Ukraine War

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Russia is offering India crude at $35 per barrel price of pre-invasion. Heavy discount.

Some background on US & Russia recent history based on well-respected US Russian reporter
This source suggests the break down of USSR back in the day was Yeltsin way of cutting off Gorby and ensued Wolfovitz plan turned into Cheney&Powell in Bush era and removal of Berlin wall.

Per NYT article dated 1998 with expansion of NATO into eastern Europe a new cold war started and called it a mistake but in later years NYT pumped negative reports toward Russia & Putin and Russian reporters have returned the favor toward US, creating a negative and hostile environment in the minds of both sides citizens.

Since 1985 and well into Putin's reign (2007) Russia never broke their pacts with the US but US numerous times has acted against their mutual pact and understanding. This resulted into Yelstin vow that Russia will be back in late 90s.

Putin took over and requested joining NATo (protecting Europe & world against a country no longer existing, USSR). US told him do time brotha.

Putin was also rejected joining EU based on size of Russia! In 2007 Putin announces NATO expansion a threat. He quoted US/NATO had suggested Russia is told the promise of not expanding beyond Germany was given to old Soviet not current Russia. He claimed Russia overly trusted US and was a mistake (Munich speech) .

From the looks of it, Putin played by the book but US disappointed Russia and easily stepped over some agreements between the two meant for peace. All this bloodshed for world control. Reporter suggested pre 2007 was ideal for world peace but US blew it.





Very informative, does appear Uncle Sam farts a lot and often.
 
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GEt ready for the big smash as NATO stationing 40K soldiers on its eastern front and head of EC (diplomacy ? negotiation????) pushes victory on battlefield
NATO also started pushing on China through allies Korea and Australia (a NATO like organization in the region)


What do you mean by "diplomacy and negotiation". Russia didn't consider either when invading Ukraine in the first place.
It's a bit late for that now, isn't it?
 

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Interesting you have no comment or interest when point is raised why Russia wasn't admitted to NATO (Europe protection) or EC per their request within last two decades . After all those bodies are where negotiations take place. So yea when you don't admit or honor other party guess negotiations is off and EC & NATO meant hostility in the first place for the longest time.

You mentioned Uncle Sam farts and others complain, forgot to include their occasional loose, watery and possibly more-frequent bowel movements.
 
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If you think Russia was serious about joining NATO, you also believe IR stands for peace in the middle east. The West, specially many high ranking US officials were in favour of Russia joining the alliance but the Russians expected to be invited with the red carpet rather than apply for it and go through the process like every other country does. The fact that it didn't happen is down to Russia itself. No one else.
 

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^ A quick googling and very first link contradicts what you claim above;

experts believe it could have been real if the West had taken Russia’s membership prospects seriously back in 2000 or the 1990s when Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and Russian Federation’s first President Boris Yeltsin alsolobbiedfor Moscow’s entrance to the alliance. Had it happened, the current Russian onslaught on Ukraine could have been prevented.

“Because they thought that they had won the Cold War and could dictate all the terms as Russia was 'beaten'. They were high on the euphoria of a perceived victory rather than a massive opportunity for peace and security,

“In 1992, Russia and the former USSR countries were offered the opportunity to join NATO's ‘Partnership for Peace’ (PFP), and they all joined, including Russia. We hoped it would be an entry point into NATO and several PFP members joined. Russia even sent a brigade to serve under NATO in Bosnia in 1995. Things looked good in those days,”

But things blew up in the early 2000s as NATO’s eastern expansion plan, excluding Russia, was moving in full force.


and on joining the EC? they said Russia is too big. What's your twisted understanding of that situation? (your simplification of events and analogies , Uncle sam farting and NATO red carpet offering sounds like US media cookie cutter offerings)
 
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We know first hand who spread lies about Shah (amnesty international and BBC and US media reflecting on their reports) . And currently manoto BBC IranIntl, all at it also. It's a collective game and players are too familiar. Sad to say.

There are other players like this ex vet also parade around Ukraine destroyed tanks claiming to be destroyed Russian tank and various other stints at fresh-looking combat zone and raise money online (Twitter etc). First hand hear of a James Vasquez character . https://twitter.com/jmvasquez1974?lang=en

You would hear of him soon.
 

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Some material floating online (havent' personally verified) but am looking at it.

screw-up by the fakers: "Vasquez" has two magazines on his chest. Problem: They are for two different iterations of AKs. Two different calibers. The dark, blued metal one on the left is for an AK-47 (7.62×39mm). The orange (synthetic) magazine is for an AK-74 (5.45x39mm). Those two cartridges are NOT interchangeable. Hence the different colors, materials, textures of the magazines for easy and immediate identification even in the dark. Also, the AK-74 (orange) mag has no rounds in it. Does he carry both AKs?Really..

One more thing: watch their boots. It's black gooey mud everywhere. Yet in more than one of these propaganda vids the boots are nice, CLEAN, and new-looking.One more thing: facial hair. "Vasquez" has a goatee and a mustache. So far, so good... But... The rest of his face is clean-shaven - always. Soldiers on the front lines can and do shave infrequently...Got it yet?

other clues changing accents taping videos for different demographics.

In other videos soldiers appear with fresh clean AK7 on their shoulders asking others (Belarus) to join.
 
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screw-up by the fakers: "Vasquez" has two magazines on his chest. Problem: They are for two different iterations of AKs. Two different calibers. The dark, blued metal one on the left is for an AK-47 (7.62×39mm). The orange (synthetic) magazine is for an AK-74 (5.45x39mm). Those two cartridges are NOT interchangeable. Hence the different colors, materials, textures of the magazines for easy and immediate identification even in the dark. Also, the AK-74 (orange) mag has no rounds in it. Does he carry both AKs?Really..

One more thing: watch their boots. It's black gooey mud everywhere. Yet in more than one of these propaganda vids the boots are nice, CLEAN, and new-looking.One more thing: facial hair. "Vasquez" has a goatee and a mustache. So far, so good... But... The rest of his face is clean-shaven - always. Soldiers on the front lines can and do shave infrequently...Got it yet?

other clues changing accents taping videos for different demographics.

In other videos soldiers appear with fresh clean AK7 on their shoulders asking others (Belarus) to join.
Please reply people so we know who and what you are discussing.
 

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^ A quick googling and very first link contradicts what you claim above;

experts believe it could have been real if the West had taken Russia’s membership prospects seriously back in 2000 or the 1990s when Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and Russian Federation’s first President Boris Yeltsin alsolobbiedfor Moscow’s entrance to the alliance. Had it happened, the current Russian onslaught on Ukraine could have been prevented.

“Because they thought that they had won the Cold War and could dictate all the terms as Russia was 'beaten'. They were high on the euphoria of a perceived victory rather than a massive opportunity for peace and security,

“In 1992, Russia and the former USSR countries were offered the opportunity to join NATO's ‘Partnership for Peace’ (PFP), and they all joined, including Russia. We hoped it would be an entry point into NATO and several PFP members joined. Russia even sent a brigade to serve under NATO in Bosnia in 1995. Things looked good in those days,”

But things blew up in the early 2000s as NATO’s eastern expansion plan, excluding Russia, was moving in full force.

and on joining the EC? they said Russia is too big. What's your twisted understanding of that situation? (your simplification of events and analogies , Uncle sam farting and NATO red carpet offering sounds like US media cookie cutter offerings)
And a quick search finds what I said is absolutely right.

“Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

Also, you are not quoting the entire article from trtworld. The rest of it says the following:

"In 1993, a US State Department document even designated2005 as a deadline for Moscow’s as well as Kiev’s “accession to the bloc,”wrote Simon Saradzhyan, the founding director of the Russia Matters Project at Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
In 1997, NATO and Russia agreed to form the NATO-Russia Founding Act,which defined the ways to work together and to cooperate with each other. They also founded the NATO-Russian Discussion Councilin 2002.
“The mood was very positive in NATO toward Russia, and there was a great hope that Russia could become, if not a member of NATO, at least a partner. But I think Russia decided on its own that it’s not interested (in the membership in the alliance),” Bryza tells TRT World."
 

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^ we can go on and on but fact is prior to Putin, Russia wanted to join and you overlooked the fact that NATO started expanding the same time more or less. Reading that article as whole still gives the impresson that US wasn't upfront. And thats the game once plays deceiving public but acting another (be it US, Russia or else)

We have different impression of the past events , I am not going to change your mind nor take the time to push mine onto you. But all this is not just Uncle Sam sneezing as you incited a few posts before.
 

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^^^ Well, my impression is that Russia expected the red carpet to be rolled out and invited to join NATO, rather than apply the same way as every other country does.
Had Russia joined into NATO there would practically be no other possible hostility. Maybe the influence of military industrial complex is a bigger force in all than we care to know.

But if they wouldn't let them into EC what makes you think they would into NATO. Aside from what they said, look at the trends and the outcome.

Were they going to run a credit check on Russian government? this 'applying' thing is a bit absurd but people have different common sense.

Back during WWII did Soviet " apply" to fight against Nazi forces?
 
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Russia’s flagship Moskva has sunk
Russia’s defence ministry says the missile cruiser Moskva has sunk after an explosion and fire, state media reported.

 
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Pentagon's Kirby has told (Brianna Keilar at CNN) that a claimed sunken Russian ship actually been towed away. Couldn't also verify an explosion by missle or fire at the time.

edit/add Daily Mail paper claims the sunken ship had two nuclear warheads.
 
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Where did the term'military industrial complex'come from?
The phrase was thought to have been "war-based" industrial complex before becoming "military" in later drafts of Eisenhower's speech, a claim passed on only by oral history

These peoplein the west (and sadly their stock holders) definitely are benefiting from the war. When they are benefitting, Oligarch is hurting. (No doubt in some cases they have dealt in the past and mutually made moola. What is a few hundred millions or billions among friends)

some tidbits on fringe of the invasion
cost of upkeep of yachts are 10% value of the yacht annually
Guess Who is Footing The Bill For Impounded Oligarch Yachts - TheStreet

Single Oligarch 50 homes 25 cars seizure by Ukraine
Ukraine seizes 55 homes, 26 cars, and yacht from captured oligarch | Washington Examiner
(fellow considered to be next Putin's puppet in Ukraine)