The right opinion is not always the opinion of one of the two sides involved in the incident. and If we are going to try to judge the issue by bringing up examples, what would you say if this action had been taken by IRI in the Persian gulf against a ship carrying anti-IRI protesters (without trying to compare IRI with Israel - just comparing the actions)?
Deerouz, great point and an excellent example.
Can we justify the actions of the Isralies against the human right protesters on the boat (protesting against horrendous humanitarian conditions in Gaza and lack of freedom) but not the Iranian government against the Iranian protesters (wanting freedom from the fascist regime of IR)?
I am sure there were some trouble makers between the demonstrators in Tehran too, so did that justify what the IR regime did to the protesters?
Can we justify the actions of the Isralies against the human right protesters on the boat (protesting against horrendous humanitarian conditions in Gaza and lack of freedom) but not the Iranian government against the Iranian protesters (wanting freedom from the fascist regime of IR)?
I am sure there were some trouble makers between the demonstrators in Tehran too, so did that justify what the IR regime did to the protesters?
من رای ندادم !!ا
زیرا اگر انطور که اسرائیل می گوید در ابهای اسرائیل بوده اند و به سربازان اسرائیلی حمله کرده اند حق با اسرائیل است
البته اگر به موضوع به صورت مقطعی بنگریم یعنی تنها حوادث این چند ساعت رادر نظر بگیریم
ولی اگر در ابهای بین المللی بوده اند اسرائیل حق نداشته اصلا به کشتی ها وارد شود چه برسد به تیر اندازی و اسرائیل محکوم باید گردد
ولی چون مصدر مستقل و بیطرفی در این میان ندیدم اصلا رای ندادم
بله جانم
زیرا اگر انطور که اسرائیل می گوید در ابهای اسرائیل بوده اند و به سربازان اسرائیلی حمله کرده اند حق با اسرائیل است
البته اگر به موضوع به صورت مقطعی بنگریم یعنی تنها حوادث این چند ساعت رادر نظر بگیریم
ولی اگر در ابهای بین المللی بوده اند اسرائیل حق نداشته اصلا به کشتی ها وارد شود چه برسد به تیر اندازی و اسرائیل محکوم باید گردد
ولی چون مصدر مستقل و بیطرفی در این میان ندیدم اصلا رای ندادم
بله جانم
My vote is a split one.
Legally, in my view, if the operation was done in International waters then Israel did not have the right; for the same reason that I do not give IRI such right.
Morally, it is more complicated. Israel is involved in a war against a mortal enemy and taking such measures, if executed properly, are justifiable to protect its own people.
The strategic view goes back to the "executed properly" argument. I saw even some friends who give the right to Israel to conduct this operation, agree that it did not bring much results for Israel. I personally think it was planned very poorly and became a major propaganda coup for Israel foes.
Legally, in my view, if the operation was done in International waters then Israel did not have the right; for the same reason that I do not give IRI such right.
Morally, it is more complicated. Israel is involved in a war against a mortal enemy and taking such measures, if executed properly, are justifiable to protect its own people.
The strategic view goes back to the "executed properly" argument. I saw even some friends who give the right to Israel to conduct this operation, agree that it did not bring much results for Israel. I personally think it was planned very poorly and became a major propaganda coup for Israel foes.
It is a DISGRACE TO COMPARE IR TO ISRAEL. Israel is a democratic country where it's Citizens enjoy the very basic rights that every nation should have. Israel is under constant attack from Hammas, Islamic jihad and other terrorist groups like Hezbollah in the north. ifthey lash out, they have a real reason.
IR lashes out against it's own people by running them over in broad day light. They Shoot innocent by standadrs. They rape and decaptate their own Citizens. They force Medi-evil laws on there own society....
IR lashes out against it's own people by running them over in broad day light. They Shoot innocent by standadrs. They rape and decaptate their own Citizens. They force Medi-evil laws on there own society....
I have a Palestinian friend who is , almost by definition, anti-Israeli government a million times over. He was telling me that in all fairness I have to admit that medical care and the possibility for education that they receive under the Israeli government is exemplary (I am aware of the hurdles in their access to school, hospital, work etc. because of the wall, among other things; but for that, they have governments like IRI to thank for).
By all means call the recent attack the unbalanced battle between 2 forces, but aid workers my a$$! What humanitarian organization do they belong to? Who provided the ship...?
It is no mystery to anyone anymore as to why IRI, to mention just one example, is pumping millions of dollars in to Palestine every year; that money has not been used to build one clinic or school; IRI just wants to save its own sorry a$$ by creating chaos in the region.
I was once sitting at a table with some Palestinians and they were telling me how wonderful IRI is because of the support they are showing to the Palestinian cause. I asked them:" you know I am a refugee form Iran and an anti-IRI; do I ever dare to say to you people that Israel is a great state because of their opposition to IRI?"
It would be interesting to find out if anywhere there are any Palestinians discussing the beating, arrest, rape, torture and murder of Iranians during the last year (or any year for that matter).
By all means call the recent attack the unbalanced battle between 2 forces, but aid workers my a$$! What humanitarian organization do they belong to? Who provided the ship...?
It is no mystery to anyone anymore as to why IRI, to mention just one example, is pumping millions of dollars in to Palestine every year; that money has not been used to build one clinic or school; IRI just wants to save its own sorry a$$ by creating chaos in the region.
I was once sitting at a table with some Palestinians and they were telling me how wonderful IRI is because of the support they are showing to the Palestinian cause. I asked them:" you know I am a refugee form Iran and an anti-IRI; do I ever dare to say to you people that Israel is a great state because of their opposition to IRI?"
It would be interesting to find out if anywhere there are any Palestinians discussing the beating, arrest, rape, torture and murder of Iranians during the last year (or any year for that matter).
That statement carries as much information as saying "There is zero doubt that there might have been baby dinosaurs on the boats".
What is beyond doubt is that there were three German MPs, one Noble Laureate, and a holocaust survivor on board those ships.
Finally, is your poll asking if the soldiers had the right to do what they did, i.e. open fire in self defence or if the Israeli government had the right to raid the ships in international waters? The answers to those questions are very different.
What is beyond doubt is that there were three German MPs, one Noble Laureate, and a holocaust survivor on board those ships.
Finally, is your poll asking if the soldiers had the right to do what they did, i.e. open fire in self defence or if the Israeli government had the right to raid the ships in international waters? The answers to those questions are very different.