That's because the US type of Tea Party ultra conservatism is very different to the European conservatism. They just take it too far. I can not agree with free gun ownership and am an advocate of state provision for healthcare. Anyway, US Democrats are more conservative than the UK Conservatives any day.
As regarding Thatcher again, she has been wrongly caricatured by the left while ignoring all the good that came out of her policies. No one argues that some of her policies incurred hardship on many people but the changes were necessary. Any other candidate who won the elections in 79 would have had to change the system. Inflation was 18%, basic income tax was 40% to pay for loss-making industries. Union leaders like Arthur Scargill ran amok, even threatened with violence, and there were strikes and disruptions every other week. They demanded higher wages for loss-making national industries that the tax payer had to subsidise. By 1988 inflation was brought down to 2% and the unions were dismantled.
People say Thatcher divided the nation, but they forget that the country was divided in the 70s anyway. That's why there were so many strikes, demonstrations, etc. When people talk of Thatcher's era, they forget the era just before that.
At the end of the day, she won 3 elections. She won majority votes in all of them which should tell you everything you need to know: the majority of people agreed with the changes she was making.
As for not having any women in the cabinet, it's true. But those who knew her from a young age will tell you that she was extremely competitive and stubborn and she always desired to be "the one". She didn't want just any post in the cabinet. She wanted to be either the Chancellor or the Prime Minister. What she did to rise through the ranks of so many old Tories is nothing short of remarkable. Not many women can control a herd of males and order them about like she did for 11 years.
People say Thatcher divided the nation, but they forget that the country was divided in the 70s anyway. That's why there were so many strikes, demonstrations, etc. When people talk of Thatcher's era, they forget the era just before that.
At the end of the day, she won 3 elections. She won majority votes in all of them which should tell you everything you need to know: the majority of people agreed with the changes she was making.
As for not having any women in the cabinet, it's true. But those who knew her from a young age will tell you that she was extremely competitive and stubborn and she always desired to be "the one". She didn't want just any post in the cabinet. She wanted to be either the Chancellor or the Prime Minister. What she did to rise through the ranks of so many old Tories is nothing short of remarkable. Not many women can control a herd of males and order them about like she did for 11 years.
Really this moron is still trying to make it look as if every one who does not agree with his stupid boundless and lawless kind of neocon capitalism is about to die of hunger. What a clown. As i said i am pretty sure i earn more money than this guy and i studied, attended university and have a degree. Im not the kind of farsh foroosh o baaghaali foroosh like this bunch oonvaght in joojeh oomade mige berid pool dar aarid 
Actually, Bill Maher brought this question up in one his shows, when he was talking about Romney and Republicans a few months back and I found what he said VERY interesting. The answer is actually neither! Most people don't really care to live in mansions or have a yacht in the Caribbean or have servers at their beck and call 24 hours a day - they simply do not want that lifestyle. They just want to have a comfortable peaceful life where they don't worry about where their next mortgage payment comes from or whether they're going to have enough money to pay for their kids college in 10 years or how they're going to support themselves when they retire.
So, as much as you don't support the system that should be centered around the poor (which you always call socialism), many people don't support the system that's completely centered around the super rich - particularly when that comes at the expense of the middle class. And frankly, I don't understand why anyone on ISP would argue on behalf of the super rich, because I don't think any of us fall into that category. The majority of the people here are in the middle class, although some may be toward the lower end and some toward the upper end and regardless of which end of the category we fall in, policies that focus on either end of the poor-rich spectrum always hurt the middle class the most.
So, as much as you don't support the system that should be centered around the poor (which you always call socialism), many people don't support the system that's completely centered around the super rich - particularly when that comes at the expense of the middle class. And frankly, I don't understand why anyone on ISP would argue on behalf of the super rich, because I don't think any of us fall into that category. The majority of the people here are in the middle class, although some may be toward the lower end and some toward the upper end and regardless of which end of the category we fall in, policies that focus on either end of the poor-rich spectrum always hurt the middle class the most.
The only people that Thatcher pleased were the people of South East England - ever since, they've been the privileged. Everywhere else in the UK, she seemed to have scarred. I'm torn whether I appreciate her, or that I despise her. I feel she should have a private funeral service rather than a public one which is set to cost £10m. I've been told by friends that there have been mass-protests organised on Wednesday in London - hoping and praying that they won't turn to riots. Regardless, the Conservative Party know how to make people angry!
So many RIP for Margret Tacher that is incredible. Has any one forgotten she was working with Jimmy Carter when revolution in Iran happened?
I know she had nothing to do with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcM38teBfu8
She calls Mandella a terorist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUy7qwAKwks
I know she had nothing to do with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcM38teBfu8
She calls Mandella a terorist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUy7qwAKwks
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i was a party with a lot of british expats last night.i asked one how he felt about thatcher's death and he replied "how did iraqis feel about saddam's death?".he said she was the reason he left the uk and came over to the states back in the 80s.some older guys were remembering with fondness the young british girls who came over as nannies to the states when she took over the uk as very "friendly" and eager to have fun.
"ding dong the witch is dead" is making to the top of the charts and in england and scotland people are having parties.
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"ding dong the witch is dead" is making to the top of the charts and in england and scotland people are having parties.
[video=youtube_share;_dozWyGMh8o]http://youtu.be/_dozWyGMh8o[/video]
You need to stop socialising with morons like that. I mean, comparing Thatcher to Saddam should tell you their level of intelligence, and probably your own too!
People hate so much that they become the thing they hate. In this case it's also out of complete ignorance. I heard one of these party goers at the weekend, this airheaded bitch who couldn't even speak English properly. Her reason for hating Thatcher was: "she spent like ...a lot of money on the government and capitalism an' stuff...." It cracked me up but also made me realise this is exactly the level of education and intelligence you expect from these people.
People hate so much that they become the thing they hate. In this case it's also out of complete ignorance. I heard one of these party goers at the weekend, this airheaded bitch who couldn't even speak English properly. Her reason for hating Thatcher was: "she spent like ...a lot of money on the government and capitalism an' stuff...." It cracked me up but also made me realise this is exactly the level of education and intelligence you expect from these people.
So he fled Thathcer's Britain to come to Reagan's America? What idiots do you hang out with? And weren't you the one who denied it when I said stop celebrating on the grave of the dead and here you are posting "celebrations" videos all over. Thanks for reminding me why I am not with the commies on anything.
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Oh, and Hassan Kachal liked your post. Another feather in your cap.
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Oh, and Hassan Kachal liked your post. Another feather in your cap.
lol if i had to decide about who is the bigger moron and clown, i am not sure i would take anyone ahead of you. Oonvaght in nokhodi oomadeh dar morede digaroon ghezaavat mikone. bebinam moron, show me one commie here and then we talk about communism. Nemitooni moron, nemitooni chon mokhesho nadaari, kheyli koochiki. These guys you are talking about are not commies, they are moslems. There is no commie hier, if we would go with your fucked up logics every one slightly left of US Neocons is a communist. Naadaan
Because Behrou jan, the above is cognitive dissonance. No person who bases their values on conservative/libertarian economics cares directly for the rich nor is it a system [just] for the rich. It benefits the rich because they tend to be the most economically active, and that kind of system gives them even more incentive to be active. On the other hand, it also benefits anyone who takes upon themselves to show a greater level of responsibility.
I think the problem is something Behrooz touched upon: even though a lot of socialistic programs are based on good intentions or are seen as "no big deal"...they open up a pandora's box creating even more havoc. What becomes a helpful aid is now an expectation and a right. That's where a lot of misplaced anger resides and where a lot of politicians do a good job tapping up for votes.
I think the problem is something Behrooz touched upon: even though a lot of socialistic programs are based on good intentions or are seen as "no big deal"...they open up a pandora's box creating even more havoc. What becomes a helpful aid is now an expectation and a right. That's where a lot of misplaced anger resides and where a lot of politicians do a good job tapping up for votes.
