clearly controlled by Russia? Its back to Cold War era it seems..cant wait for Russia backing off, va dasteshuno tu halva bezare!

some disturbing trend published today that may put military strike into reality..:(

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/11/30/us-iran-oil-idUKTRE7AT0LB20111130

Insight: Funds and refiners ponder oil Armageddon, war on Iran

(Reuters) - Oil consuming nations, hedge funds and big oil refineries are quietly preparing for a Doomsday scenario: An attack on Iran that would halt oil supplies from OPEC's second-largest producer.

Most political analysts and oil traders say the probability of military action is low, but they caution the risks of such an event have risen as the West and Israel grow increasingly alarmed by signs that Tehran is building nuclear weapons.

That has Chinese refiners drawing up new contingency plans, hedge funds taking out options on $170 crude, and energy experts scrambling to determine how a disruption in Iran's oil supply -- however remote the possibility -- would impact world markets.

With production of about 3.5 million barrels per day, Iran supplies 2.5 percent of the world's oil.

"I think the market has paid too little attention to the possibility of an attack on Iran. It's still an unlikely event, but more likely than oil traders have been expecting," says Bob McNally, once a White House energy advisor and now head of consultancy Rapidan Group.

Rising tensions were clear this week as Iranian protesters stormed two British diplomatic missions in Tehran in response to sanctions, smashing windows and burning the British flag.

The attacks prompted condemnation from London, Washington and the United Nations. Iran warned of "instability in global security."

While traders in Europe prepare for a possible EU boycott of imports from Iran, mounting evidence elsewhere points to long-odds preparation for an even more severe outcome.

In Beijing, the foreign ministry has asked at least one major Iranian crude oil importer to review its contingency planning in case Iranian shipments stop.

In India, refiners are leafing through an unpublished report produced in March to look at fall-back options in the event of a major disruption.

And the International Energy Agency, the club of industrialized nations founded after the Arab oil embargo that coordinated the release of emergency oil stocks during Libya's civil war, last week circulated to member countries an updated four-page factsheet detailing Iran's oil industry and trade.

The document, not made public but obtained by Reuters, lists the vital statistics of Iran's oil sector, including destinations by country. Two-thirds of its exports are shipped to China, India, Japan and South Korea; a fifth goes to the European Union.

Hedge funds, particularly those with a global macro-economic bias, have taken note, and are buying deep out-of-the-money call options that could pay off big if prices surge, senior market sources at two major banks said.

Open interest in $130 and $150 December 2012 options for U.S. crude oil on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) rose by over 20 percent last week. Interest in the $170 call more than doubled to over 11,000 lots, or 11 million barrels. Still more traded over-the-counter, sources say.

McNally says that oil prices could surge as high as $175 a barrel if the Strait of Hormuz -- conduit for a fifth of the world's oil supply, including all of Iran's exports -- is shut in.

IAEA CITES "CREDIBLE" INFORMATION

This month's speculation of an attack on Iran is the most intense since 2007, when reports showing that Iran had not halted uranium enrichment work fuelled speculation that President George W. Bush could launch some kind of action during his last year in office. Those fears helped fuel a 36 percent rise in oil prices in the second half of the year.

The latest anxiety was set off by the International Atomic Energy Agency's November 8 report citing "credible" information that Iran had worked on designing an atomic bomb. A new round of sanctions followed, including the possibility that Europe could follow the United States in banning imports.

That alone would roil markets, but ultimately would likely just drive discounted crude sales to other consumers like China.

A more alarming -- if more remote -- possibility would be an attack by Israel, which has grown increasingly alarmed by the possibility of a nuclear-armed Iran. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said on November 19 that it was a matter of months, not years, before it would be too late to stop Tehran.

In that context, every tremor has been unnerving for markets. Some experts say an explosion at an Iranian military base earlier in the month was the work of Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency. An unusually large tender by Israel's main electricity supplier to buy distillate fuel raised eyebrows, although it was blamed on a shortage of natural gas imports.

REFINERS BRACE

No country has more reason to be concerned than China, which now gets one-tenth of its crude imports from Iran. Shipments have risen a third this year to 547,000 barrels per day as other countries including Japan reduce their dependence. Sinopec, Asia's top refiner, is the world's largest Iranian crude buyer.

The Foreign Ministry and the National Development and Reform Commission, which effectively oversees the oil sector, have asked companies that import the crude to prepare contingency plans for a major disruption in supply, a source with a state-owned company told Reuters.

The precautionary measure preceded the latest geopolitical angst and is broadly in line with Beijing's growing concern over its dependence on imported energy. Earlier this year it issued a notice for firms to prepare for disruptions from Yemen.

But the focus has sharpened recently, the source said.

"The plan is not particularly for the tension this time, but it seems the government is paying exceptionally great attention to it this time," said the source on condition of anonymity.

In India, which gets 12 percent of its imports from Iran, refiners had a potential preview of coming events when the country's central bank scrapped a clearing house system last December, forcing refiners to scramble to arrange other means of payment in order to keep crude shipments flowing.

That incident -- in addition to the Arab Spring uprising and the Japanese earthquake -- prompted the government to document a brief but broad strategy for handling major disruptions.

The document, which has not been reported in detail, says that India could sustain fuel supplies to the market in the event of an import stoppage for about 30 days thanks to domestic storage, and would turn to unconventional and heavier imported crude as a fall-back.

It also urged the country's state-owned refiners to work on developing domestic storage facilities for major OPEC suppliers, consider hiring supertankers to use as floating storage and to sign term deals to price crude on a delivered basis, a copy of the document seen by Reuters shows.

The government has not tasked refiners with additional preparations this month, industry sources say. And in any event, there's not much they could do.

"If they cut supplies we will be left with no option than to buy from the spot market or from other Middle East suppliers," said a senior official with state-run MRPL, Iran's top India client.

To be sure, there's only so much any refiner can do. The gap left by Iran will trigger a frenzy of buying on the spot market for substitute barrels, likely leading the IEA to release emergency reserves, as it did following the civil war in Libya, or other countries like Saudi Arabia to step into the breach.

"We probably need to do this ASAP but are putting our heads in the sand so far," said one oil trader in Europe.

For refiners like Italy's Eni and Hellenic Petroleum, the most pressing issue is not necessarily an unexpected outage but an import boycott imposed by their government. France has won limited support for such an embargo, but faces resistance from some nations that fear it could inflict more economic damage.

CHEAP PUNTS

Unlike in 2007, there's not yet much evidence that a significant geopolitical risk premium is being factored into prices.

European benchmark Brent crude oil has rallied 4 percent in the past two days, partly due to accelerating discussion of a Europen boycott as well as Tuesday's unrest in Tehran, during which protesters stormed two British diplomatic compounds.

But it is also down 4 percent since the IAEA's November 8 report. Analysts say that it's impossible to extract any Iran-specific pricing from a host of other recently supportive factors, including new hope to end Europe's debt crisis, strong global distillate demand and upbeat U.S. consumer data.

"I don't think there's very much evidence (of an Iran premium)," says Ed Morse, global head of commodities research at Citigroup and a former State Department energy policy adviser.

And he does not see an attack as likely: "I think it's a low probability event. Maybe higher than a year ago, but still low."

But that is not stopping some from looking ahead. Oil prices would likely spike to at least $140 a barrel if Israel attacked Iran, according to the most benign of four scenarios put forward this week by Greg Sharenow, a portfolio manager at bond house PIMCO and a former Goldman Sachs oil trader.

He refused to predict a limit for prices under the most extreme "Doomsday" scenario in which disruptions spread beyond Iran and the Straits of Hormuz is blocked.

With that in mind, hedge funds are buying cheap options in a punt on an extreme outage. For about $1,500 per contract, a buyer can get the right to deliver a December 2012 futures contract at $150 a barrel; even if prices do not rise that high, the value of the options contract could increase tenfold.

The spark of demand for upside price protection this month is an abrupt reversal from most of this year, when the bias was toward puts that would hedge the risk of economic calamity.

"The kind of put skew we were seeing in the last three to six months was remarkable with people preparing for disaster - the Planet of the Apes trade, another massive market crash," says Chris Thorpe, executive director of global energy derivatives at INTL FC Stone.

"Only in the last three or four weeks has there been increased call buying."

Options remain relatively costly compared to earlier in the year, with implied volatility -- a measure of option cost -- of 43 percent above this year's average of just below 35 percent, the CBOE Oil Volatility index shows.

But nonetheless it's clear that for some funds the potential upside of violence in Iran means that interest is increasing.

Says Thorpe: "It's at the back of people's minds."
 

Hooshmand

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Well no body can defend what these hard line students did, I dont know what they can achieve by behaving like that.

But British goverment has just stolen Billions of iranian money.
The British poodles(British goverment) and servants of zionists have placed
sanction on iran and trying to stop Iran from having a peaceful nuclear energy program.
Them and Israel are behind the assasinations of our nuclear scientists.
They regulary threaten Iran.

The controlled zionist media brainwashing people as usual.




Interesting Video:

[video=youtube;pcYPdw-QNBo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcYPdw-QNBo&feature=channel_video_title[/video]
 
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I don't think there is a need for military attack on Iran. This is a government that has far too many enemies within its own population and there is no need for governments to waste their resources (both monitory and military) to make things shake up in Iran. I think we are seeing how easily ammunition dumps, government installations and military/paramilitary sites can catch 'accidental' fire. IRI does not fear the outside world, it is afraid of its own population. If the West musters enough courage to put an all out embargo on Iranian oil, then the days of this regime is numbered. KSA and some other OPEC nations can easily compensate for the meager 3.5 M barrels of oil that Iran produces, with a huge portion of it used for internal consumption.

If the West is smart they would unite on a unilateral embargo of all goods from Iran, which would put enough pressure on both China and Russia to also curb their support. This regime is DEAD if they can not keep up paying their cronies with the bribe and rations that consumes vast amount of their budget. Had it not been for the sudden rise of price of Oil, IRI would have been gone a long time ago. Cut these Mother Fuckers life line and we will see how long they last.
 
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The Basij and Sepah of today are more of a corrupt mafia than an organization run by ideology or religion. Iranian people are ready for change but they will not risk their lives for it and I do not anticipate that to change for a while. We have even had Israel blow things up in Iran and the government is so scared and embarrassed to respond that they categorically deny them from happening.

I actually am starting to think even a few strikes can bring this regime to its knees. These guys are not going to fight, they will grab whatever they have and make a run for it. Of course they put on a show of brutality for the people but that is because they are going against unarmed people. That will not be the case if there were airstrikes. They are very smart to know they can not fight back so they will just run with the money.
 

Zob Ahan

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Well no body can defend what these hard line students did, I dont know what they can achieve by behaving like that.But British goverment has just stolen Billions of iranian money.
The British poodles(British goverment) and servants of zionists have placed
sanction on iran and trying to stop Iran from having a peaceful nuclear energy program.
Them and Israel are behind the assasinations of our nuclear scientists.
They regulary threaten Iran.

The controlled zionist media brainwashing people as usual.




Interesting Video:

[video=youtube;pcYPdw-QNBo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcYPdw-QNBo&feature=channel_video_title[/video]

Well it looks like you are defending it by your post and you calling these thugs students. If they are students Shaboon bu mokh was a professor.
 

Hooshmand

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Well it looks like you are defending it by your post and you calling these thugs students. If they are students Shaboon bu mokh was a professor.
You didnt read my post properly, i never defended them.. and according to Aljazeera and even bbc they were hard line students, but sure there might have been a few basijis among them.
 

Hooshmand

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I don't think there is a need for military attack on Iran. This is a government that has far too many enemies within its own population and there is no need for governments to waste their resources (both monitory and military) to make things shake up in Iran. I think we are seeing how easily ammunition dumps, government installations and military/paramilitary sites can catch 'accidental' fire. IRI does not fear the outside world, it is afraid of its own population. If the West musters enough courage to put an all out embargo on Iranian oil, then the days of this regime is numbered. KSA and some other OPEC nations can easily compensate for the meager 3.5 M barrels of oil that Iran produces, with a huge portion of it used for internal consumption.

If the West is smart they would unite on a unilateral embargo of all goods from Iran, which would put enough pressure on both China and Russia to also curb their support. This regime is DEAD if they can not keep up paying their cronies with the bribe and rations that consumes vast amount of their budget. Had it not been for the sudden rise of price of Oil, IRI would have been gone a long time ago. Cut these Mother Fuckers life line and we will see how long they last.
You should be ashamed of yourself!!
You repeat what Ali Reza Nourizadeh( an israeli agent and puppet of saudi arabia) and Mohsen Sazegara (former member of IRI revoloutionary Guard) say on Voice of America (VOA)... An embargo of iranian oil and iranian goods wouldnt remove IRI goverment straight away and for that period lots of poor iranians will die of hunger..
You want Iran to turn into iraq???
 

Ardesheer

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You didnt read my post properly, i never defended them.. and according to Aljazeera and even bbc they were hard line students, but sure there might have been a few basijis among them.
You don't have to listen to Aljazeera and BBC to tell you who these thugs are. Not a few basijis, all basijis. If some of them happen to be "students" too, they got in because they were basijis. These guys in no way represent Iranian students.
 
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But British goverment has just stolen Billions of iranian money.
Were billions of Iranian money just sitting around and they grabed it and ran away? When was this and how did Brits steal it?

The British poodles(British goverment) and servants of zionists have placed sanction on iran and trying to stop Iran from having a peaceful nuclear energy program.
I doubt it its peacful, other wise why would IRI:
Covertly buy 3 sets of nuclear "Warhead" blue prints, 1 from Abdul Qadir Khan, 1 Chinese CICH-4 warhead alegedly trough PDRK and 1 indirectly from CIA itself.
Why would IRI employ former USSR physisit Vyacheslav Danilenko expert on shock compression design for nuclear weapon detonators/initiators?

T hem and Israel are behind the assasinations of our nuclear scientists.
Fact, source?
Even if they did why wouldn't you hold IRR resonsible for failing to provide a level of security and protection that those invaluable Iranian scientists deserve? I looked at foorage of the car which was blown by magnetic bomb stock on the driver's door it seemed to me those scintists where driving around just like regular Jaa'far AghA on the streets. Is that understandable to you?

They regulary threaten Iran.
Not as much as IRR does, They just added the friendlist nation in the neighborhood Turkey to their target list.

The controlled zionist media brainwashing people as usual.
The same can be said to those who are constantly being brainwashed by IRR controled Islamist media.
 

Hooshmand

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Were billions of Iranian money just sitting around and they grabed it and ran away? When was this and how did Brits steal it?


I doubt it its peacful, other wise why would IRI:
Covertly buy 3 sets of nuclear "Warhead" blue prints, 1 from Abdul Qadir Khan, 1 Chinese CICH-4 warhead alegedly trough PDRK and 1 indirectly from CIA itself.
Why would IRI employ former USSR physisit Vyacheslav Danilenko expert on shock compression design for nuclear weapon detonators/initiators?



Fact, source?
Even if they did why wouldn't you hold IRR resonsible for failing to provide a level of security and protection that those invaluable Iranian scientists deserve? I looked at foorage of the car which was blown by magnetic bomb stock on the driver's door it seemed to me those scintists where driving around just like regular Jaa'far AghA on the streets. Is that understandable to you?

Not as much as IRR does, They just added the friendlist nation in the neighborhood Turkey to their target list.



The same can be said to those who are constantly being brainwashed by IRR controled Islamist media.
You havent backed up anything you said because you are a zionist propagandist i bet if israel strikes iran you would do a jig of joy.
The new head of IAEA Amano is a yes man for America and Israel! but yet to produce an evidence to suggest Iran's nuclear program is anything but peaceful
Iran is a member of NPT Israel is not and have more than 200 nuke bombs, Iran hasnt invaded any neighboring country.. israel do it on a daily basis
Who's the big danger to the world? Who's the only country to use nuclear bomb?? the answer is America which is run by bunch of warmonger gangsters
+ israeli lobby.
Down with enemies of Iran
 

Zob Ahan

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You havent backed up anything you said because you are a zionist propagandist i bet if israel strikes iran you would do a jig of joy.
The new head of IAEA Amano is a yes man for America and Israel! but yet to produce an evidence to suggest Iran's nuclear program is anything but peaceful
Iran is a member of NPT Israel is not and have more than 200 nuke bombs, Iran hasnt invaded any neighboring country.. israel do it on a daily basis
Who's the big danger to the world? Who's the only country to use nuclear bomb?? the answer is America which is run by bunch of warmonger gangsters
+ israeli lobby.
Down with enemies of Iran
LOL and Iran is run by a bunch of peace loving philanthropists. Adamha kolan do dastand ya keh sahyonistand ya haidar gooyan asheghe velayatand. Be nazar miad keh to to dateye doyomi.
 

Hooshmand

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LOL and Iran is run by a bunch of peace loving philanthropists. Adamha kolan do dastand ya keh sahyonistand ya haidar gooyan asheghe velayatand. Be nazar miad keh to to dateye doyomi.
Well i never said anything in favour of IRI and im sure you are a israel loving zion.
Shabbat shalom שבת-שלום ZobAhan
 

shahinc

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Well i never said anything in favour of IRI and im sure you are a israel loving zion.
Shabbat shalom שבת-שלום ZobAhan
Damn, there are so many Israeili agents here Hooshmand jan. All over this board, wearing their yarmulke while defending the Zion !! There is one here which actually has an army in Isreail and wants to invade Iran !! Damn with Zion....
 

Hooshmand

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Damn, there are so many Israeili agents here Hooshmand jan. All over this board, wearing their yarmulke while defending the Zion !! There is one here which actually has an army in Isreail and wants to invade Iran !! Damn with Zion....
hahah very funny!!
 

Ardesheer

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Well i never said anything in favour of IRI and im sure you are a israel loving zion.
Shabbat shalom שבת-שלום ZobAhan
I am sick and tired of you guys who come here out of nowhere and pretend to be the only patriot. Who died and made you the judge? Like many in the past, you make statements along the path of Islamic $hit interests and then say that you are not in favor of them, but are a patriot and a free thinker. You sound like a bigot to me with a Jewish phobia. Interestingly, when Islamic $hit begins to feel the heat, more of you guys end up posting on these Boards. I wonder why.
 

IranZamin

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Since no one likes to give true patriots any credit around here, I'd like to personally congratulate "Hooshmand" for the most ironic handle currently active on ISP. Very creative, sir.:) All we need is a kachal guy calling himself zolfali and we're good to go.

BTW hooshi joon, since you seem to have a knack for accounting, do some investigating and let us know what happened to those other billions recently stolen without the help of England. You don't have to do it now, just ask around next time you're at the embassy to pick up the Sandis shipment.

p.s. man reedam too halghe har chi basiji, hezi, maktabi va kollan har kasi ke to jasoose esraeel hesabeshoon nemikoni. motshakeram.
 

Hooshmand

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I am sick and tired of you guys who come here out of nowhere and pretend to be the only patriot. Who died and made you the judge? Like many in the past, you make statements along the path of Islamic $hit interests and then say that you are not in favor of them, but are a patriot and a free thinker. You sound like a bigot to me with a Jewish phobia. Interestingly, when Islamic $hit begins to feel the heat, more of you guys end up posting on these Boards. I wonder why.

Well i'm a patriot and i'm against a military attack on iran and i'm for a peaceful nuclear program which is iran's right to have.
Frankly anybody who supports any kind of military action on iran is a mozdoor.
I'm also against the israeli Goverment who threaten Iran on a daily basis check out Ehud Barak's recent interview with charlie rose and also
take a look at jpost.com and haaretz.com to see what i mean. Buddy chera khodeto be koocheye ali chap mizani? when did i make an anti jewish
statement?? Quote me!!
 

Hooshmand

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Since no one likes to give true patriots any credit around here, I'd like to personally congratulate "Hooshmand" for the most ironic handle currently active on ISP. Very creative, sir.:) All we need is a kachal guy calling himself zolfali and we're good to go.

BTW hooshi joon, since you seem to have a knack for accounting, do some investigating and let us know what happened to those other billions recently stolen without the help of England. You don't have to do it now, just ask around next time you're at the embassy to pick up the Sandis shipment.

p.s. man reedam too halghe har chi basiji, hezi, maktabi va kollan har kasi ke to jasoose esraeel hesabeshoon nemikoni. motshakeram.
De bitarbiat shodia!!
Az tarze harf zadane maloome ke yek piremarde assabani hasty ke 33 sale iran narafti!!
Man 4 mahe pish Iran boodam, va aksariate mardom nuclear energy peaceful mikhand
va az tahdid haye israel khaste hastand bale az siyasta haye dakhelie hookoomate islami ham narazi hastan shaki nist.
Harfaye zeshte digei zadi ke arzeshe pasokh nadareh.
 

Ardesheer

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Well i'm a patriot and i'm against a military attack on iran and i'm for a peaceful nuclear program which is iran's right to have.
Frankly anybody who supports any kind of military action on iran is a mozdoor.
I'm also against the israeli Goverment who threaten Iran on a daily basis check out Ehud Barak's recent interview with charlie rose and also
take a look at jpost.com and haaretz.com to see what i mean. Buddy chera khodeto be koocheye ali chap mizani? when did i make an anti jewish
statement?? Quote me!!
Are you taking your pointers from AN? Last time I checked, Israel is a Jewish State, and half your posts are against Israel, and you make fun of people with Jewish phrases. All you say above is the position of IRI. Peaceful nuclear program my butt, there is nothing peaceful about IRI and their thugs. When was the last time they did something for Iran. I don't believe for a second that this program is peaceful. A real patriot would want this regime gone that has brought so many disasters to Iran and Iranians. Whether you or anybody here supports or does not support military actions, it does not make any difference. IRI and its supporters are bringing it to Iran.