Iran Navy Moves To International Waters

[Motori]

Guys, Iran has a weak arm forces. Its Navy almost got decimated by a US warship back in teh 80's. It has small crafts speed boats that can cause little to no harms to warships. It has 3 junk diesel submarines, that has constant problem with its A/C and it need to surface on many occasions for repairs. It can't penetrate Persian gulf since it is shalow and it can easily been seen from the air. Iran, has few domestic built misiles on moving platforms that can cause problems to warships if fired in masses, otherwise the US warships have many counter mesasures against such a missiles. Iran has 1 Orion radar plan from the Shah era in which its radoar is now obsolite. They also operation few seaking plans from the Shah era which is about to fall off the sky. They have assigned 6 F-14 tomcats to the naval basis in the south for patrol but they lack black boxes and the sea water causes constant problem for Iran's F-14 since they aer not Marine type F-14. The Iran Navy can be defeated by a dozen of Tomohawk missiles. That is why the Iran Arm Force have adopteded the
Asymmetric warfare which is like in Iraq, to let the enemy in and then attack it with urban gerrilla warfare with a miilion soldier. Otherwise the Iranians have a week and old arm forces.

P.B.W
You are wrong almost in all your assertion about Iranian defense capability.
I said IIN is not a factor doing blue waters operations but when it comes to defending Iranian coastal water, Hormuz and Islands IIN is a formidable threat to any navy assets of the world including US 5th fleet in Persian Gulf.
Iran can assemble a million man mechanized army (may be more) in less than 2 weeks all equipped with domestically produced combat apparatus.
Iranian F-14IR and F-14 interceptors, modified F-5 Tigers, MIG-29s, ground attack SU-24 and SU-25s makes Iranian Air Force one of the most powerful airforces of the region, sure KSA has late model F-15s, F-16s and AWACS but their dependency on foreign support regarding training, armaments and part supplies make them lot weaker than Iranian Air Force.
Just google "Iranian Armed Forces" and read.

 

[Behrooz_C]

Gooz be shaghigheh chekar dare!
Rosevelt-Stalin-Churchill signed a pack that Iran must be under the influence of the western power for 40 years! It did! Than Russia will pick it up after the 40 years!It has. It has nothing to do be crapy islands of the Persian Gulf! We are now under the Soviet spher of influence. Khamenie himself has been educated in Moscow! So here you have it. All these side shows of Islands is to make your mind busy thinking the other way. Russia own us and that is why we don't need a strong army.

By the way, an ex Iran Air pilot told me that in the whole Iran there are no more than 3 qualified Iranian Air Line pilots! 95% of the Air line pilots are Russian merceneries. Co pilots are some iranians. But even the Russian mercenery pilots are quitting on an alarming rates since the Pastaran are canibelizing the Air planes passenger radars and installing them on the Pasdaran military plans. Therefore most Iranian plans are flying with out a radar but on a simple compass. Russia's domestic passenger radars are not compateble on Iranian old western plans. Therefore, most Iranian domestic flights are without radars and now they are flown with Iranian copilots that are not qualified to fly the plan without radars. It is just a matter of time!

These are the worst pieces of baseless rumour I have read in a long time. Typical Iranian bullshit, sorry.
This is new level of nonsense even by your standards mate!

 

[ParanoidBenchwarmer]

P.B.W
You are wrong almost in all your assertion about Iranian defense capability.
I said IIN is not a factor doing blue waters operations but when it comes to defending Iranian coastal water, Hormuz and Islands IIN is a formidable threat to any navy assets of the world including US 5th fleet in Persian Gulf.
Iran can assemble a million man mechanized army (may be more) in less than 2 weeks all equipped with domestically produced combat apparatus.
Iranian F-14IR and F-14 interceptors, modified F-5 Tigers, MIG-29s, ground attack SU-24 and SU-25s makes Iranian Air Force one of the most powerful airforces of the region, sure KSA has late model F-15s, F-16s and AWACS but their dependency on foreign support regarding training, armaments and part supplies make them lot weaker than Iranian Air Force.
Just google "Iranian Armed Forces" and read.

WRONG!!! Please purchase the latest Janes defense Magazine or March issue of the Airforce magazine!
Iran's total number of combat aircraf: 200 mostly from the Shah era and obsolid. Iranian airforce is weak!

 

[ParanoidBenchwarmer]

These are the worst pieces of baseless rumour I have read in a long time. Typical Iranian bullshit, sorry.
This is new level of nonsense even by your standards mate!

Dude, you are clueless and brainwashed like the rest of the 70 million!

 

[Behrooz_C]

Dude, you are clueless and brainwashed like the rest of the 70 million!

LOL.
Just think about what you said about pilots and the contract between Churchil and the Americans and Russians and whoever else.
This kind of baseles bullshit only comes out of Iran.
If you think you are not the one brainwashed just do us a favour and tell us what your source is.
What have you learnt from all your years of living in the West? Is it that you can hear some rumour and sell it on as fact? Or have you learnt that you have to give reason and evidence for your claims?

 

[General Parsaian]

Khamenie himself has been educated in Moscow!.

هر دم از این باغ بری می رسد
تازه تر از تازه تری می رسد
بعد از انگلیسی بودن ایت الله خمینی
و ایرانی بودن عبدالرحمن ابن ملجم
ویهودی بودن محمود احمدی نژاد
و قدمت 50 هزار ساله تاریخی پارس
وووووو
در اینجا خواندم که خامنه ای هم از شاگردان کارل مارکس بوده
:dehati:

 

[oghabealborz]

Dude, you are clueless and brainwashed like the rest of the 70 million!

dude , I am having doubt about your nationality .

Regardless of our political views we can not overlook our strengths and the advances nor should we ignore our faults .

Iranian armed forces is a force to be reckoned with , 8 years of battle against a well equipped and fed army , and bravery of Iranian soldeirs second to none .

Have you ever wonder how an air force which was chopped to pieces by the political storm of early years of revolution managed to operate one of most sophisticated warplanes in the world (arguably the world's best ) keeping it combat ready and win air superiority and make over 150 kills alone in that bloody war ?


The embarrassed Americans never admitted as they advised our foes that Iran would not be even capable of flying her F-4 Phantoms never mind her tomcats !

well the persian cats came out the victor in that bloody imposed war ,history will judge and stories will be written about the influence and valuable service that this warplane had with the Iranian air force ,not only downed more than 155 enemy air crafts but prevented 1000s enemy sorties ,protected 100s of our air crafts from the harm of enemy in the air .

but it was not just the aircraft on its own , 1000s of man hours and tremendous effort to maintain and keep them combat ready together with embargo of parts and with utmost bravery and expertise of the Iranian pilots , imagine all this was over 20 years ago and these things are still flying ! they have been upgraded and the air force has had time to develop and advance herself and her personnel further .

the war with all its tragedy had this blessing , we had to do it on our own and we did that , that was a victory we achieved in the war with bloody sad-dam.

 

[Motori]

WRONG!!! Please purchase the latest Janes defense Magazine or March issue of the Airforce magazine!
Iran's total number of combat aircraf: 200 mostly from the Shah era and obsolid. Iranian airforce is weak!

200 Ha????
I don't need to read Janes or Global Security or even FAS to know about Iranian Air Force state of readiness and combat capabilities my information comes from within.
Just to let you know that in 1991 and at the start of ODS, over 130 Iraqi fighters, bombers and military freighters "FLEW" to Iran and almost all are in combat ready statues. Here is the list of some of the planes:
7 MIG-29
10 Mirage F-1EQ/BQs
15 SU-22
25 SU-24
25 SU-25
7 MIG-23
7 IL-76 Freighters, all loaded with spare parts and support equipment.
Iranian Air Force still has more than 70 F-14 which 60 of them are fully operational, and remaining Tomcats are not hanger queens et al they are being overhauled as we speak and will return to service asap. If you check the last Iranian Army Day parade you'll observe 14 Tomcats flying over Tehran aerospace and they are just from 1st Tactical Air Base.
The Hughes radar which guided the AIM-54C Phoenix missiles is copied , modified, improved and domestically produced by Iranians and there is no shortage of Radars what so ever.
Over 160 F-4 Phantoms of different variants including Wild Weassele are fully operational.
over 200 F-5E Tiger are in service all modified and modernized by Iranians to meet IRIAF requirments.
6 Azarakhsh ground attack fighter/bombers are in air force service, production is on going and goal is delivering over 200 Azarakhsh by the end 2012.
47 MIG-29s , around 25 J-6, J-7 and J-10 and unknown (to me) number of SU-39 Frogfoots are all ready for action.
And I won't bore my friends talking about Hercules, P-3F Orion, IL-76.
As I said Iranian Air Force is a formidable threat to any armed forces in the region including US 5th Fleet in Persian Gulf.

 

[Motori]

I guess you were on that pirate ship, right?

No! He was sitting on the bench.:--wink:

 

[Behrooz_C]

Basically what our friend wants us to believe is that Iran only has 3 commercial airline pilots!!!
This means that they don't train new Iranian pilots which I know for a fact to be untrue.
Two of my relatives are pilots, one became fully qualified I think 3 years ago and now works for IranAir.

PBW:
Are you saying that I know 2 of the 3 Iranian commercial airline pilots?
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Motori]

Basically what our friend wants us to believe is that Iran only has 3 commercial airline pilots!!!
This means that they don't train new Iranian pilots which I know for a fact to be untrue.
Two of my relatives are pilots, one became fully qualified I think 3 years ago and now works for IranAir.

PBW:
Are you saying that I know 2 of the 3 Iranian commercial airline pilots?
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Behrouz jAn,
As you know Iran has been training her own commercial pilots and this goes back to Shah's era.
No matter which school an airline pilot has been trained in, the final "check ride" will be conducted under supervision and observation of an Instructor pilot assigned by IATA (International Air Transport Administration) who is an avid airline pilot himself (most of the time over 10,000 flight hrs under his belt) and never from the same country in which he/she is conducting a Check-Ride. It is after this treturous test flight (Instructor pilot will throw every possible emergency sitution at the student pilot and he/she must pass every single test with flying colors) an airline pilot can be decorated with a Wing (license) even after that same pilot will be flying as Second Officer for around 2000 flying hours (directly depends on his/her performance) before he/she can be called "Captain". After a pilot is awarded with the term "Captain" the training never stops, they continusly train in simulator and every 6 month (?) they must go for another check ride with more experienced instructor pilot and the outcome of test flight must be reported to IATA.
BTW: While a pilot is being test flown there will be no scoring, either you pass or fail.

 

[Behrooz_C]

Rasoul jan thanks for the info. I know that our relative goes for some sort of test to Holland every few month but as he is distant relative I have never had the chance to speak with him.

But PBW's statement that IranAir only has 3 qualified pilots surprised me to say the least. But then again I am brainwashed so what the heck do I know

 

[ParanoidBenchwarmer]

Basically what our friend wants us to believe is that Iran only has 3 commercial airline pilots!!!
This means that they don't train new Iranian pilots which I know for a fact to be untrue.
Two of my relatives are pilots, one became fully qualified I think 3 years ago and now works for IranAir.

PBW:
Are you saying that I know 2 of the 3 Iranian commercial airline pilots?
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

There are no more than 3 QUALIFIED (IATA) iranian pilots in the whole country! Now 'anyone' can fly the plane that does not mean that they are QUALIFIED! Have it checked out! All the qualified pilots have fled Iran and are now flying the Persian Gulf Countries airline since their planes are modern, safe and they get paid a lot of money or they have retired. Iran is under sanction and their passenger planes are not safe to fly. But hey if you want to committ suiside or role the dice have a nice trip on Iran's domestic flight!

 

[ParanoidBenchwarmer]

Behrouz jAn,
As you know Iran has been training her own commercial pilots and this goes back to Shah's era.
No matter which school an airline pilot has been trained in, the final "check ride" will be conducted under supervision and observation of an Instructor pilot assigned by IATA (International Air Transport Administration) who is an avid airline pilot himself (most of the time over 10,000 flight hrs under his belt) and never from the same country in which he/she is conducting a Check-Ride. It is after this treturous test flight (Instructor pilot will throw every possible emergency sitution at the student pilot and he/she must pass every single test with flying colors) an airline pilot can be decorated with a Wing (license) even after that same pilot will be flying as Second Officer for around 2000 flying hours (directly depends on his/her performance) before he/she can be called "Captain". After a pilot is awarded with the term "Captain" the training never stops, they continusly train in simulator and every 6 month (?) they must go for another check ride with more experienced instructor pilot and the outcome of test flight must be reported to IATA.
BTW: While a pilot is being test flown there will be no scoring, either you pass or fail.

Dude! Where do you get all these informations! You are wrong! Just find out how many international flights does Iran Air has?

 

[ParanoidBenchwarmer]

http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/09/bbc-blames-us-for-iranian-air-crashes.html

Happy Birthday!

 

[ParanoidBenchwarmer]

http://www.eturbonews.com/3446/why-are-there-so-many-plane-crashes-iran

 

[Motori]

Dude! Where do you get all these informations! You are wrong! Just find out how many international flights does Iran Air has?

Even if Iran Air had only "1" international flight per year still has to abide by IATA rules and regulation.

 

[Motori]

http://www.eturbonews.com/3446/why-are-there-so-many-plane-crashes-iran

PBW,
Please no refrences from blogspher.
AND!! we are talking about Commercial Air Liners, military aviation is out of the equation.

 

[Meehandoost]

...No matter which school an airline pilot has been trained in, the final "check ride" will be conducted under supervision and observation of an Instructor pilot assigned by IATA (International Air Transport Administration) who is an avid airline pilot himself (most of the time over 10,000 flight hrs under his belt) and never from the same country in which he/she is conducting a Check-Ride. It is after this treturous test flight (Instructor pilot will throw every possible emergency sitution at the student pilot and he/she must pass every single test with flying colors) an airline pilot can be decorated with a Wing (license) even after that same pilot will be flying as Second Officer for around 2000 flying hours (directly depends on his/her performance) before he/she can be called "Captain". After a pilot is awarded with the term "Captain" the training never stops, they continusly train in simulator and every 6 month (?) they must go for another check ride with more experienced instructor pilot and the outcome of test flight must be reported to IATA.
BTW: While a pilot is being test flown there will be no scoring, either you pass or fail.

Motori jaan; While you may be correct about the state of the Iranian Air Force, this account of the process of qualification of pilots may not be entirely true and although there are general guidelines, IATA member states exercise the training and qualification of their pilots with sovereignty.

I'm certainly not privy to detail facts and figures, but in general the status of aviation and especially condition of airports and their facilities is very poor in Iran. In a country that is so vast and relatively rich, only very few airports have adequate navigational capabilities that is taken for granted in the West.

 

[General Parsaian]

There are no more than 3 QUALIFIED (IATA) iranian pilots in the whole country! Now 'anyone' can fly the plane that does not mean that they are QUALIFIED! Have it checked out! All the qualified pilots have fled Iran and are now flying the Persian Gulf Countries airline since their planes are modern, safe and they get paid a lot of money or they have retired. Iran is under sanction and their passenger planes are not safe to fly. But hey if you want to committ suiside or role the dice have a nice trip on Iran's domestic flight!

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